A quanto pare il governo spagnolo minaccia di ritirare il certificato di operatore aereo.....:clown:
Accuse a Ryanair per i rifornimenti al limite della legalità
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Ryanair fa sempre scalpore...però sempre su questo forum...
http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/s...de-i-contanti-ai-passeggeri-per-fare-il-pieno!
Mi pare che la situazione Ryanair non abbia procurato particolari problemi di sicurezza. Air France invece carica si tanto carburante che una volta deciso di non atterrare a Beirut, non aveva carburante necessario per arrivare ad Amman che dista circa 200km da Beirut. E in questo caso si che la sicurezza è andata a farsi benedire. Immaginiamo che il comandante annunci:
"A causa dello scarso livello di carburante siamo costretti a chiedere un atterraggio d'emergenza, ma il tutto si svolgerà in completa sicurezza"
oppure:
"Visto che a Beirut sparano ci dirigeremo verso Amman che è qui vicino, ma prima ci fermiamo al self service in Siria, aprite i portafogli"
Insomma come finire nella bocca del lupo...la Francia è una delle nazioni maggiormente schierate contro il governo Assad e tu vai ad atterrare a Damasco? A parte la nota comica del cash payment a mio avviso è già andata bene che gli abbiano dato carburante e li abbiano fatti ripartire perchè in questa situazione c'era il reale rischio di un "giù tutti dall'aereo e da qui non ripartite"....
http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/s...de-i-contanti-ai-passeggeri-per-fare-il-pieno!
Mi pare che la situazione Ryanair non abbia procurato particolari problemi di sicurezza. Air France invece carica si tanto carburante che una volta deciso di non atterrare a Beirut, non aveva carburante necessario per arrivare ad Amman che dista circa 200km da Beirut. E in questo caso si che la sicurezza è andata a farsi benedire. Immaginiamo che il comandante annunci:
"A causa dello scarso livello di carburante siamo costretti a chiedere un atterraggio d'emergenza, ma il tutto si svolgerà in completa sicurezza"
oppure:
"Visto che a Beirut sparano ci dirigeremo verso Amman che è qui vicino, ma prima ci fermiamo al self service in Siria, aprite i portafogli"
Insomma come finire nella bocca del lupo...la Francia è una delle nazioni maggiormente schierate contro il governo Assad e tu vai ad atterrare a Damasco? A parte la nota comica del cash payment a mio avviso è già andata bene che gli abbiano dato carburante e li abbiano fatti ripartire perchè in questa situazione c'era il reale rischio di un "giù tutti dall'aereo e da qui non ripartite"....
Ma soprattutto mi sono sempre chiesto: se si imbarca dell'extrafuel non rimane poi comunque a bordo dell'a/m per la tratta successiva?se quindi imbarco 1000kg in più per via di taf non proprio felici, se tutto va bene e non si necessità di volare sull'alternato, quei 1000 non vanno comunque nel monte del fuel per la tratta successiva? E quindi in teoria il carburante messo in più a LIXX lo "recupero" a LIXY?
é vero solo in parte perché portando carburante in piú il tuo peso sarà maggiore cosi anche il tuo consumo.
Certo, il carburante che "avanza" dalla tratta non si butta via, però è pur sempre un peso aggiuntivo non pagante che ti rende l'aereo più pesante e quindi ti fa consumare di più. Però a volte ti evita di fare un buco per terra.
A line of heavy thunderstorms was moving across Spain on Jul 26th 2012 and in the late evening reached Madrid, Metars indicating the thunderstorms were above the aerodrome beginning 21:52L (19:52Z) until 23:30L (21:30Z).
Beginning 19:52Z until 20:48Z a number of aircraft on approach to Madrid aborted their approaches and went around including all non-Spanish operators, except for eight flights of Spanish only operators which continued their flights for landings on Madrid's runways 18. The Aviation Herald is still monitoring these flights, that landed between 19:52Z and 20:10Z.
