Canada nega altri diritti di volo a Emirates. E' già crisi tra i due Paesi


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UAE says failure to reach landing rights deal with Canada will affect relations
at 21:12 on October 10, 2010, EDT.
The Canadian Press
Share|OTTAWA - The United Arab Emirates is warning that Canada's refusal to grant more landing rights to Emirates' air carriers will "undoubtedly" affect the relations between the two countries.

The warning, issued Sunday by the UAE ambassador to Canada Mohammed Abdullah Al-Ghafli, comes amid media reports that the Emirates' government has threatened to retaliate over the failed aviation deal by denying Canada's military access to an air base near Dubai.

The Canadian government had little to say on the matter. A foreign affairs spokeswoman said in an email that the government does not comment on operational matters concerning the deployment of the Canadian Forces abroad.

But the government did indicate Canada is "fully capable of supporting its military commitments in Afghanistan."

The UAE diplomat said his country was disappointed that despite intensive negotiations over the last five years the two countries have been unable to reach an agreement to increase the number of flights.

"The UAE entered negotiations in good faith on the understanding that a solution would be reached and that constructive ideas would be brought to the negotiating table. The fact that this has not come about undoubtedly affects the bilateral relationship," Al-Ghafli said in a statement issued by the UAE embassy.

A 1999 agreement allows Emirates Airlines and Ethiad Airways to fly up to six times a week into Canada. But the UAE government says that with 27,000 Canadians living in that country, and a significant trade relationship — the UAE is Canada's largest trade partner in the Middle East and North Africa — six flights per week are not enough.

Air Canada (TSX:AC.B) has objected to increased service to Canadian destinations. It says that in certain countries, such as Dubai, there is very little originating traffic that comes to Canada. The airline claims that carriers like Emirates Airlines pick up Canadians and take them to third countries with a stopover in Dubai, and there is no reciprocal benefit to Canadian carriers.

Emirates Airlines calls it unfortunate that the Canadian government doesn't see the need for more services from the carrier.

"We are disappointed by this response and are working hard to convince our many friends in Ottawa on the case for more business between Dubai and Canada via a progressive increase in services," the airline says in a statement posted on its website.

The airline is asking its passengers to push the issue with the Canadian government by writing to the transport minister.

Meanwhile, the Consumers' Association of Canada says Canadian passengers are being caught up in a diplomatic fuss that is eating away at their rights.

The association says allowing carriers from the Emirates to expand in Canadian markets would be "very beneficial" to consumers.

"We've got a situation where somehow diplomatic matters for Canada are being linked to the interest of Canada's major airline," said association president Bruce Cran.

"It doesn't make sense at all. We're wondering when someone will step in and protect consumers' rights here."

Cran said the argument that Air Canada would loose a significant amount of passengers if the two UAE airlines were allowed into the country more frequently is moot.

"We're talking about a destination to which Air Canada does not even fly (directly)," said Cran, adding that there was no reason for Canadian consumers to be forced to give preference to Air Canada's Star Alliance carriers which operate competing routes through Europe.

"Consumers are getting the raw end of the stick all the way along here," he said.

It is the second time in recent months that Ottawa and Dubai have engaged in diplomatic wrestling over business disputes.

Last August, the Emirates' government threatened to shut down email, messaging and web browsing on the BlackBerry devices, after Waterloo, Ont.-based Research In Motion (TSX:RIM) refused to allow access to encrypted information sent by users.

BlackBerry data are automatically shipped to the company's computers abroad, and it is difficult for local authorities to monitor illegal activity or abuse.

Both the Canadian and U.S. governments tried to help broker a compromise between Dubai and RIM worried that the ban could effect international trade and diplomacy.

Half a million local users and travellers with foreign BlackBerrys would have been affected.

The Emirates' government backed off the threat last Friday, just days before the ban was set to take effect.

The Gulf country's telecommunications regulator confirmed that a deal had been reached with RIM that brought the devices into compliance with local laws.

It wasn't clear what concessions, if any, the Canadian device maker made to avert the ban
 
I malumori nei confronti delle compagnie emiratine si allargano a macchia d'olio, anche se non è una novità questa disputa Canada-UAE che va avanti da anni.

Sempre oggi :

Air France CEO Calls for EU Curbs on Expansion by Gulf Carriers
By Laurence Frost and Andrea Rothman - Oct 11, 2010 5:42 PM GMT+0200

Air France-KLM Group is teaming up with Europe’s biggest airlines to push for European Union action to slow the encroachment of Emirates and other Gulf carriers, saying the region’s status as an air-travel hub is under threat.

“Europe is at the crossroads of international air travel, and this is a role we need to value and defend,” Air France Chief Executive Officer Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said in an interview. “What we’re telling the authorities is that we need a strategy that gives us a chance to resist.”

Gourgeon, British Airways Plc CEO Willie Walsh and Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Wolfgang Mayrhuber are among executives scheduled to attend a meeting of the Association of European Airlines on Oct. 15 in London. They will discuss a joint push with American rivals for a change to the export-guarantee regime and the trans-Atlantic trade agreement that enshrines it, said Christian de Barrin, a spokesman of the Brussels-based industry group.

