Probabilmente in inverno bastano i vari TRS-FCO come feeders per il gruppo. Da consumatore non sono entusiasta, visto che è meglio avere sempre più scelta... la carenza del TRS-FRA secondo me si è già fatta notare su un biglietto che ho per il ritorno da Natale (ma confrontato con varie date)... i prezzi POS IT per premium economy erano decisamente alti rispetto a quello cui ero abituato.
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Probabilmente in inverno bastano i vari TRS-FCO come feeders per il gruppo. Da consumatore non sono entusiasta, visto che è meglio avere sempre più scelta... la carenza del TRS-FRA secondo me si è già fatta notare su un biglietto che ho per il ritorno da Natale (ma confrontato con varie date)... i prezzi POS IT per premium economy erano decisamente alti rispetto a quello cui ero abituato.
La coperta è corta senza Lufthansa Cityline, gli embraer servono su tante altre rotte in Europa e si taglia ciò che rende meno. Ci sono tante destinazioni storiche che sono state chiuse nel network (non sospese, proprio abbandonate) per utilizzare le macchine su tratte che venivano operate dai CRJ o dai 319 della ex divisione regional.
Concordo, utilizzo spesso TRS come punto di partenza e ho notato che per quest'inverno dovrò volare da VCE proprio per la mancanza del volo di AirDolomiti. Peccato...
Aereo arrivato tardi sul mercato ma leggendario comunque. Sono felice di averlo usato almeno una volta, ma con IB nel 2015, appena rinnovati e dismessi credo dopo non molto.Lufhansa dice addio all' A340-600 oggi l'ultimo volo in arrivo a FRA, ci sarà una cerimonia di addio. Ci ho volato molte come pax era un bell' aereo per la sua epoca, si viaggiava abbastanza comodi anche in economy, ricordo in particolare la posizione dei bagni situati tutti insieme al piano inferiore.
Lufthansa : oggi ultimo atterraggio per l’A340-600
Tra poco meno di mezz’ora a Francoforte avverrà l’arrivo dell’ultimo volo operato da un Airbus 340-600 Lufthansa. Si tratta della LH419 con il velivolo connle marche D-AIHW partit…italiavola.com
Purtroppo vero... dopotutto hanno dismesso 26 CRJ da un giorno all'altro. Ma sapete per caso se questi problemi di "coperta corta" sono temporanei per uno o due anni e verranno risolti dal progressivo ingresso dei 223 in Lufthansa City, o se comunque, scegliendo di non avere piu aerei regional, la coperta rimarra' corta su tante rotte feeder? Inoltre, tempo fa si parlava di ACMI per rotte minori... ma poi non ho piu sentito nulla
Sicuramente gli A220 daranno una gran mano e così anche gli A319 ex cityline che sono ancora al prato. Al momento la situazione è che mancano aerei per coprire rotte ben più importanti, ad esempio EN volerà su AMS, ZAG e persino la navetta MUC-FRA.
Ci sono dei tempi lunghi burocratici che bloccano il trasferimento dei 319? O qualcosa di diverso?
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Non posso confermare niente, ma secondo me c'e' anche il problema dei ritardi da parte dei fornitori delle cabine, come conseguenza di quale, gli A319 ex Cityline sono stati "svuotati".
Nei ultimi mesi ho visto alcune volte A319 e A320ceo ex Cityline che andavano a ATH (da Aegean Tech), si incrociavano la con un A320neo LH City nuovissimo, e dopo 3 giorni tutti e tre volavano via. Lo dico perche Aegean Tech specificamente diceva nel 2025 che ha cominciato a sistemare le cabine dei aerei per la, al tempo, "nuova" LH City
Un po' di movimento comunque c'e', alcuni A319/320 e anche un A321P2F ex Cityline facevano voli di prova, se non sbaglio a MUC o BER, qualche settimana fa
Dal 28 marzo 2027 riprenderanno i collegamenti aerei diretti tra Ancona e Monaco di Baviera, operati da Air Dolomiti (Gruppo Lufthansa). La rotta sarà attiva sei giorni su sette.
Segna il ripristino di una tratta che nel 2025 aveva registrato un traffico di circa 62.000 passeggeri.
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Segna il ripristino di una tratta che nel 2025 aveva registrato un traffico di circa 62.000 passeggeri.
Aeroporto delle Marche, dal 28 marzo 2027 ripartono i voli Ancona-Monaco con Air Dolomiti
ANCONA – Dal 28 marzo 2027 riprenderanno i collegamenti aerei diretti tra Ancona e Monaco di Baviera, operati da Air Dolomiti (Gruppo Lufthansa). La rotta sarà attiva sei giorni su...
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EN8818 ieri era bello pieno, quasi a tappo... peccato vedere la rotta terminare questo fine settimana...
