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Lawmakers Want the Final Say on Air Force One Paint Job
By Marcus Weisgerber
June 4, 2019
Some U.S. lawmakers want the final say if President Trump decides to change Air Force One’s paint job from the blue-and-white livery that has adorned presidential planes for more than a half century.

Last year, Trump told CBS News that he wants to paint the new planes “red, white and blue, which I think is appropriate.”

But the House Armed Services seapower and projection forces subcommittee — in its review of the Pentagon’s 2020 budget request — has drafted legislation that would require the plane’s paint job to “comply with the criteria set forth in a report of the Boeing Company titled ‘‘Phase II Aircraft Livery and Paint Study Final Report’ as submitted to the Federal Government in April 2017.”

What’s in that report? Boeing declined to comment.

Related: New Estimate Bumps Total Air Force One Cost By Nearly One-Third
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Asked about it, a congressional staffer said, “There were some rumors some time back about proposed changes to the paint job on Air Force One. This language would prevent expenditures on those sorts of changes without Congressional approval.”

The proposed legislation also contains various clauses intended to prevent more expected price hikes in the effort to replace the two 1990s-era jetliners currently used for presidential travel. Initially projected to cost about $4 billion, the estimated price tag for the two planes, extensive modifications and new hangars currently stands around $5.3 billion. Still, Trump and the Air Force claim $1.4 billion in savings.

The subcommittee is led by Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn., who has long kept a close eye on efforts to upgrade and replace the presidential jets. Last year, Courtney questioned a $24 million no-bid contract given to Boeing to install new refrigerators on the current Air Force Ones. The Air Force eventually scrapped the refrigerator deal, which Courtney said “just didn’t pass the smell test.”

The congressional staffer said the subcommittee’s Air Force One legislation was “routine oversight of the purse strings, and ensuring that we’re exercising fiscal responsibility when it comes to an aircraft that’s already expensive to outfit in every scenario in the first place.”

Even before Trump moved into the White House, he had criticized the high price tag of replacing the pair of Boeing 747-200s that have served as Air Force One since 1990. In an effort to reduce the cost, the Air Force bought two 747-8s built for but never delivered to a Russian airline.

Last year, the Air Force awarded Boeing a $3.9 billion contract to convert those planes into customized flying White Houses. In March, the two 747-8s were flown from a storage airfield in Victorville, California, to a company modification factory in San Antonio, Texas.

The new Air Force One is expected to enter service in late 2024, so a decision about its paint job won’t be needed for a number of years. Planes are typically painted at the very end of the manufacturing process.

“This is just about ensuring that when we do make expenditures on these aircraft, there is some oversight to ensure that they’re being made for the right purposes and with the signoff of Congress,” the congressional aide said.

Because the new 747-8s are larger than the 747-200s they will replace, the Air Force must build a new secure hangar complex. In December, it awarded Clark Construction Group $298 million to build the new facility at Joint Base Andrews in the Maryland suburbs of Washington.

By Marcus Weisgerber // Marcus Weisgerber is the global business editor for Defense One, where he writes about the intersection of business and national security. He has been covering defense and national security issues for more than a decade, previously as Pentagon correspondent for Defense News and chief editor of Inside the Air Force. He has reported from Afghanistan, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia, and often travels with the defense secretary and other senior military officials.
June 4, 2019
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2019/06/lawmakers-want-final-say-air-force-one-paint-job/157488/
 

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Lawmakers Want the Final Say on Air Force One Paint Job
By Marcus Weisgerber
June 4, 2019
Some U.S. lawmakers want the final say if President Trump decides to change Air Force One’s paint job from the blue-and-white livery that has adorned presidential planes for more than a half century.

Last year, Trump told CBS News that he wants to paint the new planes “red, white and blue, which I think is appropriate.”

