Riassunto novità e cancellazioni Alitalia S08


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come mai AZ ha aperto al rotta per tre volte da FCO e poi l'ha sempre spostata prima FCO-MXP-LAX e poi solo MXP-LAX???, per ben tre volte!!!!!!
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forse perchè è a MIL il vero mercato?????:D
 
I pax sn al nord le aziende sn lì è sempre stato così i pax se lisn sempre divisi le grandi majors AZ ha sempre rincorso...MXP è nata x quello nn per hobby,ma dal governo dal management vi è sempre stata incomapetenza e 0 forza cn i sindacati che hanno sempre fatto quello che hanno voluto.

Il piano attulae è una follia è di sopravvivenza (questo lo ha detto PRATO) e Monsiuer Spinetta ha detto che condivide questo piano ....salvo dire che un piano di rilancio ma mi senbra che sia in contraddizione no??
AZ si troverebbe tra 10 anni ad avere la stessa flotta do oddi di wide bodies..se questpo è sviluppo!!!

LH che nn sono degli stupidi ne dei pazzi hanno sempre detto che sarebbe follia lasciare ,ridimensionare MXP
 
LIN-MAD passa a 3 daily.

AZ 7914 LIN MAD 08.40 11.00 (1234567) M80
AZ 7100 LIN MAD 11.35 13.50 (1234567) 319 nuovo volo
AZ 48 LIN MAD 16.40 18.55 (12345-7) 319

AZ 7915 MAD LIN 11.55 14.00 (123456-) M80
AZ 7099 MAD LIN 15.10 17.15 (1234567) 319 nuovo volo
AZ 49 MAD LIN 19.50 21.55 (12345-7) 319

Questa la situazione su BCN

Barcelona

AZ 7894 LIN BCN 09.25 11.00 (123456-7) 321 nuovo volo
AZ 7098 LIN BCN 13.05 14.40 (1234567) 319 nuovo volo
AZ 80 LIN BCN 17.35 19.10 (12345-7) 319

AZ 7895 BCN LIN 11.50 13.20 (123456-) 321 nuovo volo
AZ 7097 BCN LIN 15.30 17.00 (1234567) 319 nuovo volo
AZ 81 BCN LIN 20.00 21.30 (12345-7) 319


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Penso perche' e' quasi sull'uscio di casa loro e se ci fosse basato qualcuno di decente gli darebbe fastidio...
 
Sempre da A.net, segnalo l'analisi approfondita sui nuovi schedulati statunitensi dell'ex responsabile AZ per la California.


You are right when you say that they are essentially moving the entire operation out of MXP down to FCO. I was happy to see that the west Africa flying had not been eliminated. I was asking myself why they would drop the west Africa flights...they are pretty high yield and are full almost all the time. It isn't the greatest place to fly to, but it seems that people will pay to fly there...

My big question is what is going on with AZ610/611...what are they thinking putting on a 763 on that trip? That is the cash cow flight for the North American division, and as it was it took a lot of DBs in the summer with the 777 (unless their no show factor is much higher than it used to be?)

The rest of it I need to look at with more scrutiny...my big concern is with the LAX flight...it won't have much inbound connecting traffic with an 0910 departure...it should coming back...but even then. Also...a 13hr block time? On the GCM it times at 13hr at 425kts (basically M0.84, FL380 with 50kt hw component...which is pretty realistic in the summer). In other words, it's going to be consistently late...On the EB sector, a block time of 12 hrs sounds about right...although it will come in consistently at about 11hrs in the summer. So, must be the same planners...they add an hour to the EB sector to cover themselves in the summer...the EB flight will always arrive on time and the WB will always be late (if the station manager - the "KK" in LAX has his head screwed on straight, he will be a hero, because his ontime performance will be stellar in the summer)...presuming of course he can turn the aircraft in 90 minutes or less. We got so good in SFO that we could turn a 767 with a full load both ways in 75 minutes. Our record was 61 minutes (light loads both ways helped).

When the LAX trip departed later (1030) it was able to pull in some of early morning flights from other destinations. Of course, it could be that there is some schedule coordination going on with the SkyTeam partners; specifically DL and AF already. If you read my post on the LHR slots, there were some very interesting observations I made there.

But a 763 on the 610 and 611? This is bad news. Look at the eastbound schedule (this is June 1, 08)

AZ 609 JFK4:05 PM 6:15 AM 772 Daily
AA 236 JFK 5:00 PM 7:25 AM 763 Daily
AZ (DL) 7615 JFK 5:05 PM 7:55 AM 763 Daily/DL 148
DL 148 JFK 5:05 PM 7:55 AM 763 Daily
AZ(DL) 7605 JFK 7:00 PM 10:00 AM 767 Daily/Dl 160
AZ 611 JFK 9:05 PM 11:30 AM 764 (Note: not a 764...but 764 in the system...means different type of 763
DL(AZ) 8151 9:10 PM 11:20 AM 772 (yes AZ611...why it is scheduled 10min earlier...no clue)
GJ 957 JFK 9:45 PM 12:00 PM 330 Su,T,F,Sa
IG(GJ) 9957 9:45 PM 12:00 PM 330 Su,T,F,Sa (Eurofly with Meridiana code share)

OK...some observations: AZ609 leaves very early, so inbound connections are going to be problematic, especially if DL is providing the connections. Also, to catch a 405pm trip, you have to be at JFK at 200pm, so as a practical matter, you have to be out of Manhatten no later than 100pm. This means HALF the day is shot for work...and they put the big plane on this??

