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Air Canada to add seats on existing 777s to drive down unit costs

Air Canada plans to spend $300 million to add seats and a premium economy section to its fleet of existing Boeing 777-300ER and 777-200LR aircraft, and expects a payback period on that investment of less than three years.
Beginning in late 2015 and continuing through 2016 Air Canada plans to reconfigure 12 of its 777-300ERs with an additional 51 seats and its six -200LRs with 31 additional seats. The carrier is extending its premium economy product to those aircraft and reconfiguring the business class section to mirror the business class cabin on its 787 featuring 180 degree full-flat seats.
Air Canada CEO Calin Rovinescu deemed the new configuration as more competitive, noting the business case for increasing the density on those aircraft is “highly compelling”.
Presently most of Air Canadaʼs 777-300ERs feature a two-class configuration with 42 international business class seats and 307 in economy. The additional 51 seats result in 400-seat configuration. The airlineʼs 777-200LRʼs currently feature 228 economy class seats and 42 in international business, and once the planned configurations are complete seating on those aircraft increases to 300.
Rovinescu stressed that the new configurations on the 777s will not reach the 458-seat density of five new 777-300ERs the carrier has added to its fleet during the last year. Those aircraft are tools “designed specifically for designated markets”, Rovincescu explained. Air Canada targets markets with those higher-density 777s featuring a higher number of leisure passengers and presently operates the aircraft on service from Montreal to Paris, Vancouver to Hong Kong and and London Heathrow and Toronto to Vancouver. Flights from Montreal to London Heathrow begin in June and continue through the end of September.
Previously, Air Canada estimated that the additional seats on the mission-specific 777s offer a 21% reduction in unit costs compared to the 777s in their current configuration. While it seems the planned new layout for the carrierʼs other 777s may create a tighter pitch in economy, the cost savings are likely too good for the carrier to pass up.
But Rovinescu also stressed Air Canada was aiming to make the product on those aircraft more consistent with the 787. The carrierʼs 787s feature three class seating – 20 in business, 21 in premium economy and 210 in economy. Business class seats on Air Canadaʼs 787s also fully recline. The delivery flight of Air Canadaʼs first 787 is scheduled for May 18.
Air Canada deems the planned new configurations a win win as CFO Michael Rousseau concluded the additional seats would harmonize the carrierʼs product offerings and create a unit cost improvement.

http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/05/15/air-canada-add-seats-existing-777s-drive-unit-costs/
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/100537/air-canada-b777-fleet-to-go-ten-across-in-economy
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

fortunati i pax di economy in futuro..
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

Tanto ormai chi è rimasto con il 3-3-3? KLM forse?

io ho volato recentemente un paio di volte con 777 della Qatar Airways ed era 3-3-3
Mi dicono anche British Airways abbia configurazione 3-3-3
 
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Tanto ormai chi è rimasto con il 3-3-3? KLM forse?
Ancora ce ne sono, ed importanti.
Facendo una piccola ricerca di operatori 777 (me ne sono sicuramente dimenticato qualcuno):

ANA
Singapore Airlines
Qatar Airways
JAL
Cathay Pacific
British Airways
KLM
Asiana
Turkish Airlines
United
Delta
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

Che amarezza. E prepariamoci alla certificazione a 11 abreast sul 380.
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

Io ho volato su United 2-4-2.
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

"eh ma gli intercontinentali costano 300/400€" in 3, 2, 1...
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

Io ho volato su United 2-4-2.

Sicuro che non fosse 2-5-2? Perché era una configurazione tipicamente americana (garantisce migliori tempi di imbarco e sbarco, perché 4 pax su 9 devono "scavalcarne" solo 1, contro i 3 su 9 della 3-3-3)
 
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"eh ma gli intercontinentali costano 300/400€" in 3, 2, 1...

Soprattutto i passeggeri di economy tendono a scegliere in funzione del prezzo e non del comfort a bordo, e quando anche ritengono di scegliere in base al comfort, è comune che sia una scelta basata su suggestioni legate al marchio o a specifiche esperienze e non all'analisi dello spazio effettivo: Emirates gode di una reputazione notevole ed è un marchio considerato diffusamente una garanzia di qualità nonostante la business class non sia sempre full flat e la economica dei 777 sia un denso 3-4-3.

