Abbasseranno le tariffe, è già pianificato questo.
Anche KLM avrà meno pretese per i city breaks.
Transavia: nuove rotte da Eindhoven e Rotterdam (anche Milano)
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Abbasseranno le tariffe, è già pianificato questo.
Anche KLM avrà meno pretese per i city breaks.
Considerando che HV ha sofferto molto l'entrata nel mercato di U2 sulla MXP-AMS è del tutto ipotizzabile che il volo su RTM sia operato su BGY.
Se sarà cosi BGY verrà collegata a ben tre aeroporti alternativi come RTM, EIN e NRN ma non a quello principale di AMS. Se avessero deciso di riaprire BGY-AMS è un conto ma visto che comunque devo volare in un aeroporto alternativo tanto vale prendere FR con tariffe minori.
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La tariffa base di KLM sulla MXP-AMS è 99 euro ar, intendi questa o vogliono fare tariffe ancora piu' basse?
Se si viaggia solo con bagaglio a mano ok ma con valigie pesantiil taxi è l' unica soluzione e da Rotterdam costa molto di più che da Schiphol.
Sarebbe utile per portare un po' di turisti italiani in Olanda.Avevano operato per un paio d'anni il Genova-Amsterdam poi cancellato, ora sono 2/3 anni che operato in estate il charter Rotterdam-Genova settimanale dapprima in collaborazione con MSC e poi da quest'anno solo con un t.o. locale per l'incoming. Hanno sempre messo in vendita questo volo ma a dei prezzi assurdi (tipo €150 one way), con un paio di frequenze settimanali e prezzi da vero lowcost potrebbe anche reggere, non credi?
KLM’s proposed low-cost role for Transavia to undermine Schiphol’s hub status?
2nd November, 2010
KLM let it be known it plans to reduce services to key European cities in an effort to compete better with LCCs, with fares to be available for less than EUR100. Some routes will be switched to subsidiary Transavia but there is growing political opposition to the downgrading of Schiphol Airport’s hub role in Europe
KLM appears to be concerned mainly with easyJet, which has a 15-city network from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport this winter, operating mainly from the Schengen/low-cost pier M, with routes mainly to the UK, Italy and Germany. Specifically, cities such as Barcelona, Milan and Berlin are being targeted by KLM. According to KLM Director Bram Gräber it is going to work with LCC/charter subsidiary Transavia “more aggressively and with sharper prices”. He added: “Our worldwide network is crucial but we recognise that we must also do more for the Dutch tourist”, which indicates that the indigenous tourist is to be regarded as separate from the mainline KLM (Air France/Northwest/Alitalia) arrangement, as a point-to-point traveller. KLM accounts for some 50% of flight movements at Schiphol.
Recently, another KLM Director, Pater Hartman, questioned Schiphol’s plans to increase charges for transit passengers and to encourage more budget airlines like easyJet to base themselves there, which “risks damaging the airport’s entire network”. He insisted “transfer traffic is the motor behind the KLM network and that means it drives the airport itself. Whoever does not realise that is shooting themselves in the foot.”
The disagreement over Schiphol’s future direction in this respect has spread to the Dutch Parliament, where a majority of members believes the reputation of the international hub is being undermined as the airport tries to woo budgets carriers such as easyJet and Ryanair. Parliament wants the airport to drop its plans to charge the budget airlines lower landing fees, while raising the charges for transit passengers. The argument for this demand is that it is the well-established airlines, including "home" company KLM, which depend most on this transit traffic. Accordingly, it appears as if KLM is taking a belt and braces approach.
A nation in transit
The politicians argue that The Netherlands is a country of transit – of goods and people. Rotterdam’s port – the largest in Europe – and the goods that pass through it to reach Germany and much of the rest of the European Union, are the source of a considerable portion of the country’s income. The transit market has also been a key element of business policy at Amsterdam Schiphol for decades. The new right-wing Dutch government’s coalition agreement refers – as have many government memoranda of the past - to the vital importance of Schiphol’s role as a transit hub both for the national economy as well as that of the greater Amsterdam region. It also adds to the attractiveness of Amsterdam and the surrounding area as a place where international businesses may choose to locate.
In fact, one (Christian Democrat) MP has gone so far as to state: "Schiphol has launched an airline war with the major companies …this strikes at the very heart of the carefully established hub operation.”