Dal 28 marzo 2027 riprenderanno i collegamenti aerei diretti tra Ancona e Monaco di Baviera, operati da Air Dolomiti (Gruppo Lufthansa). La rotta sarà attiva sei giorni su sette.
Segna il ripristino di una tratta che nel 2025 aveva registrato un traffico di circa 62.000 passeggeri.
Aeroporto delle Marche, dal 28 marzo 2027 ripartono i voli Ancona-Monaco con Air Dolomiti
ANCONA – Dal 28 marzo 2027 riprenderanno i collegamenti aerei diretti tra Ancona e Monaco di Baviera, operati da Air Dolomiti (Gruppo Lufthansa). La rotta sarà attiva sei giorni su...
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Sarà da capire se le interruzioni di Ancona, Genova e Trieste (da MUC) in inverno, e di Torino per l'estate da FRA saranno strutturali, trasformando in stagionali estive rotte "sottili", o se è solo un'interruzione temporanea, per mancanza di aerei e per i prezzi del jetfuel
Questa Lufthansa non mi sembra che vada tanto bene ultimamente, l'ho presa una volta mi basta e avanza e cerco di evitarla.
Peccato, me ne aveva parlato bene un mio parente che volava spesso con loro
Peccato, me ne aveva parlato bene un mio parente che volava spesso con loro
"eh Signora mia, si stava meglio quando si stava peggio"
airBaltic wet leases five A220s to Lufthansa Group in winter
airBaltic (BT, Riga) will provide five A220-300 to Lufthansa Group airlines under wet-lease agreements in winter 2026/27, amid its ongoing Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings in the United States.
An Austrian Airlines (OS, Vienna) spokesperson told ch-aviation the Latvian carrier had confirmed it would deliver the agreed capacity as planned.
"This may include up to 21 additional fuel-efficient Airbus A220-300 aircraft in summer 2026 and five aircraft of this type in winter 2026/27, to be deployed across various Lufthansa Group hubs. This arrangement enables the Lufthansa Group to respond flexibly to additional customer demand. Planning for summer 2027 is still ongoing," the spokesperson said.
Meanwhile, airBaltic is seeking US bankruptcy court approval to assume an October 2026 wet-lease agreement with Austrian Airlines, together with related amendments and other commercial agreements with Lufthansa Group. The court has scheduled presentation of the proposed order for November 4, according to a filing seen by ch-aviation.
The proposed order would allow airBaltic to assume the agreements under Section 365 of the US Bankruptcy Code, deem existing defaults cured, and prevent Lufthansa Group counterparties from demanding deposits or other security from the carrier. It would also authorise airBaltic to continue fulfilling its contractual obligations in the ordinary course of business.
According to ch-aviation data, of airBaltic's fleet of fifty-four A220-300s, thirty-two are currently wet leased to Lufthansa Group airlines, including sixteen to Swiss, nine to Austrian Airlines, two to Lufthansa, and five to Brussels Airlines.
Austrian Airlines has previously terminated wet-lease partnerships swiftly when operators encounter financial difficulties, as was the case for Sweden's BRA - Braathens Regional Airlines.
The wider Lufthansa Group is also reducing its reliance on ACMI, with fewer wet-leased aircraft planned for summer 2027. The shift comes as higher fuel costs threaten demand and airlines anticipate needing less capacity.
The European ACMI market has contracted sharply since the post-pandemic boom, with some providers already withdrawing aircraft because they cannot secure contracts.
www.ch-aviation.com
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airBaltic (BT, Riga) will provide five A220-300 to Lufthansa Group airlines under wet-lease agreements in winter 2026/27, amid its ongoing Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings in the United States.
An Austrian Airlines (OS, Vienna) spokesperson told ch-aviation the Latvian carrier had confirmed it would deliver the agreed capacity as planned.
"This may include up to 21 additional fuel-efficient Airbus A220-300 aircraft in summer 2026 and five aircraft of this type in winter 2026/27, to be deployed across various Lufthansa Group hubs. This arrangement enables the Lufthansa Group to respond flexibly to additional customer demand. Planning for summer 2027 is still ongoing," the spokesperson said.
Meanwhile, airBaltic is seeking US bankruptcy court approval to assume an October 2026 wet-lease agreement with Austrian Airlines, together with related amendments and other commercial agreements with Lufthansa Group. The court has scheduled presentation of the proposed order for November 4, according to a filing seen by ch-aviation.
The proposed order would allow airBaltic to assume the agreements under Section 365 of the US Bankruptcy Code, deem existing defaults cured, and prevent Lufthansa Group counterparties from demanding deposits or other security from the carrier. It would also authorise airBaltic to continue fulfilling its contractual obligations in the ordinary course of business.
