JAL... resta in Oneworld
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Guardando quello che manca nel network di ST, penso LAN per il sud America e Quantas per l'Oceania; queste mi sembrano le più appetibili per coprire le zone ancora non raggiunte da un alleato locale.
Discorso diverso per JAL che sarebbe un ottimo acquisto, ma non prioritario come estensione della rete, esiste già un piccolo hub di DL a Tokyo.
Altra piccola considerazione, Finnair come pertner per l'Europa del nord non sarebbe male, però anche quì c'è AMS che federa bene.
Francamente le altre sarebbero delle sovrapposizioni di vettori già presenti.
Comunque se fosse possibile li prenderei tutti, si parla comunque del firor fiore dei vettori
Guardando quello che manca nel network di ST, penso LAN per il sud America e Quantas per l'Oceania; queste mi sembrano le più appetibili per coprire le zone ancora non raggiunte da un alleato locale.
Discorso diverso per JAL che sarebbe un ottimo acquisto, ma non prioritario come estensione della rete, esiste già un piccolo hub di DL a Tokyo.
Altra piccola considerazione, Finnair come pertner per l'Europa del nord non sarebbe male, però anche quì c'è AMS che federa bene.
Francamente le altre sarebbero delle sovrapposizioni di vettori già presenti.
Comunque se fosse possibile li prenderei tutti, si parla comunque del firor fiore dei vettori
Qantas è un membro fondatore di Oneworld, vabbè che business is business ma non ce la vedo a passare ad un'altra alleanza.
Concordo su LAN, se va in porto l'accordo con JAL è comunque un bel colpo, anche se non locale, per i collegamenti con Asia e Oceania.
Con il probabile arrivo di Vietnam Airlines, China Eastern, Tarom e forse Garuda dal 2011 si chiude il cerchio con il profittevole mercato Asiatico/Est Europeo.
Il sogno rimane una big tra EK, QR ed EY.
Ma la domanda era: a chi faresti la corte, cioè quale sarebbe la più consona (come business) ad entrare nell'alleanza; poi concordo che sia un fondatore e quindi, a meno di una disgregazione totale, è difficilissimo che esca.
QR è molto vicina a SA, per le altre non saprei dire, mi sembra che ora abbiano un approccio stile MH, con c/s mirati e basta; per il futuro non saprei.
Era deputata ad entrare in ST, poi non so il motivo si è fermato tutto.
Ottima compagnia, però con l'entrata di Vietnam Airlines e quella possibile di Garunda, mi pare che si chiudano un poco gli spazi dell'area del sud-est asiatico.
Io comunque ci spero
Pare che lunedì il nuovo CEO di JAL ufficializzerà il passaggio da oneworld a SkyTeam (tramite la nuova partnership con Delta).
Si parla anche di un possibile volo Haneda-AMS (attualmente è da Narita ovviamente).
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100128p2a00m0na005000c.html
Si parla anche di un possibile volo Haneda-AMS (attualmente è da Narita ovviamente).
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100128p2a00m0na005000c.html
Perché quest' anno verrà aperta una nuova pista, insieme ad un nuovo terminal per i voli internazionali.
Si avevo letto della nuova pista ad haneda e ne sono felice (con la monorotaia arrivo davanti al mio albergo a Shimbashi in 15 minuti conro l'ora o quasi con il seppur ottimo Narita express) ma a Narita allora non c'è verso di completare il progetto delle piste?
Annuncio futuro JAL entro domani?
Monday February 1, 2010
Japan Airlines could make an announcement regarding a potential partnership with either American Airlines or Delta Air Lines, and its alliance future, as early as Tuesday, ATWOnline understands. New CEO Kazuo Inamori has met with top executives from both AA and DL. Last Friday, Mainichi Shimbun reported that JAL has chosen Delta and SkyTeam. A Nikkei report cited by the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation said the Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corporation of Japan, which is overseeing JAL's restructuring, would make the final decision after Inamori's input. AA Chairman and CEO Gerard Arpey has warned that AA will "move aggressively to block" a JAL-DL tie-up on antitrust grounds.
