Incidente A330 Air France Rio-Parigi 01/06/2009

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@ TW843,

nelle ultime due foto che hai postato, si vede chiaramente una parte di sedile di J. Tutti gli incidenti mi fanno impressione, ovviamente, ma questo di più, vedere e riconoscere dei pezzi dell'interno con i quali ho avuto a che fare centinaia di volte, beh, è terribile.
 
Belzer ha detto:
una mia sensazione, mi rendo conto che le variabili sono troppe, però parlando tra addetti ai lavori, è uscita fuori questa pensata, tutto qua
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Il muso dell'aereo è una delle parti più resistenti dell'aereo ed è meno soggetto a rottura della parte centrale della fusoliera.
Quindi in prima battuta è più probabile che i corpi ritrovati provengano da zone dell'aereo diverse dal cockpit, che è chiuso da una porta blindata.

Ma ripeto è una congettura, tutta da dimostrare.
 
FlyIce ha detto:
Il muso dell'aereo è una delle parti più resistenti dell'aereo ed è meno soggetto a rottura della parte centrale della fusoliera.
Quindi in prima battuta è più probabile che i corpi ritrovati provengano da zone dell'aereo diverse dal cockpit, che è chiuso da una porta blindata.

Ma ripeto è una congettura, tutta da dimostrare.
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possibile
 
FlyIce ha detto:
Il muso dell'aereo è una delle parti più resistenti dell'aereo ed è meno soggetto a rottura della parte centrale della fusoliera.
Quindi in prima battuta è più probabile che i corpi ritrovati provengano da zone dell'aereo diverse dal cockpit, che è chiuso da una porta blindata.

Ma ripeto è una congettura, tutta da dimostrare.
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era esattamente questo che mi era venuto in mente
 
AZ1774 ha detto:
@ TW843,

nelle ultime due foto che hai postato, si vede chiaramente una parte di sedile di J. Tutti gli incidenti mi fanno impressione, ovviamente, ma questo di più, vedere e riconoscere dei pezzi dell'interno con i quali ho avuto a che fare centinaia di volte, beh, è terribile.
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Esatto, la stessa impressione che ho avuto io vedendo le standard unit, o i jumpseat, o i ganci blocca-carrello, piccoli pezzi di un aereo che conosco, piccole parti insignificanti, viste e conosciute, ma così ridotte fanno venire i brividi...
 
Forse belzer ha ragione.....Body of Air France captain Marc Dubois found as crash inquiry beginsCharles Bremner in Paris Experts have identified the body of Marc Dubois, the captain of Air France Flight 447, which crashed into the Atlantic on June 1 in a disaster that has raised doubts about the safety of the world’s modern airliners.

The remains of Mr Dubois, 58, and those of one of the stewards, were among a dozen bodies identified from 50 that were found in the Atlantic off Brazil and taken to the coastal city of Recife.

All 228 people on board the A330 Airbus died when it broke up while crossing a storm zone on a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

In the final four minutes automatic alert messages from the aircraft showed several failures, which began with faulty speed readings.

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Air France and Airbus confirmed a series of previous incidents involving faulty speed data and experts have focused on the possibility that the aircraft went out of control after a failure of its computerised flight system.

The pilots may have been unable to fly the aircraft manually in severe weather and without reliable instruments.

The discovery of Mr Dubois’ body was seen as a possible confirmation that, in keeping with standard practice, he was resting during the cruise phase of the flight.

The first and second officers would have been at the controls. It is thought that seat-belted pilots were unlikely to have been thrown clear of the tightly enclosed flight deck.

The French accident bureau promised a preliminary report on July 2. The investigators cautioned last week that it was too early to suggest a cause for Air France’s worst disaster.

Hopes of finding the two flight recorders were fading because the locator beacons are due to lose power by June 30. In the absence of distress calls and black boxes the investigators must rely on the data messages, known as Acars, which the aircraft sent to Charles de Gaulle airport.

Air France confirmed to The Times that a team of mechanics had been dispatched to meet Flight 447 on its landing to replace its pitot tubes — the external speed sensors — after the Acars messages came in.

The airline engineers in Paris had recognised the same pattern of failures which had been recorded in previous incidents and did not know at the time that the aircraft had crashed.

Leaks from Air France and pilots’ unions indicate that the airline was aware earlier than it has publicly admitted that there was a problem with the speed instruments on the fleet of long-range A330 and A340 aircraft. Air France was already in the process of replacing the pitot tubes.