According to ch-aviation data, of airBaltic's fleet of fifty-four A220-300s, thirty-two are currently wet leased to Lufthansa Group airlines, including sixteen to Swiss, nine to Austrian Airlines, two to Lufthansa, and five to Brussels Airlines.
Austrian Airlines has previously terminated wet-lease partnerships swiftly when operators encounter financial difficulties, as was the case for Sweden's BRA - Braathens Regional Airlines.
The wider Lufthansa Group is also reducing its reliance on ACMI, with fewer wet-leased aircraft planned for summer 2027. The shift comes as higher fuel costs threaten demand and airlines anticipate needing less capacity.
The European ACMI market has contracted sharply since the post-pandemic boom, with some providers already withdrawing aircraft because they cannot secure contracts.
airBaltic wet leases five A220s to Lufthansa Group in winter
airBaltic (BT, Riga) will provide five A220-300 to Lufthansa Group airlines under wet-lease agreements in winter 2026/27, amid its ongoing Chapter 11...
www.ch-aviation.com
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In generale tra le 2 supermajor europee mi pare af abbia un servizio leggermente migliore di lh.
Come hub cdg fa ***are (questa estate a luglio con a/c minima si boccheggiava peraltro), fra fa altrettanto ***are ma forse leggermente meno.
Fco in confronto un gioiello.
Lufthansa Scraps Boeing 787 Plans For Austrian
Lufthansa Group has scrapped plans to send Boeing 787 Dreamliners to Austrian Airlines, instead allocating them to the mainline Lufthansa brand.
The decision delays fleet renewal efforts for the Austrian-based carrier, which had previously expected five factory-fresh 787-9s as part of a phase-out of older, less efficient widebodies in favor of newer models.
Flagged by aeroTELEGRAPH, Austrian will still receive the previously operated and confirmed Boeing 787s, but instead of phasing out its older widebodies, it will retain them longer; notably, the 777s will be kept into the beginning of the next decade.
Austrian’s Boeing 787 plan now crumbles
The sweeping changes follow a plan by Austrian, revealed three years ago, to transition to the Boeing 787-9 for widebody operations by 2028, with the introduction of ten units enabling the phase-out of less efficient aircraft.
The aircraft were set to come from the existing Lufthansa Group orderbook, developed over the years but not publicly disclosed, with all variants assigned to airlines within the Group, leaving room for changes and new agreements.
Gradually, the Boeing 787-9s would replace the Boeing 777s and 767s still in the fleet at the time; while 10 units were planned by 2028, the fleet would scale to 12 from 2028 onward with further deliveries.
As part of the renewal, seven were previously operated aircraft. Then five factory-fresh Dreamliners from Lufthansa Group’s delivery slots were to be assigned to Austrian from late 2027, while a little delayed, still following through on plans, but that’s now not happening.
The final five allocated to Austrian have now been withdrawn; this comes two years after the type’s introduction, thanks to Bamboo Airways cutting its own fleet due to financial turmoil. This year Austrian has welcomed a couple more 787s, but the future years were when genuine progress was to be made on renewal.
Transfers remain planned for 2027, including a reported three units that would bring the Austrian fleet to seven, but this is far off the previous allocation and will instead force the airline to keep operating the Boeing 777 longer than it would like.
Boeing 777X delays hurt Lufthansa
At the centre of the decision to pull Boeing 787s from Austrian and instead head to the mainline Lufthansa brand are the heavy aircraft shortages elsewhere in the Group, which are directly affecting growth, renewal and financial performance.
In comments during the recent quarterly results, Spohr, the Lufthansa Group chief executive, said the five 787s will support operations out of Frankfurt because of delays with the 777X.
Boeing has informed Lufthansa that the first delivery will move from the first to the second quarter of 2027, and Lufthansa is no longer planning for a summer schedule in 2027 that includes the type.
With great uncertainty on the Boeing 777X, the retirement of the Airbus A340-600s, and the planned axing of the 747-400 to manage soaring costs next year, as well as the 777-9 delays, are having a big impact on growth and renewal at the flag-carrier, and that has necessitated a rethink in future aircraft deliveries.
The latest shift in the order book and allocation is responding to Lufthansa’s own problems, but it is also hampering Austrian’s fleet renewal. Lufthansa Group, however, argues that Austrian can maintain its fleet because of the 777s, whereas the German flag-carrier risks capacity loss if the delivery shortfall continues.
Boeing 777X not the only blame for Austrian
While Lufthansa focuses on the 777-9 delays and, as a consequence, needs capacity to cover them, that’s not the sole reason for the shift in deployment plans for the 787-9s; Spohr also flagged operating costs as a problem.
