Canada nega altri diritti di volo a Emirates. E' già crisi tra i due Paesi

[DusCgn]

Se la sono presa proprio male gli arabi.
Hanno negato l'atterraggio nel paese al Ministro della Difesa del Canada, con personale governativo al seguito.

UAE closes airspace to MacKay, Natynczyk

By Jonathan Montpetit, The Canadian Press

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - A plane carrying two cabinet ministers and the head of the Canadian military was denied the right to land in the United Arab Emirates on Monday in a diplomatic rebuke from the wealthy Gulf country.

The UAE closed its airspace to Defence Minister Peter MacKay, Veterans Affairs Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn and Chief of the Defence Staff, Gen. Walt Natynczyk, who were on their way from a three-day visit to Afghanistan, a military source in Ottawa confirmed to The Canadian Press.

It was unclear where the plane was headed, but media reports suggest a location in Europe.

Just hours earlier in Kandahar, MacKay had confirmed that Canada was being forced to vacate its military base in the UAE following the failure of negotiations to expand aviation links between the two countries.

"There have been discussion going on between the minister of foreign affairs and his counterpart. These discussions have been going on for some time," MacKay just a short time before he boarded the re-routed plane.

"And at this point, we will abide by the wishes of the Emirates, and... we will be leaving the base."

Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon told CBC News he was not aware of the airspace closure.

"I know that, I heard Peter's comments before coming going on air and coming to me. And obviously these are operational matters," Cannon said.

"I'm sure minister MacKay, as well as the chief of defence staff, are looking at all of the options available, and we will be able to continue and carry on our engagement in Afghanistan."

The UAE has been seeking more landing rights in Canada for its national airlines, Emirates and Etihad. Amid strenuous objections by Air Canada, the talks stalled recently.

The UAE has blamed Canada for the failure of the years-long negotiations.

UAE's ambassador to Ottawa, Mohammed Abdullah Al-Ghafli, had warned Sunday that the failure to clinch a deal will "undoubtedly affect" bilateral relations.

By forcing Canada to vacate its base in Dubai, a once-secret installation known as Camp Mirage, the UAE will disrupt the Canadian military's principal supply line to Afghanistan.

Camp Mirage is Canada's only logistical hub in the Middle East. It was to play a major role in the withdrawal of Canadian troops from Afghanistan following the July 2011 end to the combat mission.

Its impending closure has left officials scrambling for an alternative.

"We'll always act in Canada's best interests and one thing I know about the Canadian forces, they're very adaptable," MacKay said.

"They have alternative plans, they have contingency plans. With that in mind we're going through the various options that are before us right now.

"And we'll continue to do our mission here in Afghanistan... and we'll find other ways to support this mission through other hubs in the region," he added.

Canada had a years-old right to operate out of Camp Mirage under an agreement that expired in June. But each party was also allowed to give a one-month notice to end the agreement.

Media reports have suggested the UAE invoked that right last week.

Prior to denying his plane the right to land — which will likely be considered a major diplomatic snub — MacKay even struck a conciliatory note to the Emirians.

"We are very grateful for what the United Arab Emirates have allowed us to do within their country," MacKay said.

"They have been very supportive of the Canadian mission, supportive of the mission writ large, and for that we thank them."

At the heart of the dispute are demands by the two UAE airlines to increase the frequency and locations of their flights to Canada. They currently operate a total of six flights a week to Toronto from Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

Air Canada has argued against increasing the flights, saying there is very little passenger traffic originating from the UAE and the airlines are merely taking Canadians to third countries with stopovers in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

But Ambassador Al-Ghafli said with 27,000 Canadians living in the UAE, six flights per week do not service the economic needs of both countries.

"It is unfortunate that this process has been so protracted and frustrating," he said.

"The UAE entered negotiations in good faith on the understanding that a solution would be reached and that constructive ideas would be brought to the negotiating table. The fact that this has not come about undoubtedly affects the bilateral relationship."

The UAE is Canada's largest trade partner in the Middle East and North Africa with bilateral trade of over $1.5 billion.

_ With files from Murray Brewster in Ottawa.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101011/national/canada_uae_base

 

[Cesare.Caldi]

Credo che questo atteggiamento da muro contro muro degli UAE possa essere controproducente era meglio far atterrare la delegazione e poi continuare a trattare per i diritti.

 

[mxpt1]

Capisco chi si piega davanti ai Cinesi, ma mettersi a 90° davanti agli Emirati non è indispensabile.