American and Delta leave practically on top of each other at 5pm, then Delta again at 700pm (with both flights AZ coded, so AZ does get the code share revenue (20% on the seats booked on the AZ side of the plane...something is better than nothing).

The later flights, the ones which the business travelers and people who will take this flight so they can arrive in LIN later in the day (yes...people will fly to FCO to go to LIN so they don't have to deal with the trip in from MXP early in the morning)...you will notice that Eurofly has a 330 (code shared with Meridiana) on...at the exact same time. Here's the problem. Typically, the 610 is delayed...it just is. This means that if anybody has any kind of outbound connection beyond FCO, guess what? They'll be rebooked on Eurofly, the "other" Italian airline. Eurofly has a pretty good Economy class product, on par with AZ for sure; the Business Class product is a LOT cheaper than AZ...and they operate FOUR days a week; just enough to give the business traveler choices: Mon, Wed, Sat or Sun arrivals in Rome.

The problem is reversed in the opposite direction; Eurofly has the last trip of the day from FCO. AZ 610 is popular with the local New York crowd because it arrives late in New York, so you get in, go through customs and arrive home and go to bed. Even when the flight is an hour or so late, it isn't a big deal, because most of the traffic on that flight is local traffic. The earlier AZ flight will carry the connecting traffic.

Now...here is an observation. I am going to apologize for it in advance, because it is very typical of what happens in Alitalia. The scheduling is performed to give the Italian originating traffic the better schedule. It favors the Italians by providing them an early departure from FCO that gets them to JFK early enough to make connections to points beyond (hence why the DL code is on that flight). Now in fairness, with DL, AZ has four frequencies a day from FCO to JFK; two on AZ metal and two on DL. However, what will happen is that DL will capture a larger share of the revenue because of the fact that the return schedule is such that the smaller aircraft is on the last flight...this will force people to take the 7pm DL flight, because of the very well known fact that the AZ 611 in the summer is oversale hell. This means that a lot of revenue will get FIMd over to GJ and Eurofly will be the beneficiary of the much higher revenue for the ticket...because they will get 100% of the ticket value from the AZ coupon...which is twice the price of their Business Class fare.

I personally would have put two 777s on the JFK route in the summer, because, frankly, they will fill up. The EWR flights are operated with the 767s...so no harm no foul there...BUT looking at AZ vs CO out of EWR?

DL (AZ) 8243 EWR 1720 FCO 0740 764 (763...as before)
CO 40 EWR 1725 FCO 0745 777 Daily
AZ 643 EWR 1740 FCO 0800 764 (763 as above)
CO 42 EWR 2205 FCO 1230 762 Daily

At EWR, CO will operate two flights, neither are code shared with AZ. DL code shares on the AZ643, but shows it departing first, so it will show up in the GDS display first. This is a VERY important consideration, because all things being equal, the first flight that is seen has a higher percentage chance of being booked first...even if it is operated by the flight that leaves 20 minutes later. WHY DL is allowed to do this, I have no clue...but I'd certainly like to know.

CO is operating a 777 against the AZ 767, which in terms of their onboard product is vastly superior....PTV in Y class, a near lie flat seat (while AZ also has a new seat in their 767s it is not quite lie flat either...and no PTV).

CO operates a second trip, later in the evening, in fact the last flight of the night at 1005pm, arriving at 1230pm operating with a 762. This is CO's secret weapon. This bird only has about 170 seats on it...25 in J and 145 in Y. PTV in all seats and about 32+ in seat pitch with the 777 interior. In other words, very nearly the same product as on the 777, just smaller. Add to that the fact that CO OWNS EWR, they will have the inbound connection advantage. Why AZ did not schedule their flight ex EWR very late is a mystery, because this would have been a very good move. It would have given FCO travelers a very late afternoon departure (3pm) and an evening arrival in EWR. They could have done this very effectively with the 767, but putting the 767 up against the 777 in the afternoon...that traffic is going to go to CO first, then fall back onto AZ. What is going to happen out of EWR is that AZ will get the "left overs" Due to the fact CO is so strong at EWR and now has put on two aircraft, one a 777, scheduled at the right time, they will get the premium traffic.

