A380 Qantas: esploso un motore (Rolls Royce)


Ah, ecco è proprio per questo che QF ha deciso per il grounding, LH non si capisce bene e SQ per lasciare tutto come prima, perché tutto è deciso dalla regolamentazione precisa e nulla è lasciato alla discrezionalità dell'esercente. Ora finalmente è tutto chiaro.

Notare che stiamo parlando di operatori di primaria importanza, delle migliori compagnie al mondo non certo di qualche principiante alle prime armi.....


Non capisco che cosa vuoi dire.
Probabilmente gli operatori che citi usano motorizzazioni differenti (e quindi le AD non sono applicabili) oppure hanno gia' applicato i bollettini previsti dalla casa costruttrice.

Fossi in te eviterei questa saccenza e mi documenterei meglio.

Qui trovi la AD in questione :
http://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/easa_ad_2010_0008R1.pdf/AD_2010-0008R1_1

Alla voce "Required Action(s) and Compliance Time(s):" vengono specificati tempi e modi di applicazione.
 
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Fonte "TgCom"

Qantas: "Anomalie in motori A380"
"Giganti dei cieli resteranno a terra"
La compagnia aerea australiana Qantas ha annunciato di aver scoperto "lievi anomalie" in alcuni motori in dotazione ai suoi Airbus A380. Il problema sarebbe emerso in seguito ai controlli effettuati su un propulsore esploso in volo a Singapore. "Su tre motori abbiamo scoperto lievi anomalie, olio dove non dovrebbe essercene - ha precisato il direttore Alan Joyce -. Si tratta di motori nuovi che non dovrebbero avere questo tipo di problemi".
 

Appurato che si tratta di uncontained failure of IP turbine, che si tratta del terzo evento (Tra Trent900 e Trent1000, che condividono questa parte), resta da capire quali misure correttive intraprenderà Rolls e quali richieste farà easa nell'immediato.

Resta anche da capire quanti e quali degli "engine changes" dichiarati da QANTAS in questi giorni siano dovuti a findings relativi al IP Turbine.
 
Qantas to remove other A380 engines as a result of inspections

By Geoffrey Thomas | November 8, 2010

Qantas will change out at least three Rolls-Royce Trent 900s on two Airbus A380s, while Lufthansa and Singapore will change two engines as a result of inspections resulting from the uncontained failure on a QF A380 last Thursday (ATW Daily News, Nov. 5).

Qantas has confirmed that the failure occurred in the intermediate pressure turbine. It marks the second major failure of a Trent engine in three months. On Aug. 2, a Trent 1000 on a testbed at Rolls’ Derby test facility experienced an uncontained failure (ATW Daily News, Aug. 26). In that incident, sources say an oil fire broke out within the engine during high-power test runs and subsequent heating is understood to have weakened the pressure shaft which failed, resulting in an unconstrained turbine which went to over-speed and disintegrated.

Interestingly, the burn marks visible on the A380 engine cowling indicate an oil fire and the intermediate pressure turbine shattered with half of the disc recovered on Bantam Island. That piece of wreckage is now on its way to the UK with Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigators and authorities appealing for the rest of the wreckage to be turned in. The investigation is focusing on both design and material issues of the engine say the sources. Rolls has declined to comment on any possible similarities between the two events.

European safety authorities issued an Airworthiness Directive on the Trent 900 earlier this year but apparently that was complied with and is unrelated to the recent events, Qantas claims.

Qantas has its six A380s spread across the globe. Three A380s are in Los Angeles, one is in Frankfurt, another is in Sydney and the crippled aircraft is in Singapore. Engineers are working around the clock on a series of complex tests to ensure each engine is safe for operations before QF will re-commence A380 operations.

Prior to the grounding, the fleet conducted 50 departures per week out of a total of 613 international departures. QF continues to strive to clear passengers using chartered aircraft from British Airways and by booking some passengers on other airlines.

Separately, a Rolls-Royce RB211-powered QF Boeing 747-400 experienced an inflight engine shutdown after departure from Singapore to Sydney on Friday night. In an ironic twist, the flight deck crew from the A380 that suffered the uncontained failure the previous day were among the passengers on the 747-400.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engin...ve-other-a380-engines-result-inspections-1107

Certo che per RR è una smer.ata bella grossa...
 
Qantas to remove other A380 engines as a result of inspections

By Geoffrey Thomas | November 8, 2010

Qantas will change out at least three Rolls-Royce Trent 900s on two Airbus A380s, while Lufthansa and Singapore will change two engines as a result of inspections resulting from the uncontained failure on a QF A380 last Thursday (ATW Daily News, Nov. 5).