A number of flights of various operators, that diverted due to the weather in Madrid all around Spain, needed to declare emergencies as result of their diversions as well in order to prevent further delays, that could have put the flights at risk of cutting into the required final fuel reserve.
While ICAO recommends to recognize a "minimum fuel" declaration in order to indicate to air traffic control that any unexpected delay might create an emergency situation on board, Europe has no legal foundation for such a minimum fuel declaration as the French BEA recently reported in one of their final reports, see Report: Cityjet RJ85 at Basel/Mulhouse on Jun 17th 2010, fuel emergency. Standard operating procedures therefore require, that crews declare emergency in order to prevent any further delays at the latest, when landing above final fuel reserve is no longer ensured. Minimum fuel declarations as well as emergency calls as result of being low on fuel thus happen regularly around the planet following weather related holdings and diversions.
That night several Ryanair flights inbound to Madrid needed to divert as well. Following their diversion to Valencia three Ryanair crews declared emergency reporting being low on fuel, which resulted in media reports running around the planet.
The Aviation Herald learned of the emergency calls at about 21:30Z on Jul 26th 2012 and has since been researching the events. Spain's CIAIAC told The Aviation Herald they saw no reason to open an investigation and have to date not released any notification of an investigation being opened, which in effect meant all aircraft diverting and declaring fuel emergency landed at or above final fuel reserve, which also meant there were no safety relevant issues as result of the weather related diversions, the flights thus did not meet the necessary criteria for coverage on The Aviation Herald.
The Aviation Herald today however learned, that one of the three Ryanair flights declaring emergency did land below final fuel reserve.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-ENM performing flight FR-5389 from Stockholm Skavsta (Sweden) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:45 hours, was approaching Madrid, levelled at FL100 at 20:06Z and received delay vectors until 20:38Z (32 minutes), when the crew decided they needed to divert to Valencia and could no longer risk to wait for the thunderstorms clearing (Madrid resumed landings at 20:48Z). The aircraft climbed to FL240 for the diversion and was on approach to Valencia at FL150 south of Valencia crossing the coast at 21:06Z, when another set of radar vectors delayed landing until the crew declared emergency. The aircraft landed safely in Valencia at 21:23Z with 1228 kg/2705 lbs of fuel remaining (minimum fuel reserve 1090 kg/2400 lbs), 77 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-DHH performing flight FR-5998 from London Stansted,EN (UK) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 2:30 hours, aborted the approach to Madrid at FL078 at 20:12Z, climbed back to FL100 and followed delay vectors until 20:33Z (21 minutes), when the crew decided to divert to Valencia reaching Valencia at 21:07Z descending through FL100. Following unexpected vectors guiding the aircraft out over the Valencia basin the crew declared emergency and landed safely at 21:18Z with 1160 kg/2555 lbs of fuel (minimum fuel remaining required 1119 kg/2465 lbs) about 66 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-EKK performing flight FR-2054 from Palma Mallorca,SP to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 1:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18R when the crew initiated a go around from about 2700 feet MSL at 20:00Z. The aircraft climbed back to FL150 and received delay vectors until 20:27Z (27 minutes), when the crew determined they could no longer wait and needed to divert to Valencia. The aircraft climbed to FL270 and reached Valencia descending through FL100 south of Valencia at 20:59Z. When the aircraft was vectored through extended centerline to the north the crew declared emergency as landing above final fuel reserve was no longer ensured and received immediate vectors back to the aerodrome, where the aircraft landed at 21:07Z with 1029 kg/ 2266 lbs of fuel remaining below the minimum fuel reserve required of 1104 kg/2432 lbs about 67 minutes after going around in Madrid.
Ryanair confirmed in the evening of Aug 22nd that flight FR-2054 landed slightly below final fuel reserve.