Now, one may ask why I argue for putting the large airplane late on JFK and only the 767 on EWR. Answer is simple: Most of the NYC Italian home market departs from JFK. A lot of those people have money and sit in the front and pay the J class fares. EWR is all business territory. I have flown out of both airports and while it is said that it is easier to get to EWR than JFK from mid town Manhatten, I have to say that it has been my experience...and I have done it a lot, so I can say this with some authority: When leaving for Italy from New York, I prefer to leave late so I can put in a full day...get a nice meal on the plane (yes I flew Business all the time going back and forth) and arrive in Italy with a meal and a good night's sleep. This was why I took the AZ610, because I knew that I'd get an OK meal and a nice evening sleep on the 777....or just watch the little airplane on the monitor cross the ocean...

When I was at AZ, I argued vehimently against the schedule favoring the Italian market. While the Euro is so strong, I would not do that now. The Euro has much more value in terms of revenue to the carrier than the dollar, so in scheduling, I would favor the Italian point of sale, without question. Even then, the scheduling decisions are still questionable, especially with the choice of aircraft ex FCO...the 767 should have been put on in the AM and the 777 in the evening. In this way, the earlier flight would have been full, the overflow on DL, then the business traffic that would work in Rome and then take the later flight home would do so and arrive in good shape in NYC. With the smaller aircraft on the later flight, that will reduce the revenue opportunities in both classes...and give DL a greater share of the revenue.

What is funny about this argument is in terms of alliance, CO, DL and AZ are all in the same alliance. Therefore, a MilleMiglia member will get credit for flying on CO into EWR or DL into JFK....or a SkyMiles member will take CO ex EWR because of the 767 very late in the evening from EWR that offers all the amenities that the 777 has.

So why do I harp on the New York market? Simple. In terms of numbers, in terms of revenue, it is the largest revenue producing market for AZ...period full stop. You would think with this in mind, they would protect the market better, but, I will tell you that the scheduling people in Rome actually think they are doing the right thing...and in their defense, I believe that they think they are. However, after doing study after study (for SFO) and proving that the scheduling decisions were costing the carrier revenue (which got pushed up to very high levels in FCO when I was at AZ), it only had a marginal effect in changing the scheduling picture...and make not one difference when it came to inventory management, which was a whole other matter entirely...and something for another post.

I will take a closer look at the connecting market and I will also look at the schedules in/out of MXP to see what effect there will be on that market with the wholesale pull out of AZ from that airport. One thing that should happen almost immediately is that the airport should function with much greater efficiency. The problem with MXP was that there were too many flights scheduled into that airport...far more than the infrastructure of the airport could handle. That said, the construction of the third satellite at MXP in Terminal one will add sufficient gates to make MXP a viable airport. It was a beautiful facility when it first opened (I had the very good fortune to go there right after it opened and got a "behind the scenes" tour by the station manager's assistant there...she was really pretty too which made it all that much better. It was a beautiful facility, but too small for the number of passengers going there. If AZ makes it the focus city that they intend for it to be...and the infrastructure in terms of rail links are speeded up so that the transit to/from the city is cut down from an hour to 30 minutes...then people should use that airport more, especially in the summer when the fog is not so much of an issue.

The work that was done at FCO about seven to eight years ago has made a difference; but it is still a big airport and with AZ putting all its traffic there, it is going to have to be very careful about where connecting flights are parked...because there are not the moving sidewalks in that airport that there are in other airports in Europe and to go from T-A to T-C, even in the sterile area, is still a long hike...and if your flight is late...running shoes are required.

Oh well, enough for tonight...I think I've given everyone enough to think about...especially considering the New York area issues. We should be watching out for Eurofly...they are very sneaky and they fly nonstop from JFK to Bologna, Pisa, Pescara, Palermo and Lamezia Terme. Thankfully, they don't do it every day...but with DL flying to Pisa and Venice beside MXP and FCO...the Barbarians are marching on the gate...and those Barbarians are in our own alliance!!!

Your thoughts are always welcome, grazie e buone notte.
baw716
 
Beh sicuramente ci capisce, ci vorrebbero piu' persone cosi' in AZ (mi sa che non ci lavora piu' pero'...). Comunque effettivamente anche io sono rimasto stupito della scelta di mettere il 767 sulla AZ610... (rotta storica Alitalia...).
Non condivido tanto la minaccia Eurofly, secondo me non e' cosi' drastica.

Comunque analisi condivisibile...
 
Ripesco il thread per segnalare un piccolo aggiornamento: il secondo volo FCO-JFK che doveva inizialmente partire al 1 di giugno (daily 767) è stato anticipato al 30 marzo. Fino al 31 maggio verrà impiegato un 777 con frequenza pentasettimanale. Dal 1 giugno diventa daily con 767, il 777 passa alla nuova rotta su LAX sempre 5xw.

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Ragazzi vedo che siete ben informati sul network futuro di AZ.
A me preme sapere se ci sono novità sul network operato da A6.
Continuerà la collaborazione? E se si, da quali basi?
Ciao.
 
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