Quoto, e neppure con i libici.

La concorrenza è senza dubbio l' anima del mercato, ed è essenziale per tutti, ma deve essere concorrenza leale.
E voi potrete portare tutte le prove che volete, ma non riuscirete mai a convincermi che Emirates & Co. fanno concorrenza leale!

Straquoto.

 

[uncomfortable]

Non capisco peró quanto male possa fare EK ad AC: la sovrapposizione dei network é pressoché inesistente.
Andare in India via DXB dal Canada é piuttosto lungo, perderebbero del traffico a basso yield e qualche premium passenger se EK si mette a fare dumping tariffario in F e J.

Un'idea alternativa sarebbe quella di lanciare un volo daily su Buffalo, ed offrire l'autobus gratis per Toronto a tutti i passeggeri.

 

[gabibbo]

Chissà come mai le grandi compagnie asiatiche come SQ, CX, MH e Thai non si lamentano ma si rimboccano le mani.

Non si lamentano forse perché sono liberamente ricapitalizzabili, e giocano su un mercato in cui i loro competitori sono legati mani e piedi da regole più o meno di mercato cui loro sono sottoposte solo parzialmente... è un po' il "vincere facile" della pubblicità...

 

[Francesco.B.]

In che senso liberamente ricapitalizzabili? Anche le compagnie europee o canadesi sono liberamente ricapitalizzabili, il problema è trovare chi ci vuole mettere i soldi.

 

[aamilan]

appunto l'emiro quando non sa cosa fare ci butta un po' di soldi per prendere aerei nuovi. per carita' liberi di fare quello che vogliono ma non vengano a rompere con il discorso della liberalizzazione e concorrnza please !

 

[DusCgn]

La disputa prosegue con altri risvolti. I cittadini canadesi devono ora richiedere il visto per entrare negli Emirati.


The United Arab Emirates will require Canadian visitors to apply for visas after an aviation dispute between the two countries over landing rights for commercial flights. Currently, Canadians don’t require visas to enter the country.

U.A.E. carriers including Emirates have been seeking dozens of new landing slots in Canada, contending that the six weekly flights currently allowed are not enough to meet demand. Transport Canada, the government agency that oversees the airline industry, and Air Canada opposed granting more slots on concerns that U.A.E. carriers may eat into Air Canada’s traffic to cities such as Frankfurt.

 

[malpensante]

Una ragione in più per trattare gli Emiratini come si meritano, a calci nel culo.

 

[kenyaprince]

La disputa prosegue con altri risvolti. I cittadini canadesi devono ora richiedere il visto per entrare negli Emirati.


The United Arab Emirates will require Canadian visitors to apply for visas after an aviation dispute between the two countries over landing rights for commercial flights. Currently, Canadians don’t require visas to enter the country.

U.A.E. carriers including Emirates have been seeking dozens of new landing slots in Canada, contending that the six weekly flights currently allowed are not enough to meet demand. Transport Canada, the government agency that oversees the airline industry, and Air Canada opposed granting more slots on concerns that U.A.E. carriers may eat into Air Canada’s traffic to cities such as Frankfurt.

mi sembra di stare all'asilo...

 

[stefano]

mi sembra di stare all'asilo...

Nel mio asilo vincere una disputa non faceva guadagnare tutti quei soldi

 

[Fabiazzo]

Una ragione in più per trattare gli Emiratini come si meritano, a calci nel culo.

STANDING QUOTESCION !!!!!

In effetti è estremamente irritante vedere come determinati paesi, ma qui lo dico qui lo nego determinate mentalità, pretendono e pretendono, e quando non ottengono iniziano a fare rappresaglie, in quanto alla fin fine capiscono solo il linguaggio della forza.

 

[Markbg]

Mi sbaglierò, ma per me è dura far concorrenza ad una compagnia che ha alle spalle un emiro pieno di mld, uno stato dove non si pagano imposte sul reddito e a cui probabilmente (per i motivi sopra elencati) non gliene frega una cippa dei bilanci...

E' + o meno lo stesso discorso della concorrenza ai prodotti cinesi... gli unici prodotti italiani che riescono a fargli concorrenza sono quelli prodotti dai cinesi che lavorano in Italia in nero per 16 ore al giorno... praticamente hanno risparmiato sul trasporto, portando qui i cinesi a lavorare!