Metars:
LEMD 262300Z 36013KT 330V040 9999 FEW050CB 20/15 Q1016 NOSIG
LEMD 262230Z 01020KT 9999 FEW050CB 21/15 Q1015 NOSIG
LEMD 262200Z 29003KT 260V040 9999 FEW050CB BKN075 24/17 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262130Z 25009KT 200V290 9999 VCTS SCT050CB BKN075 24/14 Q1014 BECMG NSW
LEMD 262116Z 25012KT 210V280 9999 -TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/15 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262100Z 22017KT 7000 TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/18 Q1014 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262030Z 25015G25KT 220V280 7000 TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 24/15 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262014Z 21017KT 5000 2400NE +TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 23/16 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262000Z 12019KT 5000 TSRA SCT050CB 24/16 Q1012 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261952Z 14013G36KT 090V170 9999 TSRA SCT050CB 31/15 Q1011 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261930Z VRB05G17KT 9999 SCT050CB 33/10 Q1011 TEMPO TSRA
LEMD 261900Z 18004KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 TEMPO TSRA SCT050CB
LEMD 261830Z 16009KT 100V190 9999 FEW060 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261853Z 18005KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261800Z 16013G26KT 120V200 9999 FEW060 34/10 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261730Z 17013KT 130V200 9999 FEW060 34/09 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261700Z 16014KT 130V190 CAVOK 35/08 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261630Z 16011KT 110V200 CAVOK 35/08 Q1011 NOSIG
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=454af355&opt=0
fonte:avherald.com
Beginning 19:52Z until 20:48Z a number of aircraft on approach to Madrid aborted their approaches and went around including all non-Spanish operators, except for eight flights of Spanish only operators which continued their flights for landings on Madrid's runways 18. The Aviation Herald is still monitoring these flights, that landed between 19:52Z and 20:10Z.
A number of flights of various operators, that diverted due to the weather in Madrid all around Spain, needed to declare emergencies as result of their diversions as well in order to prevent further delays, that could have put the flights at risk of cutting into the required final fuel reserve.
While ICAO recommends to recognize a "minimum fuel" declaration in order to indicate to air traffic control that any unexpected delay might create an emergency situation on board, Europe has no legal foundation for such a minimum fuel declaration as the French BEA recently reported in one of their final reports, see Report: Cityjet RJ85 at Basel/Mulhouse on Jun 17th 2010, fuel emergency. Standard operating procedures therefore require, that crews declare emergency in order to prevent any further delays at the latest, when landing above final fuel reserve is no longer ensured. Minimum fuel declarations as well as emergency calls as result of being low on fuel thus happen regularly around the planet following weather related holdings and diversions.
That night several Ryanair flights inbound to Madrid needed to divert as well. Following their diversion to Valencia three Ryanair crews declared emergency reporting being low on fuel, which resulted in media reports running around the planet.
The Aviation Herald learned of the emergency calls at about 21:30Z on Jul 26th 2012 and has since been researching the events. Spain's CIAIAC told The Aviation Herald they saw no reason to open an investigation and have to date not released any notification of an investigation being opened, which in effect meant all aircraft diverting and declaring fuel emergency landed at or above final fuel reserve, which also meant there were no safety relevant issues as result of the weather related diversions, the flights thus did not meet the necessary criteria for coverage on The Aviation Herald.