But the House Armed Services seapower and projection forces subcommittee — in its review of the Pentagon’s 2020 budget request — has drafted legislation that would require the plane’s paint job to “comply with the criteria set forth in a report of the Boeing Company titled ‘‘Phase II Aircraft Livery and Paint Study Final Report’ as submitted to the Federal Government in April 2017.”

What’s in that report? Boeing declined to comment.

Related: New Estimate Bumps Total Air Force One Cost By Nearly One-Third
Related: Air Force One 'Savings,' Explained
Related: Pentagon Spending $34M to Make Presidential Jets More Posh
Asked about it, a congressional staffer said, “There were some rumors some time back about proposed changes to the paint job on Air Force One. This language would prevent expenditures on those sorts of changes without Congressional approval.”

The proposed legislation also contains various clauses intended to prevent more expected price hikes in the effort to replace the two 1990s-era jetliners currently used for presidential travel. Initially projected to cost about $4 billion, the estimated price tag for the two planes, extensive modifications and new hangars currently stands around $5.3 billion. Still, Trump and the Air Force claim $1.4 billion in savings.

The subcommittee is led by Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn., who has long kept a close eye on efforts to upgrade and replace the presidential jets. Last year, Courtney questioned a $24 million no-bid contract given to Boeing to install new refrigerators on the current Air Force Ones. The Air Force eventually scrapped the refrigerator deal, which Courtney said “just didn’t pass the smell test.”

The congressional staffer said the subcommittee’s Air Force One legislation was “routine oversight of the purse strings, and ensuring that we’re exercising fiscal responsibility when it comes to an aircraft that’s already expensive to outfit in every scenario in the first place.”

Even before Trump moved into the White House, he had criticized the high price tag of replacing the pair of Boeing 747-200s that have served as Air Force One since 1990. In an effort to reduce the cost, the Air Force bought two 747-8s built for but never delivered to a Russian airline.

Last year, the Air Force awarded Boeing a $3.9 billion contract to convert those planes into customized flying White Houses. In March, the two 747-8s were flown from a storage airfield in Victorville, California, to a company modification factory in San Antonio, Texas.

The new Air Force One is expected to enter service in late 2024, so a decision about its paint job won’t be needed for a number of years. Planes are typically painted at the very end of the manufacturing process.

“This is just about ensuring that when we do make expenditures on these aircraft, there is some oversight to ensure that they’re being made for the right purposes and with the signoff of Congress,” the congressional aide said.

Because the new 747-8s are larger than the 747-200s they will replace, the Air Force must build a new secure hangar complex. In December, it awarded Clark Construction Group $298 million to build the new facility at Joint Base Andrews in the Maryland suburbs of Washington.

By Marcus Weisgerber // Marcus Weisgerber is the global business editor for Defense One, where he writes about the intersection of business and national security. He has been covering defense and national security issues for more than a decade, previously as Pentagon correspondent for Defense News and chief editor of Inside the Air Force. He has reported from Afghanistan, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia, and often travels with the defense secretary and other senior military officials.
June 4, 2019
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2019/06/lawmakers-want-final-say-air-force-one-paint-job/157488/
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Seeeee... Sarebbero capaci di dar ragione a Trump "i voti erano taroccati! I voti erano taroccati!".
E poi dovrebbero modificare la pronuncia in "ar fors an". Mmmmhhh... Me sa de no.
 

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Appunto! E Biden potrebbe prendersi quello che AMLO non vuole piu', con un grandissimo applauso da messicani e statunitensi alike. Qualche decennio fa', con i mezzi di comunicazione di quei tempi, poteva bastare un 707... Altra opzione sarebbe seguire le scelte dei giapponesi che hanno lasciato i loro 747 per due 777; in quel caso manco ci sarebbe la necessita' di costruire un nuovo hangar (assurdo...) a Andrews.
 