Qantas has confirmed that the failure occurred in the intermediate pressure turbine. It marks the second major failure of a Trent engine in three months. On Aug. 2, a Trent 1000 on a testbed at Rolls’ Derby test facility experienced an uncontained failure (ATW Daily News, Aug. 26). In that incident, sources say an oil fire broke out within the engine during high-power test runs and subsequent heating is understood to have weakened the pressure shaft which failed, resulting in an unconstrained turbine which went to over-speed and disintegrated.

Interestingly, the burn marks visible on the A380 engine cowling indicate an oil fire and the intermediate pressure turbine shattered with half of the disc recovered on Bantam Island. That piece of wreckage is now on its way to the UK with Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigators and authorities appealing for the rest of the wreckage to be turned in. The investigation is focusing on both design and material issues of the engine say the sources. Rolls has declined to comment on any possible similarities between the two events.

European safety authorities issued an Airworthiness Directive on the Trent 900 earlier this year but apparently that was complied with and is unrelated to the recent events, Qantas claims.

Qantas has its six A380s spread across the globe. Three A380s are in Los Angeles, one is in Frankfurt, another is in Sydney and the crippled aircraft is in Singapore. Engineers are working around the clock on a series of complex tests to ensure each engine is safe for operations before QF will re-commence A380 operations.

Prior to the grounding, the fleet conducted 50 departures per week out of a total of 613 international departures. QF continues to strive to clear passengers using chartered aircraft from British Airways and by booking some passengers on other airlines.

Separately, a Rolls-Royce RB211-powered QF Boeing 747-400 experienced an inflight engine shutdown after departure from Singapore to Sydney on Friday night. In an ironic twist, the flight deck crew from the A380 that suffered the uncontained failure the previous day were among the passengers on the 747-400.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engin...ve-other-a380-engines-result-inspections-1107

Certo che per RR è una smer.ata bella grossa...

Articolo molto interessante e ben circostanziato.
Quindi par di capire che la frattura del disco di turbina sia conseguenza di problemi all'impianto di lubrificazione.

Ora, non sono esperto di RB211, ma ricordo che i motori V2500 (in parte progettati da Rolls) hanno temperature di esercizio dell'olio molto superiori a quelle dell'impianto olio dei CFM56-5. Potrebbe quindi trattarsi proprio di un problema derivante dalla filosofia di design dell'hardware motore (cuscinetto in corrispondenza della camera di combistione come sui V2500, per esempio), unito a uno stress maggiore dovuto alle prestazioni motore (spinta) superiori a quelle dei Trent 700 e 800?
 
Qantas keeps A380s grounded over engine 'anomalies'

By Talek Harris, AFP | Mon, Nov 8 2010

Grounding will affect thousands of passengers.

SYDNEY, Monday 8 November 2010 - Qantas said Monday it would keep its fleet of Airbus A380 superjumbos grounded after uncovering "slight anomalies" in some engines, reviving safety fears after two mid-air blow-outs last week.

Chief executive Alan Joyce said rigorous testing had found leaking oil in three of the Rolls-Royce engines, pushing back the long-haul planes' return to action by some days.


"On three of the engines what we found is slight anomalies - oil where oil shouldn't be on the engines," Joyce told Australian public broadcaster ABC.

"These are new engines on new aircraft and they shouldn't have these issues at this stage, so it's given us indication of an area for us to focus into.

"We are keeping an open mind on it but... we think it could have been a materials issue on the engine or a design issue on the engine."

Qantas's impeccable safety record - the Australian flag-carrier has never had a fatal jet crash in 90 years - has come into question after two engine explosions in as many days.

On Thursday, a Qantas Airbus A380 was forced to return to Singapore for an emergency landing after one of its four Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines exploded just minutes into its flight, showering an Indonesian town with debris.

And on Friday, a Qantas Boeing 747 - which was carrying the A380's captain - also had to turn back to Singapore after another model of Rolls-Royce engine also failed in mid-air.

Both flights, which were carrying a combined total of 897 passengers and crew, arrived safely back in Singapore but some of those onboard have spoken of their fear at hearing blasts as the engines failed.

"I just looked at my wife and held hands and I really thought I was going to die," New Zealander Hamzah Munif said of his experience on the Boeing 747-400 after returning to Sydney on Sunday.

But Swedish passenger Peter Geisler said he was not frightened by the malfunction which he described as "no big deal" given the aircraft was able to operate on its three other engines.

"I didn't hear any riots or people crying or anything," he told reporters.

Qantas's six A380s, the world's biggest commercial jet, service lucrative routes from Los Angeles and London to Australia's major cities of Sydney and Melbourne, meaning their grounding affects thousands of passengers.

Joyce last week said he believed an engine design flaw may be at fault. But on Monday he said the double-decker A380s would be operating in "days not weeks" despite the latest findings.