The Aviation Herald today however learned, that one of the three Ryanair flights declaring emergency did land below final fuel reserve.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-ENM performing flight FR-5389 from Stockholm Skavsta (Sweden) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:45 hours, was approaching Madrid, levelled at FL100 at 20:06Z and received delay vectors until 20:38Z (32 minutes), when the crew decided they needed to divert to Valencia and could no longer risk to wait for the thunderstorms clearing (Madrid resumed landings at 20:48Z). The aircraft climbed to FL240 for the diversion and was on approach to Valencia at FL150 south of Valencia crossing the coast at 21:06Z, when another set of radar vectors delayed landing until the crew declared emergency. The aircraft landed safely in Valencia at 21:23Z with 1228 kg/2705 lbs of fuel remaining (minimum fuel reserve 1090 kg/2400 lbs), 77 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-DHH performing flight FR-5998 from London Stansted,EN (UK) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 2:30 hours, aborted the approach to Madrid at FL078 at 20:12Z, climbed back to FL100 and followed delay vectors until 20:33Z (21 minutes), when the crew decided to divert to Valencia reaching Valencia at 21:07Z descending through FL100. Following unexpected vectors guiding the aircraft out over the Valencia basin the crew declared emergency and landed safely at 21:18Z with 1160 kg/2555 lbs of fuel (minimum fuel remaining required 1119 kg/2465 lbs) about 66 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-EKK performing flight FR-2054 from Palma Mallorca,SP to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 1:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18R when the crew initiated a go around from about 2700 feet MSL at 20:00Z. The aircraft climbed back to FL150 and received delay vectors until 20:27Z (27 minutes), when the crew determined they could no longer wait and needed to divert to Valencia. The aircraft climbed to FL270 and reached Valencia descending through FL100 south of Valencia at 20:59Z. When the aircraft was vectored through extended centerline to the north the crew declared emergency as landing above final fuel reserve was no longer ensured and received immediate vectors back to the aerodrome, where the aircraft landed at 21:07Z with 1029 kg/ 2266 lbs of fuel remaining below the minimum fuel reserve required of 1104 kg/2432 lbs about 67 minutes after going around in Madrid.
Ryanair confirmed in the evening of Aug 22nd that flight FR-2054 landed slightly below final fuel reserve.
Metars:
LEMD 262300Z 36013KT 330V040 9999 FEW050CB 20/15 Q1016 NOSIG
LEMD 262230Z 01020KT 9999 FEW050CB 21/15 Q1015 NOSIG
LEMD 262200Z 29003KT 260V040 9999 FEW050CB BKN075 24/17 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262130Z 25009KT 200V290 9999 VCTS SCT050CB BKN075 24/14 Q1014 BECMG NSW
LEMD 262116Z 25012KT 210V280 9999 -TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/15 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262100Z 22017KT 7000 TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/18 Q1014 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262030Z 25015G25KT 220V280 7000 TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 24/15 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262014Z 21017KT 5000 2400NE +TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 23/16 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262000Z 12019KT 5000 TSRA SCT050CB 24/16 Q1012 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261952Z 14013G36KT 090V170 9999 TSRA SCT050CB 31/15 Q1011 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261930Z VRB05G17KT 9999 SCT050CB 33/10 Q1011 TEMPO TSRA
LEMD 261900Z 18004KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 TEMPO TSRA SCT050CB
LEMD 261830Z 16009KT 100V190 9999 FEW060 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261853Z 18005KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261800Z 16013G26KT 120V200 9999 FEW060 34/10 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261730Z 17013KT 130V200 9999 FEW060 34/09 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261700Z 16014KT 130V190 CAVOK 35/08 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261630Z 16011KT 110V200 CAVOK 35/08 Q1011 NOSIG
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=454af355&opt=0
fonte:avherald.com
Il regime di Assad ha tutto fuorchè bisogno di provocare i governi occidentali tali da far superare le resistenze di Russia e Cina ad una risoluzione radicale della situazione in Siria.
Già hanno rischiato al tempo dell'abbattimento del caccia Turco e non si era ancora così palesemente conclamata la strage di civili.
da av herald...
Thunderstorms in Madrid on Jul 26th 2012, landings, diversions, fuel emergencies and Ryanair
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Aug 22nd 2012 20:25Z, last updated Thursday, Aug 23rd 2012 07:57Z
A line of heavy thunderstorms was moving across Spain on Jul 26th 2012 and in the late evening reached Madrid, Metars indicating the thunderstorms were above the aerodrome beginning 21:52L (19:52Z) until 23:30L (21:30Z).
Beginning 19:52Z until 20:48Z a number of aircraft on approach to Madrid aborted their approaches and went around including all non-Spanish operators, except for eight flights of Spanish only operators which continued their flights for landings on Madrid's runways 18. The Aviation Herald is still monitoring these flights, that landed between 19:52Z and 20:10Z.