For the past two decades, the U.S. and Europe have agreed to withhold export credit guarantees from airlines registered in five countries where Airbus SAS and Boeing Co. airliners are built: Britain, France, Germany, Spain and the U.S. This means many European and all American carriers are denied cheaper government-backed plane financing available to rivals from countries including Gulf states.

‘Home-Country’ Rule

The role of export financing has ballooned since the credit crunch reduced banks’ willingness to lend. The share of plane deliveries covered by government guarantees more than doubled to 34 percent in 2009, Airbus and Boeing figures show.

“Our ability to fund the acquisition of new aircraft is handicapped by the so-called ‘home-country’ rule,” BA spokesman Paul Marston said. “These guarantees are not operating in the way they were intended -- and we therefore urge the EU to amend the rules to remove the competitive distortions that have developed.”

In a policy paper published on its website last week, Lufthansa called for an end to “market imbalances” resulting from export-credit financing, saying “basic rules of regulatory policy are being disregarded.”

Emirates, the biggest Gulf carrier, already pays very little in the way of airport charges or fuel tax at its Dubai hub, as well as escaping many of the social charges that weigh on European companies, Air France’s Gourgeon said. Those benefits could generate 3 billion euros ($4.2 billion) of operating income if applied to Air France-KLM, he said.

No Tax?

“When you’re supported in this way you can offer the end product at very low prices,” the CEO said in the Oct. 7 interview at Air France’s headquarters near Paris Charles de Gaulle airport. “They don’t pay tax -- they don’t even have a word for it.”

“Emirates is run as a fully commercial business, unlike many European carriers,” the company said in a statement. The carrier pays landing charges in Dubai, and “although differently structured, our employee cost base is comparable to other airlines.”

European carriers may also seek action under EU Regulation 868, which imposes protective duties on foreign carriers that use subsidies or other forms of “non-commercial advantage” to undercut prices, the AEA’s de Barrin said.

John Clancy, trade spokesman at the European Commission, the 27-nation EU’s executive arm in Brussels, didn’t immediately have a comment. Neither did Helen Kearns, the commission’s spokeswoman for transportation.

Qatar, Etihad

Emirates overtook Lufthansa last year as the biggest carrier on international flights, thanks to a sixfold increase in traffic since 2000, when it ranked 24th. British Airways, top in 2000, now stands fourth in the International Air Transport Association ranking, which treats Air France and KLM as separate airlines.

Airbus and Boeing together have outstanding orders for 102 widebody planes from Qatar Airways, 59 from Etihad Airways and 175 from Emirates, which has already taken delivery of 13 of the 90 Airbus A380 superjumbos it has ordered in total.

The U.S. Export-Import Bank guaranteed $414 million of Emirates bonds last year to fund the purchase three Boeing 777 jets, an example of the cheaper financing that would be off limits for Lufthansa or Southwest Airlines Inc.

Level Playing Field

“There’s definitely an argument that there needs to be a level playing field in financing,” said Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Partners. “Any pressure that France, Britain and Germany can bring to bear makes good sense.”

For investment-grade U.S. carriers, cost savings from the agency-guaranteed financing they are denied would amount to 3 percent of total loan value annually, according to Air France data comparing the spreads on guaranteed debt with those of commercially traded plane-financing notes over the past two years.

“That’s a lot of money,” Marc Verspyck, the French carrier’s senior vice president for finance, said in an interview. In addition to the actual savings, eligibility for guarantees cuts financing risk when ordering planes, he said.

Air France rose 1.4 percent to 12 euros at the 5:30 p.m. close of trading in Paris. Lufthansa slipped 0.4 percent to 14.35 euros on the Frankfurt exchange. British Airways gained 1.6 percent to 268.4 pence in London.

Manchester Route

European airlines may struggle to maintain efficient connections as Middle Eastern carriers lure more passengers away with new destinations, Gourgeon said. He cited Emirates’s introduction of an Airbus A380 superjumbo flying between Dubai and Manchester, northern England, since last month.

“It will progressively become more difficult for British Airways to have enough passengers to offer the same frequency of flights to Hong Kong,” the CEO said. Traffic through Paris, Milan and Munich would also suffer, he said.

If left unchecked, the competitive imbalance between the Gulf and Europe will eventually lead to a mass shift in stopover traffic, and other economic activities, to Middle Eastern hubs, Gourgeon said.

“I think it’s very dangerous for Europe,” he said. “What they’re trying to do is buy our jobs.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Laurence Frost in Paris at lfrost4@bloomberg.net Andrea Rothman in Paris at aerothman@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Kenneth Wong at kwong11@bloomberg.net; Benedikt Kammel at bkammel@bloomberg.net

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...r-eu-curbs-on-expansion-by-gulf-carriers.html
 
Pensa che io venderei AZ ad Emirates, invece.