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Per quanto provi ribrezzo per Trump, per ciò che rappresenta e per chi, sapendo cos'è, lo vota... sulla questione AF1 devo dargli ragione. I due 748 sono stati presi come white tails, quindi nemmeno costruiti apposta (ed è un risparmio, anche se di sicuro Boeing chiederà il triplo rispetto alla norma per qualsiasi cosa) e, per dirla tutta, 747-8I > qualsiasi altro aereo. Nemmeno la livrea mi spiace, quella attuale fa un po' troppo Grande Puffo.
 

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E vai, dopo l'orrenda analoga minchiata fatta con lo US-101 tanti anni fa (derivato dall'ottimo elicottero AW-101 di Leonardo ed affossato dopo averci speso sopra carrettate di soldi per stravolgerne oltre ogni buon senso le specifiche tecniche), ecco qui un altro buco nell'acqua targato "POTUS air fleet"...
 

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Metto qui.

Probabilmente dopo essersi pentita di aver vinto il contratto per il nuovo Air Force One, Boeing si è ritirata dalla corsa per accaparrarsi un contratto da 13 miliardi di dollari per lo sviluppo della nuova postazione di comando mobile per lo Zio Sam.
Visto come marca male per Boeing Commercial, magari hanno deciso di non mandare in rosso anche le altre divisioni.

La Sierra Nevada Corporation si è aggiudicata l'appalto, sebbene non sia ancora conosciuta la piattaforma che verrà usata.
(Molto probabilmente sarà di nuovo un 747, che sarà di seconda mano per forza di cose e magari Boeing ci caverà qualche fattura.)

https://simpleflying.com/sierra-nevada-corporation-beats-boeing-us-air-force-doomsday-plane/

Sierra Nevada Corporation Beats Boeing On US Air Force Contract For New Doomsday Plane
Sierra Nevada has won the contract to build the replacement E-4B "Nightwatch" nuclear war-survivable flying emergency command center.
BY AARON SPRAY

Summary
  • The "Doomsday Plane," E-4B "Nightwatch," has served as a National Airborne Operations Center for emergencies since 1974.
  • Sierra Nevada Corp. won the $13 billion contract to build the Doomsday plane's replacement, SAOC, by 2036.
  • Boeing may be involved in modifying a Boeing 747-8 for the new Doomsday plane despite pulling out of the bidding.

The E-4B "Nightwatch" may look like Air Force One, but they are the United States National Airborne Operations Center for use in times of emergency. As they would likely be used in the event of a nuclear strike on the United States or something else of that nature, they have been nicknamed the "Doomsday Plane." However, these impressive examples of American power were first introduced in 1974 and are now getting long in the tooth. It has just been announced that Sierra Nevada Corp. has out-competed defense contractor giant Boeing to build the replacement.

Little is known about the Nightwatch replacement, partly because so much of the program is classified and partly because it is still in development. The $13 billion contract for the replacement is called the Survivable Airborne Operations Center (SAOC). The first is expected to be introduced in 2032, and the last will be completed by 2036. It is also not clear if the old aircraft will be replaced one-for-one.
It is not known what aircraft will be used to develop the SAOC. Sierra Nevada Corp. typically works with smaller aircraft modifications. However, according to Aviation Week, it is still likely to modify a Boeing 747-8i for the contract (suggesting Boeing may still be involved in some capacity). It is known that the Air Force wants an off-the-shelf aircraft, and it would need to be large. This suggests that the Boeing 747-8 would be a likely choice, despite the fact that Boeing's production line for the Jumbo jets ended in 2023.

Boeing 747-8s are also currently being modified as the Air Force One (VC-25B) replacements. However, it may have been this contract that encouraged Boeing to pull out of bidding for the contract. Boeing is taking a massive loss on building the Presidential Air Force One aircraft; Reuters reported Boeing refused to enter into a fixed-price deal and risk losing a large amount of money again.

The Air Force operates a large number of special mission aircraft types, and many are developed from small regular civilian aircraft.