A number of flights of various operators, that diverted due to the weather in Madrid all around Spain, needed to declare emergencies as result of their diversions as well in order to prevent further delays, that could have put the flights at risk of cutting into the required final fuel reserve. The Spanish Airport Operator AENA's statement released to press, that only Ryanair aircraft were affected by fuel emergencies, is contradicted by evidence and is false.
While ICAO recommends to recognize a "minimum fuel" declaration in order to indicate to air traffic control that any unexpected delay might create an emergency situation on board, Europe has no legal foundation for such a minimum fuel declaration as the French BEA recently reported in one of their final reports, see Report: Cityjet RJ85 at Basel/Mulhouse on Jun 17th 2010, fuel emergency. Standard operating procedures therefore require, that crews declare emergency in order to prevent any further delays at the latest, when landing above final fuel reserve is no longer ensured. Minimum fuel declarations as well as emergency calls as result of being low on fuel thus happen regularly around the planet following weather related holdings and diversions.
That night several Ryanair flights inbound to Madrid needed to divert as well. Following their diversion to Valencia three Ryanair crews declared emergency reporting being low on fuel, which resulted in media reports running around the planet.
The Aviation Herald learned of the emergency calls at about 21:30Z on Jul 26th 2012 and has since been researching the events. Spain's CIAIAC told The Aviation Herald they saw no reason to open an investigation and have to date not released any notification of an investigation being opened, which in effect meant all aircraft diverting and declaring fuel emergency landed at or above final fuel reserve, which also meant there were no safety relevant issues as result of the weather related diversions, the flights thus did not meet the necessary criteria for coverage on The Aviation Herald.
The Aviation Herald today (Aug 22nd) however learned, that one of the three Ryanair flights declaring emergency did land below final fuel reserve. On Aug 23rd The Aviation Herald learned a LAN Airlines Airbus A340-300 landed substantially below final fuel reserve.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-ENM performing flight FR-5389 from Stockholm Skavsta (Sweden) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:45 hours, was approaching Madrid, levelled at FL100 at 20:06Z and received delay vectors until 20:38Z (32 minutes), when the crew decided they needed to divert to Valencia and could no longer risk to wait for the thunderstorms clearing (Madrid resumed landings at 20:48Z). The aircraft climbed to FL240 for the diversion and was on approach to Valencia at FL150 south of Valencia crossing the coast at 21:06Z, when another set of radar vectors delayed landing until the crew declared emergency. The aircraft landed safely in Valencia at 21:23Z with 1228 kg/2705 lbs of fuel remaining (minimum fuel reserve 1090 kg/2400 lbs), 77 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-DHH performing flight FR-5998 from London Stansted,EN (UK) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 2:30 hours, aborted the approach to Madrid at FL078 at 20:12Z, climbed back to FL100 and followed delay vectors until 20:33Z (21 minutes), when the crew decided to divert to Valencia reaching Valencia at 21:07Z descending through FL100. Following unexpected vectors guiding the aircraft out over the Valencia basin the crew declared emergency and landed safely at 21:18Z with 1160 kg/2555 lbs of fuel (minimum fuel remaining required 1119 kg/2465 lbs) about 66 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-EKK performing flight FR-2054 from Palma Mallorca,SP to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 1:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18R when the crew initiated a go around from about 2700 feet MSL at 20:00Z. The aircraft climbed back to FL150 and received delay vectors until 20:27Z (27 minutes), when the crew determined they could no longer wait and needed to divert to Valencia. The aircraft climbed to FL270 and reached Valencia descending through FL100 south of Valencia at 20:59Z. When the aircraft was vectored through extended centerline to the north the crew declared emergency as landing above final fuel reserve was no longer ensured and received immediate vectors back to the aerodrome, where the aircraft landed at 21:07Z with 1029 kg/ 2266 lbs of fuel remaining below the minimum fuel reserve required of 1104 kg/2432 lbs about 67 minutes after going around in Madrid.
Ryanair confirmed in the evening of Aug 22nd that flight FR-2054 landed slightly below final fuel reserve.