"We are the only operator that has grounded the aircraft. We take safety unbelievably seriously and as a consequence, we are taking this action to ground the aircraft and we will leave them on the ground as long as it takes in order for us to ensure the operation is safe," he said.

"We still believe with the progress we are making - this is days not weeks - but we will take as long as it needs to in order that we are absolutely comfortable the aircraft is safe to fly."

Qantas has angrily denied union claims that the problems may be linked to the outsourcing of maintenance work to companies abroad.

The incidents have overshadowed Qantas's anniversary celebrations which started on Saturday, with visiting "ambassador-at-large" and trained pilot John Travolta forced to defend the airline's safety record.

"One of the prerequisites for joining Qantas was that I be qualified in the Boeing 747-400," said the Hollywood star, according to ABC.

"It was a glorious month of training and I became a much better pilot after it, but I can assure you that it is the hardest training in the world and that's why you guys are so safe."

Shares in the "Flying Kangaroo" dropped 3.85 per cent to 2.75 Australian dollars in early trade.

http://relax.com.sg/relax/news/490512/Qantas_extends_A380s_grounding_over_engine_anomalies2.html

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Singapore Air says no issue with its A380 engines

Mon, Nov 08, 2010
Reuters

Singapore Airlines said on Monday it had completed engine inspections on all its Airbus A380 aircraft and did not find any issues of concern.

One of the Rolls Royce engines on a Qantas Airways A380 broke apart in flight last week, forcing the world's largest passenger plane to make an emergency landing in Singapore with 459 passengers and crew on board.

Australia's Qantas said on Monday it would keep its A380 fleet grounded for at least another 72 hours after discovering problems on three more of the superjumbo's engines.


Singapore Airlines, which was the launch airline for the A380 and operates 11 of the aircraft, initially said it would delay A380 departures, but soon cleared them.

'We have completed the engine inspections on all our A380 aircraft and did not find anything of concern,' SIA spokesman Nicholas Ionides said on Monday.

'The findings of the inspections have been reviewed with Rolls-Royce. Any further checks that may be recommended by the manufacturers will of course be done, and in the meantime we continue with our regular routine checks.'

http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Relax/Story/A1Story20101108-246272.html
 
:sconfortato:Mi hanno appena cambiato sulla prenotazione l'A380 con il 777, sia CDG-JFK dell'11 novembre (AF006), che JFK-CDG del 15 novembre (AF007) che sia un fermo per controlli anche di AF, sebbene non usi i motori RR???
Claudio
 
Qantas A380s remain grounded as new oil leaks discovered; Rolls sees progress in investigation

By Geoffrey Thomas | November 9, 2010

Qantas will keep its Airbus A380 fleet grounded until at least Wednesday as it focuses on whether newly discovered oil leaks may hold the clue to the catastrophic failure of the No. 2 Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine last Thursday (ATW Daily News Nov. 5).

“The A380 fleet will remain out of service for at least 72 hours," QF CEO Alan Joyce said on Monday. "We will not be operating the fleet until we’re 100% sure that we can ensure the safety of our operations going forward.”

Joyce said the finding of the oil leaks in other QF A380 engines had focused the investigation. However, he added that investigations into different areas of the engine would continue “in order to rule out other potential issues.” Joyce said the engines in which the leaks were found "have been removed from the aircraft in question and Rolls-Royce is using those engines to test and look for the causes of the QF32 incident last week.” The leaks “were beyond normal tolerances,” he said.

Separately, Rolls-Royce said in a statement that it, "has made progress in understanding the cause of the engine failure" and that the incident "is specific to the Trent 900 engine," and unconnected to the test-stand failure of a Trent 1000 that occurred in August. Rolls noted that the Trent 900 incident "is the first of its kind to occur on a large civil Rolls-Royce engine since 1994. Since then Rolls-Royce has accumulated 142 million hours of flight on Trent and RB211 engines."

Referring to the incident involving the Trent 1000 for the 787, the company said it occurred "with an engine operating outside normal parameters. We understand the cause and a solution has been implemented."

The use by QF of the highest thrust version of the Trent 900 on its A380s for its flights across the Pacific is thought to have been a possible factor in the incident. Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines operate the 70,000 lb. thrust engine, while QF uses the 72,000 lb. thrust model, with industry observers suggesting a link between the higher thrust and the leaks. QF operates its A380s on the longest routes from Los Angeles to Melbourne and Sydney nonstop which requires additional take-off thrust to carry the extra fuel.

Lufthansa and SIA have found no issues with their Trent 900s. Although SQ did perform an engine change after the QF incident, it was unrelated to the inspections. Lufthansa has said that it has not performed any changes.

Joyce added that QF will discuss compensation from Rolls-Royce once the A380s are flying again.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engin...ounded-new-oil-leaks-discovered-rolls-sees-pr
 
A quanto pare il problema è piuttosto diffuso...