Fading influence
Schiphol is the 14th largest airport in the world and fifth largest in Europe, behind London Heathrow, Paris Charles de Gaulle, Frankfurt International and Madrid Barajas, which has overtaken it within the last two years. In 2009, Schiphol handled 43.5 million passengers (-8.1%, influenced partially by the now withdrawn Dutch aviation/environment tax), compared with more than 66 million at Heathrow (-1.5%) and there is a growing feeling that its influence, despite its excellent position in northwest Europe, is waning. Much of that 8.1% traffic loss was attributed to KLM and its partners.
Schiphol has long been known for its transit facilities. All surface journeys between connecting flights taken place indoors – there are no bus transfers required - with comprehensive use of moving walkways. And it remains a single terminal facility, albeit a very large one, which is always attractive to frequent business passengers.
The airport company states it wants to maintain its competitive edge by attracting the budget airlines, which would otherwise opt to use smaller airports elsewhere in the Netherlands (actually, there is some evidence of that happening at airports like Eindhoven and Maastricht with Ryanair though neither of those airports are bases for the airline, but easyJet seems committed to Amsterdam since the tourist tax was removed), or just over the border in Germany or Belgium (Ryanair has a base at Weeze on the German/Dutch border).
With the majority of the Netherland’s political parties all critical of Schiphol’s plans, it is doubtful whether it will be able to push ahead with them. The airport may be an independent company, but the Dutch state owns almost 70% of its shares. Political considerations have also prevented the privatisation of the Schiphol Group, leaving it one of the few major airports in Europe not be at least partially privatised.
KLM increasing capacity where business loyalty remains strong
While some of the routes where Transavia might operate in lieu of KLM have been suggested already there are clearly some routes where KLM believes the Schiphol hub network should continue to be maximised. For example, at the end of Oct-2010 it announced it would increase capacity on three Scottish routes – Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen - next April. The carrier already operates Scotland's most frequent international routes with around 60% of its Scottish passengers connecting with European and long-haul services at Amsterdam. In the late 1980s and 1990s Schiphol made a bold claim that it was ‘London’s third airport’ and attracted loyalty from business travellers in the east of the UK in particular that still remains today.
The bigger picture for Air France-KLM and AdP
One question that has not yet been posed is what both Air France and Aeroports de Paris (AdP) think about this diminution of KLM and Schiphol’s hub credentials? Air France is entitled to a view as a consequence of its merger with KLM. It could not really be seen to be doing the same in Paris as AF does not have a comparable LCC to Transavia to start with. Meanwhile, Schiphol Group has a co-operation agreement with AdP and cross-share holding, by which one would expect them to ‘sing from the same hymn sheet.’
Air France-KLM’s CEO, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon announced recently that the group has upwardly revised its operating result expectations for the 12 months ending 31-Mar-2011, given the revenue performance of recent months, together with the current level of forward bookings. It now expects operating results to be positive, except in the case of a major adverse event. The group previously stated it expected to break even at the operating level for the year, excluding the impact of airspace closure in Apr-2010, with losses estimated at EUR158 million. Air France-KLM will report 1H2010-11 results on 17-Nov-2010.
The financial position of Transavia is not clear. Air France-KLM is known to be taking measures to reduce losses at the subsidiary, which currently flies 33 regular and 19 seasonal routes at Schiphol from five different piers. It also has secondary bases at Rotterdam/The Hague, Eindhoven and Copenhagen (Transavia Denmark) airports. Transavia was primarily a charter airline with an LCC subsidiary, Basiq Air. To strengthen its brand image, the two were combined under the transavia.com name in Jan-2005.