La concorrenza è senza dubbio l' anima del mercato, ed è essenziale per tutti, ma deve essere concorrenza leale.
E voi potrete portare tutte le prove che volete, ma non riuscirete mai a convincermi che Emirates & Co. fanno concorrenza leale!

Dipende dai punti di vista: per molti paesi la Cina è ormai un'opportunità (di vendita), non più un problema. Parlo, ad esempio, di Germania, di Francia e di altri paesi. Certo, per noi italiani è difficile competere in un mercato globale perché il nostro tessuto è composto per la maggiorparte da pmi che non guardano al di là del cortile aziendale e che non hanno mai avuto la capacità di trasformarsi. Purtroppo ciò che un tempo era la nostra forza ora spesso si trasforma nella nostra zavorra. Diverso è il discorso della svalutazione artificiale dello yuan. Ma in fondo - ce l'hanno insegnato all'università - è la stessa tattica usata dall'Italia con la lira per galoppare dagli anni 50 in poi... I trucchetti sono sempre quelli, da noi o da loro.

 

[belumosi]

Ho l' impressione che la trattativa canadese abbia avuto un percorso particolare e che gli emiratini si siano sentiti offesi dal comportamento dei canadesi al di la della concessione dei diritti. Non mi risulta che quando la Francia ha rifiutato nuovi diritti a EK e soci, gli EAU abbiano regito in maniera così scomposta ed estrema. Evidentemente qualcuno molto in alto nello stato arabo, ha vissuto il comportamento dei canadesi come un affronto personale.

 

[malpensante]

Certo, gli Arabi hanno sempre ragione, è sicuramente colpa dei Canadesi.

 

[belumosi]

I canadesi hanno il sacrosanto diritto di gestire il loro traffico aereo come meglio credono. Solo che in questo caso ho la sensazione che ci sia dell' altro, tutto qui. Gli emiratini non vivono sulla luna, già varie volte hanno dovuto ingoiare dei no alle richieste di aumenti dei diritti, ma non mi pare abbiano mai messo a rischio i rapporti bilaterali per questa ragione.

 

[DusCgn]

Canada denies ban on UAE airlines for officials

* UAE foreign minister says Canada escalating tensions
* Ottawa says does not restrict travel on UAE carriers


OTTAWA, Nov 10 (Reuters) - Canada denied allegations on Wednesday that it has barred government officials from flying on United Arab Emirates airlines, which would have escalated a diplomatic standoff over landing rights.

Tensions have risen between the two countries since Canada denied expanded landing rights for UAE airlines flying to Canada. That triggered a UAE government decision to end access to a military base used by the Canadian military to support troops in Afghanistan.

On Tuesday, a UAE official said Canadian citizens will now need visas to enter the country.

Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed, foreign minister of the United Arab Emirates, suggested on Wednesday the Canadian government had taken the dispute a step further.

"The last thing I heard that Canadian officials cannot go on UAE carriers, so I think this is an escalation that came from Canada not from the UAE," he said.

"I don't think it's a very smart decision."

Officials at Canada's Foreign Affairs Department denied there was any such travel ban.

"No, not true," an official said. "We have an existing agreement with them."

Dubai carrier Emirates [EMIRA.UL] had been lobbying, with support from the UAE government, to increase its thrice-weekly direct flights to Toronto and add more Canadian destinations, but it failed to gain greater access.

Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways also wants to increase its flights. (Reporting by Louise Egan; editing by Rob Wilson)

 

[MalboroLi]

per "officials" che si intende? impiegati pubblici?

 

[uncomfortable]

per "officials" che si intende? impiegati pubblici?

Intende dipendenti governativi a tutti i livelli.
In USA i dipendenti di agenzie pubbliche devono ottemperare alla regola del Fly America: devono volare su vettori americani qualora ve ne sia uno disponibile sulla tratta in questione. Questa mi sembra una politica simile, solo in negativo.
Non molto difficile da mettere in atto peraltro, dato che i vettori UAE volano su pochissime direttrici e le connessioni hanno attrattivitá limitata.

 

[DusCgn]

Emirates ha pubblicato due pagine di risposta, a tono, ad Air Canada e alle autorità canadesi su quelli che sono i falsi miti montati ad arte sulla compagnia emiratina.
In definitiva non si può dar loro torto. E' evidente che i 3 voli settimanali concessi a EK siano ridocoli per tutta una serie di ragioni ben spiegate sotto.