During the earnings call, the unsatisfactory operating costs in Vienna have been an ongoing problem. Austrian responded that the replacement and growth would help establish far stronger long-term economic prospects and are needed, though it is not up to them to decide at the end of the day if circumstances change.
The cost base of Vienna, alongside the ticket tax, has been openly critiqued by executives within the airline itself and the Lufthansa Group as the operating environment becomes more challenging. As costs soar and these lingering pressures remain, the Group’s priorities shift.
Austrian will receive three Boeing 787-9s under the plan; it’ll continue to rely on the aircraft in the future, but the five previously expected won’t arrive as intended and may arrive much later.
djsaviation.net
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Lufthansa Group has scrapped plans to send Boeing 787 Dreamliners to Austrian Airlines, instead allocating them to the mainline Lufthansa brand.
The decision delays fleet renewal efforts for the Austrian-based carrier, which had previously expected five factory-fresh 787-9s as part of a phase-out of older, less efficient widebodies in favor of newer models.
Flagged by aeroTELEGRAPH, Austrian will still receive the previously operated and confirmed Boeing 787s, but instead of phasing out its older widebodies, it will retain them longer; notably, the 777s will be kept into the beginning of the next decade.
Austrian’s Boeing 787 plan now crumbles
The sweeping changes follow a plan by Austrian, revealed three years ago, to transition to the Boeing 787-9 for widebody operations by 2028, with the introduction of ten units enabling the phase-out of less efficient aircraft.
The aircraft were set to come from the existing Lufthansa Group orderbook, developed over the years but not publicly disclosed, with all variants assigned to airlines within the Group, leaving room for changes and new agreements.
Gradually, the Boeing 787-9s would replace the Boeing 777s and 767s still in the fleet at the time; while 10 units were planned by 2028, the fleet would scale to 12 from 2028 onward with further deliveries.
As part of the renewal, seven were previously operated aircraft. Then five factory-fresh Dreamliners from Lufthansa Group’s delivery slots were to be assigned to Austrian from late 2027, while a little delayed, still following through on plans, but that’s now not happening.
The final five allocated to Austrian have now been withdrawn; this comes two years after the type’s introduction, thanks to Bamboo Airways cutting its own fleet due to financial turmoil. This year Austrian has welcomed a couple more 787s, but the future years were when genuine progress was to be made on renewal.
Transfers remain planned for 2027, including a reported three units that would bring the Austrian fleet to seven, but this is far off the previous allocation and will instead force the airline to keep operating the Boeing 777 longer than it would like.
Boeing 777X delays hurt Lufthansa
At the centre of the decision to pull Boeing 787s from Austrian and instead head to the mainline Lufthansa brand are the heavy aircraft shortages elsewhere in the Group, which are directly affecting growth, renewal and financial performance.
In comments during the recent quarterly results, Spohr, the Lufthansa Group chief executive, said the five 787s will support operations out of Frankfurt because of delays with the 777X.
Boeing has informed Lufthansa that the first delivery will move from the first to the second quarter of 2027, and Lufthansa is no longer planning for a summer schedule in 2027 that includes the type.
With great uncertainty on the Boeing 777X, the retirement of the Airbus A340-600s, and the planned axing of the 747-400 to manage soaring costs next year, as well as the 777-9 delays, are having a big impact on growth and renewal at the flag-carrier, and that has necessitated a rethink in future aircraft deliveries.
The latest shift in the order book and allocation is responding to Lufthansa’s own problems, but it is also hampering Austrian’s fleet renewal. Lufthansa Group, however, argues that Austrian can maintain its fleet because of the 777s, whereas the German flag-carrier risks capacity loss if the delivery shortfall continues.
Boeing 777X not the only blame for Austrian
While Lufthansa focuses on the 777-9 delays and, as a consequence, needs capacity to cover them, that’s not the sole reason for the shift in deployment plans for the 787-9s; Spohr also flagged operating costs as a problem.
During the earnings call, the unsatisfactory operating costs in Vienna have been an ongoing problem. Austrian responded that the replacement and growth would help establish far stronger long-term economic prospects and are needed, though it is not up to them to decide at the end of the day if circumstances change.
The cost base of Vienna, alongside the ticket tax, has been openly critiqued by executives within the airline itself and the Lufthansa Group as the operating environment becomes more challenging. As costs soar and these lingering pressures remain, the Group’s priorities shift.
Austrian will receive three Boeing 787-9s under the plan; it’ll continue to rely on the aircraft in the future, but the five previously expected won’t arrive as intended and may arrive much later.
Lufthansa Scraps Boeing 787 Plans For Austrian - Dj's Aviation
Lufthansa Group has scrapped plans to send Boeing 787 Dreamliners to Austrian Airlines, instead allocating them to the mainline Lufthansa brand.
djsaviation.net
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