Air France-KLM is also uncertain about its other Dutch subsidiary, Martinair, and may end passenger services. Martinair has been evolving into a cargo airline over the last two years and is thought now to be the largest provider of airfreight capacity worldwide.
http://www.centreforaviation.com/ne...savia-to-undermine-schiphols-hub-status/page1
2nd November, 2010
KLM let it be known it plans to reduce services to key European cities in an effort to compete better with LCCs, with fares to be available for less than EUR100. Some routes will be switched to subsidiary Transavia but there is growing political opposition to the downgrading of Schiphol Airport’s hub role in Europe
KLM appears to be concerned mainly with easyJet, which has a 15-city network from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport this winter, operating mainly from the Schengen/low-cost pier M, with routes mainly to the UK, Italy and Germany. Specifically, cities such as Barcelona, Milan and Berlin are being targeted by KLM. According to KLM Director Bram Gräber it is going to work with LCC/charter subsidiary Transavia “more aggressively and with sharper prices”. He added: “Our worldwide network is crucial but we recognise that we must also do more for the Dutch tourist”, which indicates that the indigenous tourist is to be regarded as separate from the mainline KLM (Air France/Northwest/Alitalia) arrangement, as a point-to-point traveller. KLM accounts for some 50% of flight movements at Schiphol.
Recently, another KLM Director, Pater Hartman, questioned Schiphol’s plans to increase charges for transit passengers and to encourage more budget airlines like easyJet to base themselves there, which “risks damaging the airport’s entire network”. He insisted “transfer traffic is the motor behind the KLM network and that means it drives the airport itself. Whoever does not realise that is shooting themselves in the foot.”
The disagreement over Schiphol’s future direction in this respect has spread to the Dutch Parliament, where a majority of members believes the reputation of the international hub is being undermined as the airport tries to woo budgets carriers such as easyJet and Ryanair. Parliament wants the airport to drop its plans to charge the budget airlines lower landing fees, while raising the charges for transit passengers. The argument for this demand is that it is the well-established airlines, including "home" company KLM, which depend most on this transit traffic. Accordingly, it appears as if KLM is taking a belt and braces approach.
A nation in transit
The politicians argue that The Netherlands is a country of transit – of goods and people. Rotterdam’s port – the largest in Europe – and the goods that pass through it to reach Germany and much of the rest of the European Union, are the source of a considerable portion of the country’s income. The transit market has also been a key element of business policy at Amsterdam Schiphol for decades. The new right-wing Dutch government’s coalition agreement refers – as have many government memoranda of the past - to the vital importance of Schiphol’s role as a transit hub both for the national economy as well as that of the greater Amsterdam region. It also adds to the attractiveness of Amsterdam and the surrounding area as a place where international businesses may choose to locate.
In fact, one (Christian Democrat) MP has gone so far as to state: "Schiphol has launched an airline war with the major companies …this strikes at the very heart of the carefully established hub operation.”
Fading influence
Schiphol is the 14th largest airport in the world and fifth largest in Europe, behind London Heathrow, Paris Charles de Gaulle, Frankfurt International and Madrid Barajas, which has overtaken it within the last two years. In 2009, Schiphol handled 43.5 million passengers (-8.1%, influenced partially by the now withdrawn Dutch aviation/environment tax), compared with more than 66 million at Heathrow (-1.5%) and there is a growing feeling that its influence, despite its excellent position in northwest Europe, is waning. Much of that 8.1% traffic loss was attributed to KLM and its partners.
Schiphol has long been known for its transit facilities. All surface journeys between connecting flights taken place indoors – there are no bus transfers required - with comprehensive use of moving walkways. And it remains a single terminal facility, albeit a very large one, which is always attractive to frequent business passengers.
The airport company states it wants to maintain its competitive edge by attracting the budget airlines, which would otherwise opt to use smaller airports elsewhere in the Netherlands (actually, there is some evidence of that happening at airports like Eindhoven and Maastricht with Ryanair though neither of those airports are bases for the airline, but easyJet seems committed to Amsterdam since the tourist tax was removed), or just over the border in Germany or Belgium (Ryanair has a base at Weeze on the German/Dutch border).
With the majority of the Netherland’s political parties all critical of Schiphol’s plans, it is doubtful whether it will be able to push ahead with them. The airport may be an independent company, but the Dutch state owns almost 70% of its shares. Political considerations have also prevented the privatisation of the Schiphol Group, leaving it one of the few major airports in Europe not be at least partially privatised.
KLM increasing capacity where business loyalty remains strong
While some of the routes where Transavia might operate in lieu of KLM have been suggested already there are clearly some routes where KLM believes the Schiphol hub network should continue to be maximised. For example, at the end of Oct-2010 it announced it would increase capacity on three Scottish routes – Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen - next April. The carrier already operates Scotland's most frequent international routes with around 60% of its Scottish passengers connecting with European and long-haul services at Amsterdam. In the late 1980s and 1990s Schiphol made a bold claim that it was ‘London’s third airport’ and attracted loyalty from business travellers in the east of the UK in particular that still remains today.
