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Finalmente, il primo articolo che mette a nudo i risultati disastrosi di LHI.
Un profondo conoscitore del mercato italiano è esattamente quello che serve a LHI, ovvero un furbetto di quartiere.
 
Non credo che i problemi si risolvono cambiando la sig.ra al vertice, anche perchè sicuramente lei segue le direttive che arrivano da Colonia. Non decide lei quanti aerei devono essere basati a MXP.
 
Non credo che serva un fenomeno, servono aerei LR che LH non può o non vuole basare su MXP. E i relativi feed.
Una copia più costosa di U2, quale è attualmente LHI, non credo abbia grosse possibilità, stessa cosa per i futuri voli AP (esclusi quelli protetti da bilaterali).
 
Non credo che i problemi si risolvono cambiando la sig.ra al vertice, anche perchè sicuramente lei segue le direttive che arrivano da Colonia. Non decide lei quanti aerei devono essere basati a MXP.

Ma chi ha mai detto MXP, quello di cui ha bisogno LHI è uno che ciurlando nel manico faccia saltare fuori degli slot a LIN. MXP è morta quando Bersani non ha trasferito quello che doveva trasferire.
 
Di positivo c' è che si sono accorti che bisogna cambiare (o chiudere).

Di negativo c'è invece che dimostrano di non avere assolutamente previsto niente di quanto è poi accaduto (e si sa bene come non sia solo effetto della crisi economica). Ecco i grandi conoscitori del mercato milanese.

Non credo che serva un fenomeno, servono aerei LR che LH non può o non vuole basare su MXP. E i relativi feed.
Una copia più costosa di U2, quale è attualmente LHI, non credo abbia grosse possibilità, stessa cosa per i futuri voli AP (esclusi quelli protetti da bilaterali).

Mi chiedo sempre di più quindi a cosa serva/servisse basare gli A319. Una prima fase che non poteva essere fine a se stessa, sarebbe stata sostenibile solo in ottica feed. Ora, visti i risultati, si dice che non si prevede (a tempo indefinito) nessun LR da feederare. E' il cane che si morde la coda.
 
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Ma chi ha mai detto MXP, quello di cui ha bisogno LHI è uno che ciurlando nel manico faccia saltare fuori degli slot a LIN. MXP è morta quando Bersani non ha trasferito quello che doveva trasferire.

E allora portiamo tutto a Linate... ma come caxxo si fa ancora a pensare che LIN possa gestire tutto il traffico?
 
Lufthansa Italia close Milan – Rome sales


As per GDS inventory display on 13JAN10, Lufthansa Italia appears to have temporary closed the sale and reservation on its 4 Daily Milan Malpensa – Rome route, starting 01MAR10
 
Intervista piu' dettagliata ad Heike Birlenbach

Interview: Lufthansa Italia CEO Heike Birlenbach

DATE:19/01/10
SOURCE:Airline Business
By Graham Dunn

In February 2009 Lufthansa launched its first new airline operation outside of Germany with the Milan Malpensa-based Lufthansa Italia operation. Fast forward almost a year and 800,000 passengers later, the airline's chief executive Heiki Birlenbach pronounces herself pleased with the passenger response to the new operation, but keen for the carrier to develop its own individual, Italian presence in the market.
"We learnt a lot of lessons and one of the lessons is you can't just copy and paste an airline and start somewhere else and believe everything will work out the way it does in your own home market," she explains. "This was one of the biggest learnings and out of this a lot of other things come up. If you go to a different market, even in Europe where things are quite similar, you are still in a very different market. So the way to manage this business in how you approach the market is highly individualised. You really need to think what are the things it makes sense to take over [from the parent company] and what are the things that you should do differently.