A LAN Airlines Airbus A340-300, registration CC-CQF performing flight LA-705 from Frankfurt/Main (Germany) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18L when the crew went around from about 4000 feet MSL at 20:02Z. The aircraft climbed to FL120 and followed delay vectors until 20:22Z (20 minutes) when the crew decided to divert to Valencia. Still on a westerly heading in opposite direction to Valencia the aircraft climbed to FL280 before turning east to Valencia. On descent towards Valencia the crew declared Mayday reporting being low on fuel. The aircraft reached Valencia descending through FL100 at 21:09Z and subsequently lost an engine. The aircraft landed in Valencia at 21:16Z 74 minutes after going around in Madrid with 1300kg/2860lbs of fuel in the left wing tank and 800kg/1760lbs of fuel in the right wing tank remaining substantially below the required minimum final fuel reserve of about 2800kg/6170lbs.
Metars:
LEMD 262300Z 36013KT 330V040 9999 FEW050CB 20/15 Q1016 NOSIG
LEMD 262230Z 01020KT 9999 FEW050CB 21/15 Q1015 NOSIG
LEMD 262200Z 29003KT 260V040 9999 FEW050CB BKN075 24/17 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262130Z 25009KT 200V290 9999 VCTS SCT050CB BKN075 24/14 Q1014 BECMG NSW
LEMD 262116Z 25012KT 210V280 9999 -TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/15 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262100Z 22017KT 7000 TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/18 Q1014 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262030Z 25015G25KT 220V280 7000 TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 24/15 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262014Z 21017KT 5000 2400NE +TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 23/16 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262000Z 12019KT 5000 TSRA SCT050CB 24/16 Q1012 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261952Z 14013G36KT 090V170 9999 TSRA SCT050CB 31/15 Q1011 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261930Z VRB05G17KT 9999 SCT050CB 33/10 Q1011 TEMPO TSRA
LEMD 261900Z 18004KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 TEMPO TSRA SCT050CB
LEMD 261830Z 16009KT 100V190 9999 FEW060 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261853Z 18005KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261800Z 16013G26KT 120V200 9999 FEW060 34/10 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261730Z 17013KT 130V200 9999 FEW060 34/09 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261700Z 16014KT 130V190 CAVOK 35/08 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261630Z 16011KT 110V200 CAVOK 35/08 Q1011 NOSIG
Infrared Satellite Image Jul 26th 2012 18:00Z (Graphics: Meteosat):
Infrared Satellite Image Jul 26th 2012 18:00Z (Graphics: Meteosat)
Thunderstorms in Madrid on Jul 26th 2012, landings, diversions, fuel emergencies and Ryanair
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Aug 22nd 2012 20:25Z, last updated Thursday, Aug 23rd 2012 07:57Z
A line of heavy thunderstorms was moving across Spain on Jul 26th 2012 and in the late evening reached Madrid, Metars indicating the thunderstorms were above the aerodrome beginning 21:52L (19:52Z) until 23:30L (21:30Z).
Beginning 19:52Z until 20:48Z a number of aircraft on approach to Madrid aborted their approaches and went around including all non-Spanish operators, except for eight flights of Spanish only operators which continued their flights for landings on Madrid's runways 18. The Aviation Herald is still monitoring these flights, that landed between 19:52Z and 20:10Z.
A number of flights of various operators, that diverted due to the weather in Madrid all around Spain, needed to declare emergencies as result of their diversions as well in order to prevent further delays, that could have put the flights at risk of cutting into the required final fuel reserve. The Spanish Airport Operator AENA's statement released to press, that only Ryanair aircraft were affected by fuel emergencies, is contradicted by evidence and is false.
While ICAO recommends to recognize a "minimum fuel" declaration in order to indicate to air traffic control that any unexpected delay might create an emergency situation on board, Europe has no legal foundation for such a minimum fuel declaration as the French BEA recently reported in one of their final reports, see Report: Cityjet RJ85 at Basel/Mulhouse on Jun 17th 2010, fuel emergency. Standard operating procedures therefore require, that crews declare emergency in order to prevent any further delays at the latest, when landing above final fuel reserve is no longer ensured. Minimum fuel declarations as well as emergency calls as result of being low on fuel thus happen regularly around the planet following weather related holdings and diversions.