Tanto noi piu' con il c. per terra di cosi'.... cosi' sarebbero gli altri ad avere paura, se facciamo basare Emirates nel cuore dell'Europa "at the crossroads".

Sicuramente ci sarebbe da litigare con i partner UE..... :)
 
Se fosse per me abolirei tutti questi arcaici diritti bilaterali e poi sarebbe il mercato a dire quali compagnie dovrebbero sopravvivere su ogni rotta, il mio sogno è un open sky mondiale.
 
nella diatriba UEA-Canada era entrato perfino il criptaggio delle email inviate con i dispositivi Blackberry.

Capisco chi si piega davanti ai Cinesi, ma mettersi a 90° davanti agli Emirati non è indispensabile.

Quoto.
 
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La mia definizione di "qualcuno con le p..e" è: qualcuno che ti offre un volo migliore che con EK ad un prezzo minore di EK.

Vi viene in mente nessuno in Europa ? A me no !!!
Pensi realmente che sia possibile fare concorrenza ad Emirates?
Io no, e siccome non è possibile fargli concorrenza, perlomeno legalmente, allora l' unica strada percorribile per non fare distruggere le compagnie nazionali, è negargli i diritti!
E così dovrebbero fare anche i paesi europei, tra un paio d'anni le compagnie europee avranno una manciata di voli propri verso est, e ci si chiederà il perchè...
 
quanti slot hanno ora?
secondo me emirates tutto questo l'ha già previsto per questo ha quel mega ordine di a380 ai quali se ne aggiungeranno altri perlomeno altri 20
 
Capisco chi si piega davanti ai Cinesi, ma mettersi a 90° davanti agli Emirati non è indispensabile.
Perchè davanti ai cinesi è necessario?
Capisco che abbiano in mano buona parte dei nostri debiti, ma è anche vero che una buona parte della crisi attuale è l' invasione del mercato di merce a basso costo dalla Cina, quindi anche piegandoci non è che risolviamo + di tanto... anzi, piano piano le cose possono solo peggiorare!
 
Avesse mano libera a quest'ora EK avrebbe già vari daily su Montreal, Toronto, Calgary e Vancouver. Invece hanno un risicato 3xw su YYZ, e infatti usano l'A380 per massimizzare la capacità offerta.

Di contro AC faticherebbe anche a riempire un singolo volo giornaliero su Dubai con 767.
E' normale che i canadesi siano quindi restii a rilasciare diritti di traffico, tuttavia 6 frequenze settimanali da dividersi tra EK e EY mi sembrano un eccesso in senso opposto (dopo anni di negoziazioni).
Credo che anche accordando un daily a EK e un altro EY, il Canada non fallirebbe.

quanti slot hanno ora?

EK ha 3 frequenze settimanali sul Canada, idem EY.
Oltre non è consentito.
 
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Secondo me Air Canada se non fallirebbe con tutte le richieste di slots da parte del EK avrebbe vitta dura a sopravivere

Con gia le loro 6 frequenze da solo east del paese mettono in difficolta AC con traffico ethnico sopratutto verso India

Se si sposterebe anche verso ovest non ci sara piu verso per AC o LH e anche KLM di volare piu in quella costa perche la EK farebbe manobassa con tutti i punjabi e iraniani e altri da quelle parti che qui abondano.

Oggi quel traffico si bassa su AC/LH via FRA o BA da LHR. Con EK son siccuro che lo perdi
 
Pensi realmente che sia possibile fare concorrenza ad Emirates?
...
Certo che è possibile.
La corncorrenza allarga il mercato e ti permette di sopravvivere; inzia con i protezionismi, le staccionante, le ripicche, le controripicche e finisci come la vecchia AZ.

Chissà come mai le grandi compagnie asiatiche come SQ, CX, MH e Thai non si lamentano ma si rimboccano le mani.
 
Certo che è possibile.
La corncorrenza allarga il mercato e ti permette di sopravvivere; inzia con i protezionismi, le staccionante, le ripicche, le controripicche e finisci come la vecchia AZ.

Chissà come mai le grandi compagnie asiatiche come SQ, CX, MH e Thai non si lamentano ma si rimboccano le mani.
Mi sbaglierò, ma per me è dura far concorrenza ad una compagnia che ha alle spalle un emiro pieno di mld, uno stato dove non si pagano imposte sul reddito e a cui probabilmente (per i motivi sopra elencati) non gliene frega una cippa dei bilanci...

E' + o meno lo stesso discorso della concorrenza ai prodotti cinesi... gli unici prodotti italiani che riescono a fargli concorrenza sono quelli prodotti dai cinesi che lavorano in Italia in nero per 16 ore al giorno... praticamente hanno risparmiato sul trasporto, portando qui i cinesi a lavorare!

La concorrenza è senza dubbio l' anima del mercato, ed è essenziale per tutti, ma deve essere concorrenza leale.
E voi potrete portare tutte le prove che volete, ma non riuscirete mai a convincermi che Emirates & Co. fanno concorrenza leale!