The bigger picture for Air France-KLM and AdP
One question that has not yet been posed is what both Air France and Aeroports de Paris (AdP) think about this diminution of KLM and Schiphol’s hub credentials? Air France is entitled to a view as a consequence of its merger with KLM. It could not really be seen to be doing the same in Paris as AF does not have a comparable LCC to Transavia to start with. Meanwhile, Schiphol Group has a co-operation agreement with AdP and cross-share holding, by which one would expect them to ‘sing from the same hymn sheet.’
Air France-KLM’s CEO, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon announced recently that the group has upwardly revised its operating result expectations for the 12 months ending 31-Mar-2011, given the revenue performance of recent months, together with the current level of forward bookings. It now expects operating results to be positive, except in the case of a major adverse event. The group previously stated it expected to break even at the operating level for the year, excluding the impact of airspace closure in Apr-2010, with losses estimated at EUR158 million. Air France-KLM will report 1H2010-11 results on 17-Nov-2010.
The financial position of Transavia is not clear. Air France-KLM is known to be taking measures to reduce losses at the subsidiary, which currently flies 33 regular and 19 seasonal routes at Schiphol from five different piers. It also has secondary bases at Rotterdam/The Hague, Eindhoven and Copenhagen (Transavia Denmark) airports. Transavia was primarily a charter airline with an LCC subsidiary, Basiq Air. To strengthen its brand image, the two were combined under the transavia.com name in Jan-2005.
Air France-KLM is also uncertain about its other Dutch subsidiary, Martinair, and may end passenger services. Martinair has been evolving into a cargo airline over the last two years and is thought now to be the largest provider of airfreight capacity worldwide.
http://www.centreforaviation.com/ne...savia-to-undermine-schiphols-hub-status/page1
Potrebbero quindi decidere di passare alcune rotte Europee da AMS a essere gestite da Transavia ma dovrebbero comunque garantire i transiti altrimenti perdono tutti i pax sul LR originanti da questi mercati.
Domani sarà in vendita la S11 di Transavia NL.
In sintesi, nuove rotte :
da AMS : LIS (1xd), ATH (1xd)
da RTM : PRG (4xw), MXP (4xw), VIE (4xw), MAD (4xw) + MPL, TLN, BIQ in Francia
da EIN : IBZ, PMI, BCN, NCE (+ incrementi su rotte esistenti AGP, FAO)
da GRQ : AGP (2xw)
Potrebbero comunque esserci cambiamenti operativi (frequenze) su rotte storiche, domani si vedrà.
In totale HV volerà verso 29 destinazioni, con 42 rotte.
http://www.transavia.com/hv/main/news?id=verkoop_zomer_2011
In sintesi, nuove rotte :
da AMS : LIS (1xd), ATH (1xd)
da RTM : PRG (4xw), MXP (4xw), VIE (4xw), MAD (4xw) + MPL, TLN, BIQ in Francia
da EIN : IBZ, PMI, BCN, NCE (+ incrementi su rotte esistenti AGP, FAO)
da GRQ : AGP (2xw)
Potrebbero comunque esserci cambiamenti operativi (frequenze) su rotte storiche, domani si vedrà.
In totale HV volerà verso 29 destinazioni, con 42 rotte.
http://www.transavia.com/hv/main/news?id=verkoop_zomer_2011
Meglio MXP di BGY. Non un collegamento che fa la differenza per Malpensa, ma in tempi di magra prendi pure e porta a casa.
L'ultimo collegamento su Rotterdam da Milano credo risalga ai tempi di Volareweb e ancora prima Azzurra Air.
Correggetemi se sbaglio.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031004145026/www.azzurraair.it/eng/News_scheda.asp?G=2&ID=2
Correggetemi se sbaglio.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031004145026/www.azzurraair.it/eng/News_scheda.asp?G=2&ID=2
Bene la nuova rotta MXP-RTM 4x week ma per una valutazione aspettiamo di vedere gli operativi con giorni e orari che secondo me saranno decisivi per il successo o meno della rotta, ho comunque molti dubbi sulla riuscita di questa rotta, sulla MXP-RTM ci aveva già provato Volareweb fallendo miseramentete, la rottà durò solo pochi mesi, vediamo se a Transavia andrà meglio.