That night several Ryanair flights inbound to Madrid needed to divert as well. Following their diversion to Valencia three Ryanair crews declared emergency reporting being low on fuel, which resulted in media reports running around the planet.
The Aviation Herald learned of the emergency calls at about 21:30Z on Jul 26th 2012 and has since been researching the events. Spain's CIAIAC told The Aviation Herald they saw no reason to open an investigation and have to date not released any notification of an investigation being opened, which in effect meant all aircraft diverting and declaring fuel emergency landed at or above final fuel reserve, which also meant there were no safety relevant issues as result of the weather related diversions, the flights thus did not meet the necessary criteria for coverage on The Aviation Herald.
The Aviation Herald today (Aug 22nd) however learned, that one of the three Ryanair flights declaring emergency did land below final fuel reserve. On Aug 23rd The Aviation Herald learned a LAN Airlines Airbus A340-300 landed substantially below final fuel reserve.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-ENM performing flight FR-5389 from Stockholm Skavsta (Sweden) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:45 hours, was approaching Madrid, levelled at FL100 at 20:06Z and received delay vectors until 20:38Z (32 minutes), when the crew decided they needed to divert to Valencia and could no longer risk to wait for the thunderstorms clearing (Madrid resumed landings at 20:48Z). The aircraft climbed to FL240 for the diversion and was on approach to Valencia at FL150 south of Valencia crossing the coast at 21:06Z, when another set of radar vectors delayed landing until the crew declared emergency. The aircraft landed safely in Valencia at 21:23Z with 1228 kg/2705 lbs of fuel remaining (minimum fuel reserve 1090 kg/2400 lbs), 77 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-DHH performing flight FR-5998 from London Stansted,EN (UK) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 2:30 hours, aborted the approach to Madrid at FL078 at 20:12Z, climbed back to FL100 and followed delay vectors until 20:33Z (21 minutes), when the crew decided to divert to Valencia reaching Valencia at 21:07Z descending through FL100. Following unexpected vectors guiding the aircraft out over the Valencia basin the crew declared emergency and landed safely at 21:18Z with 1160 kg/2555 lbs of fuel (minimum fuel remaining required 1119 kg/2465 lbs) about 66 minutes after aborting the approach to Madrid.
A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-EKK performing flight FR-2054 from Palma Mallorca,SP to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 1:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18R when the crew initiated a go around from about 2700 feet MSL at 20:00Z. The aircraft climbed back to FL150 and received delay vectors until 20:27Z (27 minutes), when the crew determined they could no longer wait and needed to divert to Valencia. The aircraft climbed to FL270 and reached Valencia descending through FL100 south of Valencia at 20:59Z. When the aircraft was vectored through extended centerline to the north the crew declared emergency as landing above final fuel reserve was no longer ensured and received immediate vectors back to the aerodrome, where the aircraft landed at 21:07Z with 1029 kg/ 2266 lbs of fuel remaining below the minimum fuel reserve required of 1104 kg/2432 lbs about 67 minutes after going around in Madrid.
Ryanair confirmed in the evening of Aug 22nd that flight FR-2054 landed slightly below final fuel reserve.
A LAN Airlines Airbus A340-300, registration CC-CQF performing flight LA-705 from Frankfurt/Main (Germany) to Madrid,SP (Spain), estimated flight time 3:10 hours, was on final approach to Madrid's runway 18L when the crew went around from about 4000 feet MSL at 20:02Z. The aircraft climbed to FL120 and followed delay vectors until 20:22Z (20 minutes) when the crew decided to divert to Valencia. Still on a westerly heading in opposite direction to Valencia the aircraft climbed to FL280 before turning east to Valencia. On descent towards Valencia the crew declared Mayday reporting being low on fuel. The aircraft reached Valencia descending through FL100 at 21:09Z and subsequently lost an engine. The aircraft landed in Valencia at 21:16Z 74 minutes after going around in Madrid with 1300kg/2860lbs of fuel in the left wing tank and 800kg/1760lbs of fuel in the right wing tank remaining substantially below the required minimum final fuel reserve of about 2800kg/6170lbs.