by Geoffrey Thomas
ATWOnline
Monday February 1, 2010
Japan Airlines could make an announcement regarding a potential partnership with either American Airlines or Delta Air Lines, and its alliance future, as early as Tuesday, ATWOnline understands. New CEO Kazuo Inamori has met with top executives from both AA and DL. Last Friday, Mainichi Shimbun reported that JAL has chosen Delta and SkyTeam. A Nikkei report cited by the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation said the Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corporation of Japan, which is overseeing JAL's restructuring, would make the final decision after Inamori's input. AA Chairman and CEO Gerard Arpey has warned that AA will "move aggressively to block" a JAL-DL tie-up on antitrust grounds.
by Geoffrey Thomas
ATWOnline
appena apparso su Reuters: JAL says still neutral on Delta or American tie-up
Reuters - JAL wants to make decision on Delta/American soon-president
TOKYO, Feb 1 - The new president of Japan Airlines Corp said the bankrupt carrier has not yet decided whether to stick with partner American Airlines or defect to Delta Air Lines and its SkyTeam group.
"We are still neutral," Masaru Onishi, also the carrier's new chief operating officer, told a news conference on Monday, a little less than two weeks after it filed for bankruptcy.
Onishi is part of a new management team led by chief executive Kazuo Inamori, the 77-year-old founder of electronics maker Kyocera Corp.
One of the new management's first major decisions will be whether to stay with Oneworld alliance partner American Airlines or switch to rival Delta. Both U.S. carriers have been wooing JAL aggressively with offers of financial aid.
JAL, Asia's largest carrier by revenues, filed for bankruptcy protection last month with about $25 billion in debt, and vowed to slash about a third of its work force and cut unprofitable routes as part of a state-supported restructuring plan.
Some Japanese media had previously reported that JAL had already made a decision to end its alliance with American and join hands with Delta.
Reuters - JAL wants to make decision on Delta/American soon-president
TOKYO, Feb 1 - The new president of Japan Airlines Corp said the bankrupt carrier has not yet decided whether to stick with partner American Airlines or defect to Delta Air Lines and its SkyTeam group.
"We are still neutral," Masaru Onishi, also the carrier's new chief operating officer, told a news conference on Monday, a little less than two weeks after it filed for bankruptcy.
Onishi is part of a new management team led by chief executive Kazuo Inamori, the 77-year-old founder of electronics maker Kyocera Corp.
One of the new management's first major decisions will be whether to stay with Oneworld alliance partner American Airlines or switch to rival Delta. Both U.S. carriers have been wooing JAL aggressively with offers of financial aid.
JAL, Asia's largest carrier by revenues, filed for bankruptcy protection last month with about $25 billion in debt, and vowed to slash about a third of its work force and cut unprofitable routes as part of a state-supported restructuring plan.
Some Japanese media had previously reported that JAL had already made a decision to end its alliance with American and join hands with Delta.
yes, ... going, going, going
The New York Times pubblica l'ennesimo articolo dove si evidenzia l'interesse di JAL per DL e AA nell'ottica di identificare il miglior partner, ma come si dice oltre Atlantico, il board rimane tight-lips, a bocca chiusa, e non si esprime per il momento.
dal New York Times di 01FEB:
Bankrupt Japan Airlines's new president said he would start from scratch in choosing an overseas partner, as American Airlines tries to fend off strong rival suitor Delta Air Lines.
The two U.S. carriers have been courting Japan Airlines with offers of financial aid and close cooperation on international routes, keen to gain access to its vast network in Asia and benefit from the expansion at Tokyo's Haneda airport.
American is currently partners with JAL in the Oneworld alliance. Delta wants it to defect to its rival SkyTeam group.
Some Japanese media have already declared Delta the winner, saying JAL will chose it because the airline has a much larger network than American, which would allow JAL more room to cut costs and would give it a bigger sales boost.
However, JAL's new president and chief operating officer, Masaru Onishi, said on Monday he would start with a blank slate in evaluating the offers from Delta and American.
"We are still neutral," Onishi told a news conference held to introduce the carrier's new management team. "We will consider from scratch under new management without being affected by the past discussions."
JAL filed for bankruptcy protection two weeks ago with about $25 billion in debts and will now embark on a sweeping restructuring with the help of the state-backed fund Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corp of Japan (ETIC).
The ETIC has estimated that an alliance with Delta could boost JAL's earnings by as much as 17.2 billion yen ($190 million) a year, triple the expected benefit of ties with American, according to a document obtained by Reuters.
That assumes both carriers could attain so-called anti-trust immunity for closer cooperation on scheduling, pricing and marketing under an "open skies" treaty between the United States and Japan.