Canada and Emirates Airline.
Busting myths. A reasonable request

Emirates Airline is seeking to provide daily service from
Dubai to Toronto, a city currently capped at just three flights
a week. Emirates also wants to offer daily service to Calgary
and Vancouver. Additional flights would generate significant
economic benefits for Canada and are endorsed by hundreds
of Canadian stakeholders. Emirates’ proposed flights have been
characterised by Air Canada as ‘capacity dumping’. However
even with the sought increase, Emirates would still be one of
the smallest international operators to Canada behind Lufthansa,
British Airways, Air France and Swiss - and would represent less
than 2% of Canada’s international air services. While Emirates
respects the government’s recent decision to deny additional
flights, we must rebut the myths of Air Canada in its attempt to
deny choice to Canadian consumers and protect itself from fair
and reasonable competition.

Myth: Emirates is subsidised.
Fact: Emirates has been profitable in every year but one since
it began its operations 25 years ago. It is fully audited annually
by PricewaterhouseCoopers, the world’s largest accounting firm,
attesting to its transparency and non-subsidised credentials.
Our accounts and annual reports have also been reviewed
and substantiated by leading analysts from major international
investment banks such as UBS and JPMorgan. By comparison,
many other airlines including Air Canada and others in the Star
Alliance have relied on government subsidies or aeropolitical
protection in recent years.

“Many of my European counterparts will bitch and moan about
the way the Middle East carriers operate; they think that it is
unfair competition. I don’t buy into that... I just got a copy of
[Emirates] its accounts the other day, and they look like a normal
set of accounts to me... and have no doubt that they acted in a
rational, commercial way in every way that I have seen.” - CEO
of British Airways Willie Walsh


Myth: Emirates is seeking to “dump” capacity in Canada.
Fact: Emirates is currently limited to operating three flights per
week to Canada. Those flights have been operating at near full
capacity since their launch in October 2007. Emirates’ current
market share as a proportion of all international bookings
to and from Canada is 0.5% - in comparison to Star Alliance’s
market share which is 41%. With a daily A380 service to Toronto,

Emirates market share of international traffic to Canada would
grow slightly to only 1%. It is projected that with a daily service
to Toronto and a daily service to each of Calgary and Vancouver,
Emirates’ market share of international traffic to Canada would
still be less than 2%.

Myth: Emirates will “steal” traffic from Air Canada
and divert it over its mega-hub in Dubai.
Fact: Currently 98% of passengers on Emirates’ Toronto flights
originate or depart from Dubai and other points to which
Air Canada does not fly directly. By securing daily flights to
Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver, Emirates is seeking to fill
significant unmet two-way demand between Canada and Dubai,
the Middle East, Africa and the Asian subcontinent - all regions
for the most part ignored by Air Canada.
This debate also raises questions about who is ultimately being
protected: Air Canada or its Star Alliance partner Lufthansa?
Lufthana’s own website proudly states ‘’…more than 80% of its
Canadian passengers connect beyond Germany to destinations in
Europe, the Middle East, Africa and South-East Asia.’’ Is it Canada’s
duty to protect Lufthansa’s hubs from competition?


Myth: The current Air Transport Agreement between Canada and the UAE offers adequate capacity on the routes given the size of the market between the countries.
Fact: Passenger volumes between Canada and the UAE are large
(growing strongly year on year) relative to the number of weekly
flights and the point-to-point passenger numbers flown by other
international carriers from Canada (see above Lufthansa example).
Of the remaining traffic going beyond Dubai, almost all goes to
points not served by Air Canada. The current flight restrictions
also place a severe constraint on further export growth to the UAE
- Canada’s largest export market in Middle East and North Africa -
and impose considerable inconvenience on the 27,000 Canadians
living in the UAE and the 115 Canadian companies operating there
since existing flights are operating at capacity.
Moreover, the days of determining traffic rights based exclusively
on the size of the origin and destination market of countries
ended two decades ago for most countries. If this is still the
standard, then Lufthansa’s flights to Canada need to be measured
in the same way.


Myth: Since Emirates is state-owned the Canadian Government should treat its request for additional flights differently.
Fact: State-owned does not automatically mean subsidised.
Canada’s Blue Sky policy does not distinguish between non state-
owned versus state-owned entities. Canada has in recent years
negotiated many enhanced air access agreements with countries
whose major carrier is wholly or partly state-owned, including
with New Zealand, Singapore and Ireland - not to mention the
large number of EU States which have ownership interests in
their respective national carriers and will benefit from Canada’s
Air Transport Agreement with the EU.