The E-4B "Nightwatch"
The Air Force states the E-4B "Nightwatch" consists of four militarized Boeing 747-200 aircraft that have been extensively modified to serve as the National Airborne Operations Center of the National Military Command System for the President, his successors, the Joint Chiefs, and other important government members. They are intended for use in a national emergency and in the event that ground command and control centers are destroyed.
The Nightwatch has been designed to be a highly survivable platform so that the United States can still have a command center in a worst-case scenario. The aircraft includes a briefing room, an operations team work area, a command work area, a conference room, a communications area, and a rest area. They can seat up to 111 people and are operated by the 1st Airborne Command and Control Squadron at the Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.
 

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(Molto probabilmente sarà di nuovo un 747, che sarà di seconda mano per forza di cose e magari Boeing ci caverà qualche fattura.)
Mi auto-rispondo.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...s-us-aerospace-firm-sierra-nevada-2024-05-08/

Korean Air sells five jets to U.S. aerospace firm Sierra Nevada
May 8, 202411:46 AM GMT+2
by Lisa Barrington

SEOUL, May 8 (Reuters) - Korean Air (003490.KS) will sell five of its planes to U.S. aerospace firm Sierra Nevada Corporation, the airline said in an exchange filing on Wednesday.
Sierra Nevada recently won a $13 billion U.S. Air Force contract to develop a successor to the E-4B Nightwatch, known as the Doomsday plane due to its ability to survive a nuclear war and act as a command and control centre during emergencies.
Sierra Nevada did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Korean Air planes being sold are four-engined Boeing 747-8s, a source familiar with the matter said.

The four current E-4 planes, which have been in service since the 1970s, are modified Boeing 747-200s.

The sale, valued at 918 billion Korean won ($674 million), is in line with Korean Air's medium to long-term plan to dispose of older aircraft and replace them with newer generation ones, the Korean Air filing said.

Korean Air will sell the planes in September 2025, the filing said.
 
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https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838
Trump Wants a New Air Force One So Badly He’s Refurbishing a Qatari Plane
The luxury plane is being outfitted in Texas for Trump’s use as his frustration mounts with Boeing
By Andrew Tangel, Josh Dawsey, Sharon Terlep

President Trump is done waiting for Boeing.
Frustrated by delays on Boeing’s work to deliver a new Air Force One, Trump has commissioned a smaller defense contractor to ready an interim presidential plane by year’s end, said people with knowledge of the situation.
Boeing will continue plugging away on a pair of Air Force One replacement jets, which have fallen so far behind that Trump might not get to fly on them while in office.
The U.S. government has commissioned L3Harris to overhaul a Boeing 747 formerly used by the Qatari government. The Melbourne, Fla.-based company is tasked with retrofitting the plane with certain specialized systems to transform the luxury aircraft into a presidential jet, some of the people said.
Trump wants to have the plane available for use as early as the fall, some of the people said. He has regularly asked for updates. On April 18, the CEO of Boeing came to the Oval Office to meet with Trump, people familiar with the meeting said.
The White House, Boeing and L3Harris declined to comment.

In his first term, Trump commissioned two new presidential planes to replace a pair of aging jets, which are among the world’s most complex aircraft with communications and defensive systems that serve as a command and control platform for the commander in chief. Boeing won the $3.9 billion contract and at one point was expected to have the planes ready by last year. But it is now years behind schedule and billions of dollars over budget, after a series of supplier, engineering and manufacturing setbacks.
L3Harris has been a contractor to Boeing working on communications systems for the pair of replacement Air Force Ones. The company, a product of the 2019 tie-up between L3 Technologies and Harris Corp., aims to become an alternative to the Pentagon’s biggest suppliers and has been growing quickly. It generates roughly one-third the annual revenue of Boeing.
The interim jet would complement the current pair of aging, heavily modified Boeing 747 jets that are known by the military as VC-25A aircraft and referred to as Air Force One when the president is on board.

Before Trump’s inauguration, White House Military Office and senior Air Force officials considered canceling Boeing’s contract for the new planes, according to people familiar with the matter. White House officials under Trump have also discussed whether they can sue the plane manufacturer, some of the people said.
The U.S. Air Force has long wanted a third jet to serve as a backup when one of the current pair is undergoing maintenance, according to people familiar with the matter.