American and its Oneworld partners have offered $1.4 billion in capital and Delta has offered about $1 billion in financial aid. However, the ETIC, is not expected to invite either carrier to invest.
"There are both good points and bad points (in the proposals from American and Delta). We will make a decision as soon as possible," said Onishi, the former head of a commuter airline unit of JAL.
Onishi, 54, started his career in JAL in 1978 doing plane maintenance and was part of the response team that consoled families following a 1985 crash that is still the world's biggest single aircraft disaster, claiming 520 lives.
Onishi will work to rebuild the former national flag carrier along with new chief executive officer Kazuo Inamori, the 77-year-old founder of electronics maker Kyocera Corp <6971.T> and an ordained Buddhist priest.
"From ancient times, the rise and fall of companies has depended on the nature of its leaders," Inamori said at the news conference. "I know I have a heavy responsibility and I want to convey what I have learned as a leader to each employee."
(Reporting by Nobuhiro Kubo; editing by Michael Watson and Karen Foster)
JAL declines Delta partnership deal, reconsidering strengthened ties with American
Japan Airlines (JAL) has sent a partnership deal with Delta Airlines back to the drawing board and is reconsidering strengthening its ties to Delta rival American Airlines, it was discovered Monday.
New JAL Chairman Kazuo Inamori is apparently in favor of deepening the airline's current partnership with American, and support for the respected business leader's opinion is strengthening within the company.
JAL has been aggressively courted by the U.S. carriers, with both airlines offering at least $1 billion in new investment before JAL applied for bankruptcy protection on Jan. 19. The Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corp. of Japan (ETIC) -- the state-backed company overseeing JAL's restructuring -- decided in late January that the airline would partner with Delta and it's SkyTeam alliance, believing Delta's strong Asian and European route networks would provide JAL with better chances for growth over the mid-term.
According to a JAL source, however, on Feb. 1 Inamori stated his opposition to switching to Delta, saying, "Long-standing associations are important." Taking into account the time-consuming system changes entailed in moving to SkyTeam and the resulting hit to JAL's short-term financial results, as well as the chance the airline's antitrust immunity application would be rejected, it was decided the Delta deal would be re-evaluated.
Inamori and new President Masaru Onishi stated in a news conference that day that partnership discussions were ongoing and the flag carrier's stance was "neutral." ETIC apparently intends to leave final decisions on management issues up to JAL's new team of executives.
JAL's final decision on a U.S. partnership will be made possibly within the week, while the airline will also apply to the U.S. Department of Transport for immunity from antitrust laws.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100208p2a00m0na011000c.html
Japan Airlines (JAL) has sent a partnership deal with Delta Airlines back to the drawing board and is reconsidering strengthening its ties to Delta rival American Airlines, it was discovered Monday.
New JAL Chairman Kazuo Inamori is apparently in favor of deepening the airline's current partnership with American, and support for the respected business leader's opinion is strengthening within the company.
JAL has been aggressively courted by the U.S. carriers, with both airlines offering at least $1 billion in new investment before JAL applied for bankruptcy protection on Jan. 19. The Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corp. of Japan (ETIC) -- the state-backed company overseeing JAL's restructuring -- decided in late January that the airline would partner with Delta and it's SkyTeam alliance, believing Delta's strong Asian and European route networks would provide JAL with better chances for growth over the mid-term.
According to a JAL source, however, on Feb. 1 Inamori stated his opposition to switching to Delta, saying, "Long-standing associations are important." Taking into account the time-consuming system changes entailed in moving to SkyTeam and the resulting hit to JAL's short-term financial results, as well as the chance the airline's antitrust immunity application would be rejected, it was decided the Delta deal would be re-evaluated.
Inamori and new President Masaru Onishi stated in a news conference that day that partnership discussions were ongoing and the flag carrier's stance was "neutral." ETIC apparently intends to leave final decisions on management issues up to JAL's new team of executives.
JAL's final decision on a U.S. partnership will be made possibly within the week, while the airline will also apply to the U.S. Department of Transport for immunity from antitrust laws.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100208p2a00m0na011000c.html
Sono l'unico cui questa faccenda ricorda con malinconia quando AZ non se la filava nessuno nel 2008, mentre qui ci sono 2 giganti che si stanno ammazzando di rilanci per assicurarsi non tanto la proprietá, ma la partecipazione alla stessa alleanza di JAL?
Ma fosse quello il problema, se se la litigano come diavolo ha fatto ad arrivare a questa situazione?