SIA grounds three A380s for engine changes
AFP | Wed, Nov 10 2010

Rolls Royce had advised the carrier to change the engines after tests showed oil stains on them.

SINGAPORE - Singapore Airlines (SIA) said Wednesday it had grounded three Airbus A380 planes to carry out “precautionary” engine changes following a mid-air engine failure on a Qantas-operated superjumbo.

“Based on further analysis of inspection findings as the investigation into last week’s incident involving another operator’s Airbus A380 is progressing, Singapore Airlines will be carrying out precautionary engine changes on three A380s,” the carrier said in a statement.


An SIA spokeswoman told AFP that Rolls Royce had advised the carrier to change the engines after tests showed oil stains on them.

“We were advised by Rolls-Royce in particular that these three engines had signs of oil stains,” she said, stressing the issue was different from the problem that affected the Qantas A380 plane last week.

The three planes are now in London, Sydney and Melbourne pending the engine changes, and SIA could not confirm the duration of their grounding as well as the cost of replacing the engines.

“It really truly is a precautionary thing, we don’t want to take risks,” the SIA spokeswoman said.

The carrier had on Monday said it had found no problems with its Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines used on its fleet of 11 Airbus A380 superjumbos.

The Trent 900 engines were also in use on a Qantas A380 plane that was forced to make an emergency landing on Thursday in Singapore after a mid-air blowout minutes taking off from the city-state’s Changi Airport.

Standard and Poor’s aviation analyst Shukor Yusof said the ongoing problems with the engines would give the Airbus A380’s reputation “a bit of a dent, given this is the flagship carrier of SIA, Emirates and other airlines.”

“The incident has been detrimental to the image of the A380s and casts a shadow on the residual value of the aircraft... given that it is relatively new in the market,” he told AFP.

Rolls-Royce’s image could also be tarnished as it scrambles to resolve problems with the Trent 900 engines, Shukor said.

“This incident is not over yet until Rolls-Royce is able to come out publicly to clarify the queries” that have arisen about its engines, he said.

http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/492014/SIA_grounds_three_A380s_for_engine_changes.html
 
A quanto pare il problema è piuttosto diffuso...

SIA grounds three A380s for engine changes
AFP | Wed, Nov 10 2010
Certo che se tutti gli operatori RR dovessero sostituire i loro motori sugli A380......un bel danno d'immagine.

Immagino che le sostituzioni si faranno con altri RR.
Domanda : è possibile cambiare completamente motorizzazione 'in corsa'? Passare da A380 motorizzati RR a A380 motorizzati GE?
 
Certo che in questi giorno alla RR ci dovrebbe essere un clima assurdo!!!

Sinceramente spero davvero siano tutti allarmi ingranditi, perchè in altro caso sarebbe un vero delirio sia per Airbus che per RR.

Ma Emirates che dice in tutto questo?
 
I motori RR sono utilizzati solo da Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines e Qantas.
Emirates ed Air France hanno motori Engine Alliance (joint venture tra General Electric e Pratt & Whitney)
 
Certo che in questi giorno alla RR ci dovrebbe essere un clima assurdo!!!

Sinceramente spero davvero siano tutti allarmi ingranditi, perchè in altro caso sarebbe un vero delirio sia per Airbus che per RR.

Ma Emirates che dice in tutto questo?

EK non ha motori RR sui suoi 380 quindi dorme serena.
Per quanto riguarda RR, ho il sospetto che se hanno "consigliato" la sostituzione di alcuni motori ai loro clienti, ci sia qualcosa di più di un allarme ingrandito.
Una perdita d' olio è un problema reale e non credo che con il passare del tempo si attenui, anzi...
 
DATE:10/11/10
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news

Lufthansa's first A380 has 'precautionary' engine change
By David Kaminski-Morrow

German flag-carrier Lufthansa has become the latest carrier to undertake an engine change on its Airbus A380 fleet, switching a single powerplant on its first airframe.

The airline is one of three carriers to use the Rolls-Royce Trent 900, currently under scrutiny following the uncontained failure on a Qantas A380.

Lufthansa changed a single engine on the airframe registered D-AIMA, the first A380 delivered to the airline. The jet is just six months old having arrived in mid-May.

A spokesman for the carrier points out that the decision is "precautionary", adding that the airline has discovered "no findings" relating to the Qantas mishap.

Lufthansa says it has been carrying out checks recommended by Rolls-Royce following the uncontained failure on flight QF32 on 4 November.

Rolls-Royce has yet to determine the nature of the failure and has advised Trent 900 operators to conduct checks relating to oil leakage.

Singapore Airlines and Qantas, the other two operators of Trent 900s on their A380 fleets, have each carried out engine changes, and Qantas' A380 fleet remains grounded.