FAA sconsiglia il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA


Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

In sostanza, dicono ai piloti stranieri (quali, poi?): "Siccome non siete in grado di dire "unable" alla proposta di un visual, e vogliamo pararci il deretano perché non si sa mai, fate la RNAV che è meglio". Triste.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

In sostanza, dicono ai piloti stranieri (quali, poi?): "Siccome non siete in grado di dire "unable" alla proposta di un visual, e vogliamo pararci il deretano perché non si sa mai, fate la RNAV che è meglio". Triste.

Quindi se un volo EK, ad esempio, è pilotato da un pilota americano, che fanno, gli danno l'OK per il visual?
O se un volo AA o DL, è pilotato da un pilota non USA, glielo negano???
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Quindi se un volo EK, ad esempio, è pilotato da un pilota americano, che fanno, gli danno l'OK per il visual?
O se un volo AA o DL, è pilotato da un pilota non USA, glielo negano???

Sembra che, almeno fino a quando non tornerà in servizio l'ILS, alle compagnie straniere verrà assegnata di default una procedura diversa dal visual. A me sembra andare oltre i confini del proprio ruolo, ma tant'è...

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Da FlightGlobal: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ign-airlines-at-san-francisco-airport-388850/

The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has banned foreign pilots from making visual approaches to San Francisco airport runways 28 left and right.

The move follows the crash of a Asiana Airlines Boeing 777-200ER that killed three people on 6 July, a low approach by an Eva Air 777-300ER on 23 July that prompted a go-around command by the airport tower, and several missed approaches by pilots of foreign airlines since 1 June.

In all of the recent incidents, the foreign pilots were making visual approaches to Runway 28 left or right. The glideslope indicator that enables a stabilised approach to the runways has been deactivated since 1 June, forcing pilots making certain approaches to fly the aircraft visually.

"Until that [stabilised] approach is again available in late August, the FAA is assigning alternate instrument approaches to all foreign carriers," the agency says. "The FAA took this action after noticing an increase in go-arounds at [San Francisco airport] by some foreign carriers that were flying visual approaches into the airport."

The probable cause of the Asiana 777 crash remains under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board. It is known that the crew failed to keep the aircraft on the proper glidepath, coming in too low and slow and clipping the main landing gear on the seawall at the runway threshold.

The Eva 777 flight crew also was flying a visual approach on 23 July when the tower directed the crew to fly a go-around. The air traffic controller alerted the pilots that they were approaching the runway at a "lower than normal altitude", the FAA says.

"Go-arounds are important safety tools for both pilot sand air traffic controllers", the FAA says. "They are routine, standardised procedures and can occur once a day or more at busy airports for various reasons."

The glideslope indicator on Runway is deactivated until late August for the airport to complete a construction project at the other end of the runway. The construction is part of the FAA's runway safety area improvement programme.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Concordo in pieno con questo post di David Learmount:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/learmount/2013/07/pilot-competency-up-for-discussion/


Pilot competency up for discussion
by David Learmount on 30 July, 2013 in Uncategorized

That post on Facebook by my US airline pilot friend (see previous entry) developed into a discussion that made me more worried than I already was about the degree to which airline pilots are losing faith in their ability to fly ordinary manoeuvres and visual traffic patterns, because they practically never have to do it.

My disadvantage here is that I am not a line pilot, and all my knowledge of what it is like to be one comes from talking to people who do it for a living. What is more, things change all the time, including the priorities of airline training departments.

From what I am hearing now, it seems to me that the training priorities pendulum, even at major airlines with good safety records, has swung too far in the direction of mindless proceduralism.

While I completely appreciate the need for solid standard operating procedures (SOPs), mindless proceduralism is the result of an attempt to have a procedure for every eventuality, which is impossible.

Instead of preparing their pilots to cope calmly with non-routine circumstances, to equip them with aviation common sense (= airmanship), they try to secure them inside a comfort blanket of procedures. This robs the pilots of confidence in their own judgement.

I am more and more convinced that this is the explanation for accidents like AF447, where the pilots seemed to have lost all sense of connection with their aeroplane and what makes it fly.

It all boils down to this: if a pilot cannot cope when the automatics fail, it is the airline’s fault that s/he is no longer competent, and s/he should be taken off the line and provided with remedial training.

Or has the ability to fly visual patterns manually been covertly removed from the piloting minimum equipment list? You may rarely have to do it, but the idea that you no longer can should scare you, and your employer.

If pilots can no longer fly ordinary visual procedures manually, or fly instrument patterns in IMC manually, the ultimate backup system when all else has failed – the pilot – is no longer a pilot. If that is true, we might as well start automating pilots out of the system now.

The FAA has already conceded that foreign pilots cannot fly visual approaches at SFO and has banned them from doing it.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Concordo in pieno con questo post di David Learmount:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/learmount/2013/07/pilot-competency-up-for-discussion/


Pilot competency up for discussion
by David Learmount on 30 July, 2013 in Uncategorized

That post on Facebook by my US airline pilot friend (see previous entry) developed into a discussion that made me more worried than I already was about the degree to which airline pilots are losing faith in their ability to fly ordinary manoeuvres and visual traffic patterns, because they practically never have to do it.

My disadvantage here is that I am not a line pilot, and all my knowledge of what it is like to be one comes from talking to people who do it for a living. What is more, things change all the time, including the priorities of airline training departments.