Metars:
LEMD 262300Z 36013KT 330V040 9999 FEW050CB 20/15 Q1016 NOSIG
LEMD 262230Z 01020KT 9999 FEW050CB 21/15 Q1015 NOSIG
LEMD 262200Z 29003KT 260V040 9999 FEW050CB BKN075 24/17 Q1014 NOSIG
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LEMD 262116Z 25012KT 210V280 9999 -TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/15 Q1014 NOSIG
LEMD 262100Z 22017KT 7000 TSRA SCT050CB BKN070 23/18 Q1014 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262030Z 25015G25KT 220V280 7000 TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 24/15 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262014Z 21017KT 5000 2400NE +TSRA SCT040CB BKN060 23/16 Q1013 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 262000Z 12019KT 5000 TSRA SCT050CB 24/16 Q1012 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261952Z 14013G36KT 090V170 9999 TSRA SCT050CB 31/15 Q1011 TEMPO TSGR
LEMD 261930Z VRB05G17KT 9999 SCT050CB 33/10 Q1011 TEMPO TSRA
LEMD 261900Z 18004KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 TEMPO TSRA SCT050CB
LEMD 261830Z 16009KT 100V190 9999 FEW060 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261853Z 18005KT 130V220 9999 SCT050TCU 33/11 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261800Z 16013G26KT 120V200 9999 FEW060 34/10 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261730Z 17013KT 130V200 9999 FEW060 34/09 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261700Z 16014KT 130V190 CAVOK 35/08 Q1010 NOSIG
LEMD 261630Z 16011KT 110V200 CAVOK 35/08 Q1011 NOSIG
Infrared Satellite Image Jul 26th 2012 18:00Z (Graphics: Meteosat):
Infrared Satellite Image Jul 26th 2012 18:00Z (Graphics: Meteosat)
Finalmente un po' di chiarezza.
In Spagna si sta esagerando con le critiche irragionevoli. Evidentemente si vogliono vendicare per questi (ed altri) banner di MOL.
Stando a quello che dice AviationHerald (ad oggi dimostratosi impeccabile) AENA ha sbagliato di grosso, così come la ministro Ana Pastor.
Si preannuncia battaglia mediatica, attenzione alle livree che inizieranno a tirare fuori.
Infine... chi credete che trarrà il massimo beneficio pubblicitario da questa lite?
In Spagna si sta esagerando con le critiche irragionevoli. Evidentemente si vogliono vendicare per questi (ed altri) banner di MOL.
Stando a quello che dice AviationHerald (ad oggi dimostratosi impeccabile) AENA ha sbagliato di grosso, così come la ministro Ana Pastor.
Si preannuncia battaglia mediatica, attenzione alle livree che inizieranno a tirare fuori.
Infine... chi credete che trarrà il massimo beneficio pubblicitario da questa lite?
Ultima modifica:
Scusate, ma solo a me ha fatto sobbalzare dalla sedia questo passaggio?
Come mai per FR tanto chiasso (quando peraltro si sapeva ancora poco) e ora che invece emerge che quella sera il casino vero lo stava per combinare una rampante compagnia premium, c'è un simile silenzio assordante?
Ricevo e pubblico - credo in esclusiva (non ne ho trovato traccia su internet) - per gli utenti di Aviazione Civile la lettera scritta da MOL al ministro Pastor lo scorso 11 settembre.
Grazie per l'allegato, ma si può sapere cosa diavolo c'entra quella lista di "incidents" risalenti anche al 2006(!!) allegata nella lettera di MOL? Sbaglio o qui si parla di "fuel emergency"? Il bello è che questa lista include le emergenze mediche e i bird strike.