The VC-25As date to the George H.W. Bush administration and increasingly require heavy maintenance, potentially limiting the president’s transportation options on overseas missions when one of the planes is in the shop.
Around the November elections, Boeing representatives signaled to federal officials that the plane maker wouldn’t be able to deliver the new planes for about another decade—until around 2035, according to people familiar with the discussion. Boeing has, in particular, recently struggled with the planes’ complicated wiring and structural issues, including some related to holes for doors cut into the lower lobes of the aircraft, some of these people said.

During the Biden administration, Frank Kendall, the U. S. Air Force secretary at the time, considered canceling Boeing’s contract for the project. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal this week, Kendall said he had been open to weighing whether the Air Force might have to work with European plane maker Airbus, or go with a two-engine jet, rather than the four-engine 747s it has been using.
Building out an interim airplane by the end of this year poses its own challenges. The plane might not be a true VC-25A that is as capable as the current jets. A quick turnaround would likely limit modifications, said Andrew Hunter, the Air Force’s acquisition chief during the Biden administration, who wasn’t familiar with the new plans. “You could do some paint, you could do some communications upgrades, and I suspect it would be hard to do too much beyond that on that timeline,” he said.

Military officials privately discussed whether they could paint the current Air Force One jets in Trump’s favored color scheme for the incoming president, people familiar with the discussions said. The Biden White House had rejected that paint job for the future president jets, whose dark blue paint might increase the heat signature on the plane and require costly and time-consuming modifications to avoid interfering with key electronic systems.
Boeing even produced a slide deck with potential other paint schemes, including variations of Trump’s that had blue and red stripes but a gray or white underbelly, according to a Nov. 18 Boeing presentation viewed by the Journal.

Soon after his election victory, Trump initiated a series of conversations with Boeing executives and enlisted Elon Musk to help speed up the Air Force One replacement jets with the hopes of being able to fly on the plane whose price he personally negotiated, according to people familiar with the discussions.
Musk demanded detailed information about the project even before Trump was in office, according to a person familiar with the request, which made some executives at Boeing uncomfortable. Musk then regularly called Boeing officials and visited the future Air Force One jets at the company’s San Antonio facility.

In February, Trump teased publicly he might go in a different direction.
He spent more than an hour touring a Qatari-owned 747 in West Palm Beach, Fla., and said afterward that he might buy a new plane. “I’m not happy with Boeing,” he said.
Boeing didn’t comment at the time, but CEO Kelly Ortberg told investors Musk was helping to speed Boeing’s work on the replacement planes by reducing onerous requirements set by the Air Force and White House.
Musk is “able to pretty quickly ascertain the difference between technical requirements and things that we can move out of the way,” Ortberg said at a February investor conference.
Boeing has struggled with certain Federal Aviation Administration certification requirements, as well as maintaining security credentials for workers involved with the highly classified project.
“If we’re going to get this thing delivered and get it at a reasonable time and a reasonable cost, I think you have to go in and be somewhat ruthless about the requirements,” said Kendall, the former Air Force secretary.
Articolo pubblicato grazie al diritto di cronaca, articolo 65 della legge sul diritto d'autore (legge 22 aprile 1941, n. 633).
https://onemileatatime.com/news/trump-interim-new-air-force-one-747/


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Sinceramente mi pare assurdo comprare un altro 748, dopo aver speso 3.9 miliardi di dollari, anche perché comunque l'USAF e il Secret Service vorranno che siano installate tutte le suite per le comunicazioni + qualche misura di difesa attiva.
A questo punto, penso che sarebbe meglio se una piccola parte dei fondi riservati fossero dati a Boeing, così da poterci lavorare 24/7 e assumere tutto il personale di cui necessitano, visto che il problema mi pare di capire sia tutto dovuto ad aver fissato un tetto di spesa.
 
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