"We as Lufthansa cannot just say we are Italian. It would not be authentic. So it is more of a combination, being a little bit Italian by the onboard experience with Italian speaking staff, food onboard and really look at the detail to make sure it is typical Italian. But it will still be Lufthansa and present the values of Lufthansa."
This in part explains why the carrier is keen to secure its Italian air operator's certificate - it has been operating under the Lufthansa AOC since its launch. "We are in intense discussions with ENAC on a daily basis and we believe the AOC can get granted very shortly. I would say in the next few weeks we should get it."
It will be a significant step as the carrier seeks to position itself in the market in its own right as an Italian carrier, differentiating itself from its parent. "Customers that have experienced Lufthansa Italia have an understanding and they realise the little differences," she says, for example pointing to the newly launched Lufthansa Italia all you can fly initiatives - a pricing package not available at Lufthansa. "[But] With the general public so far I still don't think we have succeeded in making it clear to everybody that there is a difference between Lufthansa and Lufthansa Italia. So this is why we are working on a communications concept right now to have a more dedicated positioning of Lufthansa Italia."
The carrier currently operates to seven international and three domestic destinations. It will expand this from March having just announced plans to add flights to Stockholm and Warsaw, and domestic connections to Palermo and Olbia. But it has conceded defeat, at least from Malpensa, in its efforts to compete on the key Milan-Rome link against the Alitalia Air One monopoly currently in place linking Milan's downtown Linate airport with Fiumicino. It is suspending its Malpensa-Rome connection from 16 February and will instead press for Linate route rights.
"We would really like to offer these Linate-Rome services from our side since for those short city-to-city connections, it is difficult to sell that out of Malpensa," says Birlenbach. "So we do everything we can in terms of talking to the politicians locally, checking out the possibilities via the European Commission, to see if there are options for us to open the window to fly those routes."
Lufthansa launched the Italian carrier launched to take advantage of a gap left after the new Alitalia's decision to scale back its hub presence at Malpensa, a move which sees Lufthansa Italia and UK budget carrier easyJetas the largest operators at Malpensa.
Birlenbach stresses the potential for the Milan market and Lombardy region, though acknowledges the carrier has - like virtually all carriers - been impacted by the economic crisis. "Of course it affected us in terms of passenger figures. If I look at the business plan we had in mind, which was before the crisis even started, of course it is a lot different nowadays, but they are a lot different in the overall airline industry. There was a decision to be made whether to wait or to start anyway, and Lufthansa decided to start anyway because there is only a certain point you get to start.
"I still believe it was a good thing to have started in 2009 despite the difficult times, also in terms of positioning ourselves and it really shows our commitment to the market. How could you better explain that to the region than invest in times like these?"
 
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Intervista piu' dettagliata ad Heike Birlenbach

Interview: Lufthansa Italia CEO Heike Birlenbach

DATE:19/01/10
SOURCE:Airline Business
By Graham Dunn

In February 2009 Lufthansa launched its first new airline operation outside of Germany with the Milan Malpensa-based Lufthansa Italia operation. Fast forward almost a year and 800,000 passengers later, the airline's chief executive Heiki Birlenbach pronounces herself pleased with the passenger response to the new operation, but keen for the carrier to develop its own individual, Italian presence in the market.
"We learnt a lot of lessons and one of the lessons is you can't just copy and paste an airline and start somewhere else and believe everything will work out the way it does in your own home market," she explains. "This was one of the biggest learnings and out of this a lot of other things come up. If you go to a different market, even in Europe where things are quite similar, you are still in a very different market. So the way to manage this business in how you approach the market is highly individualised. You really need to think what are the things it makes sense to take over [from the parent company] and what are the things that you should do differently.