Air France 447 was the 36th flight in which there had been known faulty speed readings on the A330 and A340 series operated by various airlines, said Eurocockpit, a French-language website run by pilots, including Air France crew.

The previous incidents followed the same pattern as those reported by AF447, except that the pilots were able to recover control and return to normal flight.

Because of the storm conditions maintaining control in AF447 would have been a monumental task, the website said. We have consulted the [Air France] pilots who had these pitot problems. All told us that it took a big immediate dose of lucidity to avoid distraction by the stall warnings which came with the incident and face up to the deluge of alarms.”
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Ai più non dirà nulla, a me fa un certo effetto, anzi, quando me ne sono accorto mi sono venuti i brividi.

Pensare di aver volato con quel comandante, proprio su un 330, mi fa star male.







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Sia su sky tg24 che su ansa è riportato che oggi si concludono le ricerche sia dei cadaveri, che dei rottami dell'aereo.
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...r-a330-wreckage-called-off-after-26-days.html

DATE:27/06/09
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
Surface search for A330 wreckage called off after 26 days
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Brazilian forces have called off the surface search for wreckage and victims from the crashed Air France Airbus A330, although the sub-sea effort to locate the flight recorders is continuing.

Fifty-one bodies and more than 600 structural parts of the aircraft, as well as items of baggage, have been retrieved during the 26-day search operation since the crash on 1 June.

"The technical reason behind the end of the search is the impracticality of sighting survivors or bodies, which was the primary objective of the operation," says the Brazilian defence ministry.

Over the 15-day period from 12 to 26 June, it states, only two bodies were retrieved and there has been no sighting of victims for nine days. Air France has confirmed that the aircraft's captain is among those already recovered.

Aircraft wreckage and luggage has been delivered to the French Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses, which is heading the accident inquiry.

French authorities are still co-ordinating an underwater search operation, with various vessels, to detect and locate transmissions from the cockpit-voice and flight-data recorder. While the sonic transmitters on the recorders are designed to operate for at least 30 days, this period will expire in less than a week.

Brazil's defence ministry describes the search effort for flight AF447 - which crashed while en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris - as the "largest and most complex" search and rescue operation undertaken by the country's forces at sea, covering 350,000km².
 
belumosi ha detto:
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...r-a330-wreckage-called-off-after-26-days.html

DATE:27/06/09
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
Surface search for A330 wreckage called off after 26 days
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Brazilian forces have called off the surface search for wreckage and victims from the crashed Air France Airbus A330, although the sub-sea effort to locate the flight recorders is continuing.

Fifty-one bodies and more than 600 structural parts of the aircraft, as well as items of baggage, have been retrieved during the 26-day search operation since the crash on 1 June.

"The technical reason behind the end of the search is the impracticality of sighting survivors or bodies, which was the primary objective of the operation," says the Brazilian defence ministry.

Over the 15-day period from 12 to 26 June, it states, only two bodies were retrieved and there has been no sighting of victims for nine days. Air France has confirmed that the aircraft's captain is among those already recovered.

Aircraft wreckage and luggage has been delivered to the French Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses, which is heading the accident inquiry.

French authorities are still co-ordinating an underwater search operation, with various vessels, to detect and locate transmissions from the cockpit-voice and flight-data recorder. While the sonic transmitters on the recorders are designed to operate for at least 30 days, this period will expire in less than a week.

Brazil's defence ministry describes the search effort for flight AF447 - which crashed while en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris - as the "largest and most complex" search and rescue operation undertaken by the country's forces at sea, covering 350,000km².
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Un pensiero alle vittime e anche hai parenti che non potranno neanche piangere sulla tomba dei propri cari
 
Nibbio ha detto:
Gia' e quindi mi sa che sara' difficile sapere cosa sia successo. comunque c'e' da dire che non sempre le scatole nere sono state fondamentali per risolvere alcune inchieste.
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Beh,secondo me in questo caso si sarebbero rivelate piu' che utili...data anche la carenza di altre rilevazioni strumentali,come radar o comunicazioni con i piloti...
 
Indipendentemente da altri eventi dove le scatole nere non hanno prodotto molto, son certo anche io che qui sarebbero state utilissime visto che non si nulla di nulla di concreto!!!
 
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