Myth: Emirates’ entry into Australia had negative economic and commercial consequences and caused the exit of many European carriers from the market.
Fact: Emirates has been a welcome addition to the Australian
aviation market. Currently Emirates flies 70 times to Australia
each week, resulting in significant trade, tourism and investment
gains. Decisions by other international airlines to exit the market
were prompted by their own alliance objectives and pre-dated
Emirates growth. At the same time Qantas has progressively
grown profits, jobs, market share and revenue since Emirates
entered the market in 1996. Key stakeholders have unanimously
endorsed the success of the Emirates-Australia partnership. In
2005, Australian Prime Minister John Howard said: “I would like
to see you (Emirates) fly here more often in the future.”
• In the year to August 2010, Emirates carried 1.5 million
passengers to Australia, 85% of whom came from points not
served by Qantas.
• The Australian Government forecasts that tourists from the
Middle East and North Africa to Australia will contribute
US$9.4billion between 2010 and 2020.
The same is true of other major markets like the UK, the US,
South Africa and Germany which Emirates flies to, where the
growth in Emirates’ services has been accompanied by trade and
tourism benefits - and the growth of markets for all respective
national carriers.

Myth: Emirates gets free fuel and discounted airport fees.
Fact: Emirates procures fuel at market rates from multiple
suppliers at all airports to which it operates, including at Dubai
International Airport. Oil accounts for only 4% of Dubai’s GDP, a
figure which goes down every year. There is minimal oil refining
capacity in the UAE/Dubai, Emirates actually pays a premium
in Dubai for jet fuel, given Singapore is the closest major oil
refining centre - from where we source the majority of our fuel.
All carriers flying into and out of Dubai are subject to the same
airport fees and charges.

Who benefits from protectionism?
Certainly not consumers. Air Canada does not fly to anywhere in
Africa, the South East Asian subcontinent and only serves one city in
the whole Middle East region, Tel Aviv. It would rather its passengers
be diverted through hubs in Europe to access these destinations -
no matter how inconvenient, costly or time-consuming. Continued
protection of Air Canada means less choice, higher prices and
longer flight times for people travelling between Canada and some
of the fastest-developing economies of the world.

Why should Canadian consumers be dictated to by the narrow
interests of Air Canada’s and its fellow Star Alliance member
Lufthansa?
“Consumers, and most certainly governments, should be
extremely sceptical when the dominant provider of any service
in any market launches a vociferous plea for even greater
protection than it already enjoys.” - Bruce Cran, President,
Consumers Association of Canada, op-ed on open skies posted
to www.consumer.ca

Where was Air Canada’s opposition to open skies
with Switzerland?
Canada just concluded - without any visible opposition from Air
Canada - an open skies agreement with Switzerland. In spite of
very similar demographics, trade and travel patterns between
the UAE and Switzerland, the new agreement with Switzerland
enables far more air services than what is currently permitted
between Canada and the UAE.

QUI VEDERE TABELLA COMPARATIVA UAE-SVIZZERA nel link


What is the difference? Lufthansa owns Swiss International Air
Lines and along with Air Canada, as part of the Star Alliance,
they enjoy anti-trust immunity on Trans Atlantic routes - hence
this particular open skies deal exempts the airlines from price
competition and directly benefits these three companies. The
comparison certainly lends credence to recent comments from
WestJet’s CEO.
“If you’re not part of the Star Alliance, Air Canada’s alliance,
you’re pretty much shut out of the country.” - Gregg Saretsky,
President and CEO, WestJet.

Lost economic opportunity.
In 2009 the UAE was the largest merchandise export market for
Canada in the Middle East and North Africa Region. In fact, the
UAE was Canada’s 17th largest export market in the world - and
far bigger than many other countries with which Canada has
signed open skies agreements, including the latest example of
Switzerland.
In 2010 Emirates released a Canadian -authored economic study
which found Emirates’ additional flights to Canada would result in:
• CA$480 million in new economic activity.
• 2,800 additional jobs.
• CA$82.6 million in direct new tourism spending annually.
Emirates request for additional flights is supported by numerous
provincial governments, big city mayors, business and tourism
associations and consumer groups, who see Canada’s national
interests served by greater competition, choice and connectivity.


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