"We as Lufthansa cannot just say we are Italian. It would not be authentic. So it is more of a combination, being a little bit Italian by the onboard experience with Italian speaking staff, food onboard and really look at the detail to make sure it is typical Italian. But it will still be Lufthansa and present the values of Lufthansa."
This in part explains why the carrier is keen to secure its Italian air operator's certificate - it has been operating under the Lufthansa AOC since its launch. "We are in intense discussions with ENAC on a daily basis and we believe the AOC can get granted very shortly. I would say in the next few weeks we should get it."
It will be a significant step as the carrier seeks to position itself in the market in its own right as an Italian carrier, differentiating itself from its parent. "Customers that have experienced Lufthansa Italia have an understanding and they realise the little differences," she says, for example pointing to the newly launched Lufthansa Italia all you can fly initiatives - a pricing package not available at Lufthansa. "[But] With the general public so far I still don't think we have succeeded in making it clear to everybody that there is a difference between Lufthansa and Lufthansa Italia. So this is why we are working on a communications concept right now to have a more dedicated positioning of Lufthansa Italia."
The carrier currently operates to seven international and three domestic destinations. It will expand this from March having just announced plans to add flights to Stockholm and Warsaw, and domestic connections to Palermo and Olbia. But it has conceded defeat, at least from Malpensa, in its efforts to compete on the key Milan-Rome link against the Alitalia Air One monopoly currently in place linking Milan's downtown Linate airport with Fiumicino. It is suspending its Malpensa-Rome connection from 16 February and will instead press for Linate route rights.
"We would really like to offer these Linate-Rome services from our side since for those short city-to-city connections, it is difficult to sell that out of Malpensa," says Birlenbach. "So we do everything we can in terms of talking to the politicians locally, checking out the possibilities via the European Commission, to see if there are options for us to open the window to fly those routes."
Lufthansa launched the Italian carrier launched to take advantage of a gap left after the new Alitalia's decision to scale back its hub presence at Malpensa, a move which sees Lufthansa Italia and UK budget carrier easyJetas the largest operators at Malpensa.
Birlenbach stresses the potential for the Milan market and Lombardy region, though acknowledges the carrier has - like virtually all carriers - been impacted by the economic crisis. "Of course it affected us in terms of passenger figures. If I look at the business plan we had in mind, which was before the crisis even started, of course it is a lot different nowadays, but they are a lot different in the overall airline industry. There was a decision to be made whether to wait or to start anyway, and Lufthansa decided to start anyway because there is only a certain point you get to start.
"I still believe it was a good thing to have started in 2009 despite the difficult times, also in terms of positioning ourselves and it really shows our commitment to the market. How could you better explain that to the region than invest in times like these?"
 
"We learnt a lot of lessons and one of the lessons is you can't just copy and paste an airline and start somewhere else and believe everything will work out the way it does in your own home market," she explains. "This was one of the biggest learnings and out of this a lot of other things come up. If you go to a different market, even in Europe where things are quite similar, you are still in a very different market.
Ho raramente letto un' ovvietà simile. Lo sa chiunque abbia fatto mezz' ora di corso di International Business.

"Customers that have experienced Lufthansa Italia have an understanding and they realise the little differences," she says, for example pointing to the newly launched Lufthansa Italia all you can fly initiatives - a pricing package not available at Lufthansa. "[But] With the general public so far I still don't think we have succeeded in making it clear to everybody that there is a difference between Lufthansa and Lufthansa Italia. So this is why we are working on a communications concept right now to have a more dedicated positioning of Lufthansa Italia."
Penso che sia un grave errore. I clienti di LH Italia desiderano un prodotto che sia "Lufthansa", non che sia "Italia". Per quello c' è già Alitalia.

"We would really like to offer these Linate-Rome services from our side since for those short city-to-city connections, it is difficult to sell that out of Malpensa
Fra un anno si accorgerà che è difficile vendere qualche altra rotta che la concorrenza propone da Linate?

"So we do everything we can in terms of talking to the politicians locally, checking out the possibilities via the European Commission, to see if there are options for us to open the window to fly those routes."
Era ora. Magari, nella stessa gita a Bruxelles, che facciano dare un' occhiata a come viene applicato il Bersani bis.

Birlenbach stresses the potential for the Milan market and Lombardy region, though acknowledges the carrier has - like virtually all carriers - been impacted by the economic crisis. "Of course it affected us in terms of passenger figures. If I look at the business plan we had in mind, which was before the crisis even started, of course it is a lot different nowadays, but they are a lot different in the overall airline industry. There was a decision to be made whether to wait or to start anyway, and Lufthansa decided to start anyway because there is only a certain point you get to start.
Probabilmente è vero, aspettando qualche anno avrebbero trovato MXP completamente saturato da esyJet.

How could you better explain that to the region than invest in times like these?
Ma ci fa o ci è?
Apra un paio di intercontinentali.
 
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