E' normale che i vettori cerchino di ritagliare ulteriore margine rendendo più dense le configurazioni in economica: possono spendere la differenza in marketing, usare la differenza per ridurre i prezzi, usarla per migliorare i prodotti premium, oppure per migliorare i margini operativi che nel trasporto aereo fanno ridere.
 
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Io ho volato su United 2-4-2.

Sicuro che non fosse 2-5-2? Perché era una configurazione tipicamente americana (garantisce migliori tempi di imbarco e sbarco, perché 4 pax su 9 devono "scavalcarne" solo 1, contro i 3 su 9 della 3-3-3)

Hai ragione: ho controllato e il 772 di United nella Versione 6 (denominata Hawai'i, che è appunto quello che ho preso io) è un 2-5-2.

Le altre versioni, invece, sono anch'esse 2-5-2 o 3-3-3 (cambia il numero e l'ampiezza delle classi).
 
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Hai ragione: ho controllato e il 772 di United nella Versione 6 (denominata Hawai'i, che è appunto quello che ho preso io) è un 2-5-2.

Le altre versioni, invece, sono anch'esse 2-5-2 o 3-3-3 (cambia il numero e l'ampiezza delle classi).

Confermo, United ha l'americanissima configurazione 2-5-2. Sinceramente l'ho vista solo da loro, ma ha un senso, in quanto a meno che il volo non e' pienissimo minimizza il numero di pax da "scavalcare"...
 
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Io ho trovato la 2-5-2 anche su Air China. Ora, però non so se hano questa configurazione su tutte le macchine.Il mio era un banalissimo SHA PVG.
 
Re: Air Canada: 10-abreast in Y su tutta la flotta 777

Ancora ce ne sono, ed importanti.
Facendo una piccola ricerca di operatori 777 (me ne sono sicuramente dimenticato qualcuno):

ANA
Singapore Airlines
Qatar Airways
JAL
Cathay Pacific
British Airways
KLM
Asiana
Turkish Airlines
United
Delta

Aggiungo Thai.
 
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Air Canada defends tightly-configured economy

Published: 06/02/2015

Air Canada has defended its decision to install tightly-configured seating in economy on its B787-9 Dreamliner and B777-300ER aircraft.
Bob Atkinson, the airline's general manager of sales in the UK, Ireland and northern Europe, told Business Traveller that the carrier has a "range of products which meet a big cross-section of the travelling public".

The news that Air Canada will install 298 seats on its forthcoming B787-9 with 30 in business, 21 in premium economy and 247 in economy (see news, December 10) didn't impress our readers. Fitting ten-across economy seating on its B777-300ER was also unpopular (see news, February 2013).

But Atkinson said the layout is good news for those in economy wanting value for money, and that business travellers have premium economy and business class to choose from.

He said: "We have a range of products for the price that people are willing to pay.

"You've got people [working for] large corporations, presumably in accordance with their travel policy, in international business class.
"Then you have another brand — either because of their status within the company or because they're paying for the trip themselves as an SME — of customer who is probably paying for it themselves rather than have a corporate travel department do it... so they're looking for something as well. The international premium economy product caters for them.
"And then we have the leisure passenger who's also wanting value for money and having that number of seats in economy allows the fare levels to be set at competitive levels.
"So, we think from that point of view, we've got a range of products which meet a big cross-section of the travelling public."
The carrier currently has six B787-8 Dreamliners in its fleet. It is due to take delivery of a further nine B787-8s and 22 B787-9s by the end of 2019.
Air Canada was the second airline to move into Heathrow Terminal 2 last summer (see news, June 18), after Star Alliance partner United. It opened its Maple Leaf lounge a week later (see news, June 24).

Atkinson said the new terminal has proved a complete success for both Air Canada and passengers.


He said: "We've been really excited about this — it's been a long time coming. At last, we have a 21st century facility for the 21st century customer.

"The experience, we're finding, and the feedback we're getting from customers, is very positive and that's very good news."
He added: "We've got 22 [Star Alliance] airlines in here. So from a connectivity point of view, that's great because you don't have to spend half a day going over to another terminal or trying to navigate your way around.
"It means connection times are more competitive. It's easy."

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