MXP-RTM
Lun 21.00-22.40
Mer 14.10-15.50
Gio 16.00-17.40
Sab 15.30-17.10
One-way dall'Italia da €39,74
RTM-MXP
Lun 18.40-20.20
Mer 11.50-13.30
Gio 13.40-15.20
Sab 13.10-14.50
One-way dai Paesi Bassi da €53,39
Operativo perfetto per i week-ends
Lun 21.00-22.40
Mer 14.10-15.50
Gio 16.00-17.40
Sab 15.30-17.10
One-way dall'Italia da €39,74
RTM-MXP
Lun 18.40-20.20
Mer 11.50-13.30
Gio 13.40-15.20
Sab 13.10-14.50
One-way dai Paesi Bassi da €53,39
Operativo perfetto per i week-ends
MXP-RTM
Lun 21.00-22.40
Mer 14.10-15.50
Gio 16.00-17.40
Sab 15.30-17.10
One-way dall'Italia da €39,74
RTM-MXP
Lun 18.40-20.20
Mer 11.50-13.30
Gio 13.40-15.20
Sab 13.10-14.50
One-way dai Paesi Bassi da €53,39
Operativo perfetto per i week-ends
ehehe allora Cesare dirà che fallirà miseramente!
Temo che a Cesare.Caldi non piacerà
RTM è il primo o il secondo porto come traffico merci del continente, inoltre
a pochi km c'è l'Aja la capitale olandese molto bella, solo la visita al
maurithujs museum vale il viaggio
RTM è il primo o il secondo porto come traffico merci del continente, inoltre
a pochi km c'è l'Aja la capitale olandese molto bella, solo la visita al
maurithujs museum vale il viaggio
Mi sembrava di ricordare che RTM fosse abbastanza saturo, per via delle limitazioni all'inquinamento acustico e la vicinanza alla citta'. Se non ricordo male, qualche tempo fa, la stampa locale aveva riportato che "perfino" i voli degli aerei di stato/militari impiegati dalla famiglia reale avrebbero subito limitazioni di orario e/o numero e che le possibilita' di espansione di RTM erano praticamente nulle.
Questi nuovi voli di HV sono nuovi slot o rimpiazzano rotte esistenti?
Sono cambiate le restrizioni che limitavano la crescita di RTM, per esempio a seguito dell'introduzione delle misure di Lden, come suggerisce questa pagina http://www.rotterdamthehagueairport.nl/index.php?pageID=174 ?
Oppure e' semplicemente la mia eta' che galoppa e mi sono sognato il primo paragrafo?
Questi nuovi voli di HV sono nuovi slot o rimpiazzano rotte esistenti?
Sono cambiate le restrizioni che limitavano la crescita di RTM, per esempio a seguito dell'introduzione delle misure di Lden, come suggerisce questa pagina http://www.rotterdamthehagueairport.nl/index.php?pageID=174 ?
Oppure e' semplicemente la mia eta' che galoppa e mi sono sognato il primo paragrafo?
sarà contenta una mia amica che ha il fidanzato a Dordrecht che utilizza FR su EIN. Ora sarà decisamente più comodo raggiungere Rotterdam.
Operativo davvero sballato, con orari varibili, e ben due voli su quattro concentrati a centro settimana ,inoltre il volo ha orari diversi ogni giorno giusto per complicarlo per bene. I prezzi base sono già alti specie in raffronto alla concorrenza, se vogliono proporre questo volo come alternantiva low cost per volare ad AMS falliranno alla grande, c'è Easyjet 3x daily a prezzi piu' bassi e anche la stessa KLM offre voli MXP-AMS a partire da 99 euro ar tutto compreso. Non c'è paragone.
Se invece l'obbiettivo è proprio il p2p Milano-Rotterdam non so che tipo di traffico ci possa essere ma mi sembra una rotta molto di nicchia, ci ha già provato Volareweb con esiti disastrosi la rotta è stata chiusa dopo pochi mesi.
In ogni caso in bocca la lupo a Transavia ne hanno davvero bisogno