From what I am hearing now, it seems to me that the training priorities pendulum, even at major airlines with good safety records, has swung too far in the direction of mindless proceduralism.

While I completely appreciate the need for solid standard operating procedures (SOPs), mindless proceduralism is the result of an attempt to have a procedure for every eventuality, which is impossible.

Instead of preparing their pilots to cope calmly with non-routine circumstances, to equip them with aviation common sense (= airmanship), they try to secure them inside a comfort blanket of procedures. This robs the pilots of confidence in their own judgement.

I am more and more convinced that this is the explanation for accidents like AF447, where the pilots seemed to have lost all sense of connection with their aeroplane and what makes it fly.

It all boils down to this: if a pilot cannot cope when the automatics fail, it is the airline’s fault that s/he is no longer competent, and s/he should be taken off the line and provided with remedial training.

Or has the ability to fly visual patterns manually been covertly removed from the piloting minimum equipment list? You may rarely have to do it, but the idea that you no longer can should scare you, and your employer.

If pilots can no longer fly ordinary visual procedures manually, or fly instrument patterns in IMC manually, the ultimate backup system when all else has failed – the pilot – is no longer a pilot. If that is true, we might as well start automating pilots out of the system now.

The FAA has already conceded that foreign pilots cannot fly visual approaches at SFO and has banned them from doing it.
Da passeggero, trovo che questa evoluzione (o forse involuzione sarebbe il termine più corretto) sia "a little scary", anche se dobbiamo riconoscere tutti che il livello totale di sicurezza nel trasporto aereo è in costante crescita (il che significa che le procedure salvano più cXXi di quanti ne facciano perdere per mancanza di abitudine al pilotaggio). L'idea che la davanti ci sia "uno che schiaccia il giusto bottone al momento giusto" e non un "pilota vero" non mi piacerebbe ...
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Quindi se un volo EK, ad esempio, è pilotato da un pilota americano, che fanno, gli danno l'OK per il visual?
O se un volo AA o DL, è pilotato da un pilota non USA, glielo negano???

e se il pilota di EK sono anni che non atterra SFO?.....devo ancora trovare un pilota non americano su AA o DL...
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

e se il pilota di EK sono anni che non atterra SFO?.....devo ancora trovare un pilota non americano su AA o DL...
Ho la vaga impressione che sia un bello scarico di responsabilità. Dichiaro che i visual non sono autorizzati per i piloti non USA, se poi uno (non USA) me lo chiedo, lo autorizzo e lui lo canna posso sempre dire che ha violato la non autorizzazione generale, per cui per principio è colpa sua.
Non dimenticatevi che stiamo parlando del Paese con il maggior numero di avvocati e con le leggi sulla responsabilità extracontrattuale (tort) più "pericolose" al mondo.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Già,Impensabile trovare un non americano in una compagnia americana. in UE li accogliamo a braccia aperte.
In realtà credo che se hai la grenne card non facciano storie, solo che non te la danno per lavorare come pilota (come per tantissimi altri mestieri "coperti"), per cui devi ottenerla in altro modo (ad esempio matrimonio)
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Già,Impensabile trovare un non americano in una compagnia americana. in UE li accogliamo a braccia aperte.

Un mio collega cpt ha volato per anni per una regional con base a Chicago ed è italianissimo.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA


From what I am hearing now, it seems to me that the training priorities pendulum, even at major airlines with good safety records, has swung too far in the direction of mindless proceduralism.

While I completely appreciate the need for solid standard operating procedures (SOPs), mindless proceduralism is the result of an attempt to have a procedure for every eventuality, which is impossible.

Instead of preparing their pilots to cope calmly with non-routine circumstances, to equip them with aviation common sense (= airmanship), they try to secure them inside a comfort blanket of procedures. This robs the pilots of confidence in their own judgement.

I am more and more convinced that this is the explanation for accidents like AF447, where the pilots seemed to have lost all sense of connection with their aeroplane and what makes it fly.

It all boils down to this: if a pilot cannot cope when the automatics fail, it is the airline’s fault that s/he is no longer competent, and s/he should be taken off the line and provided with remedial training.

Or has the ability to fly visual patterns manually been covertly removed from the piloting minimum equipment list? You may rarely have to do it, but the idea that you no longer can should scare you, and your employer.

If pilots can no longer fly ordinary visual procedures manually, or fly instrument patterns in IMC manually, the ultimate backup system when all else has failed – the pilot – is no longer a pilot. If that is true, we might as well start automating pilots out of the system now.


Io sono stato un pilota per pochi anni tanto tempo fa. Lo so che sto per suonare come il vecchio brontolone che sono..... A noi ci insegnavano l'importanza di "sentire l'aereo sotto al sedere", trovo molto triste che sia diventata una cosa negativa.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Sarà per questo che oggi tutti questi voli da EWR a SFO sono in ritardo? Immagino di no ma sono curioso.
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

Un mio collega cpt ha volato per anni per una regional con base a Chicago ed è italianissimo.


Anche un mio amico lavora per una regional base Chicago è francesissimo e ha un passaporto americano.


Ho capito, in USA piloti stranieri possono lavorare solo su regional con base a Chicago :D :D :D
 
Re: FAA proibisce il Visual Approach a SFO a piloti non USA

I-FORD... per risolvere questo problema e' allo studio un autopilota inseribile ( dalla compagnia) al gate di partenza e disinseribile al gate di arrivo .