Mio ex vicino di casa, persona esperta e competente. Si occupa parecchio di spazio, ma non disdegna gli articoli aeronautici in genere.
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Mio ex vicino di casa, persona esperta e competente. Si occupa parecchio di spazio, ma non disdegna gli articoli aeronautici in genere.
I piloti AZ che hanno assistito all'incidente penso possano essere utilissimi! Forse loro possono dirci in che modo l'aereo ha impattato il terreno o quant'altro! No?
Qualcuno diceva ieri che i piloti di AZ l'anno visto andare giu di muso e capottare, cosi si spiegherebbe la quasi disintegrazione dell'areomobile.
Però non ho sentito nessuna dichiarazione ufficiale.
Comunque è curioso come l'areoporto nonostante tutto non sia stato chiuso.
Leggevo poi che davanti al 330 c'era un altro aereo AZ che ha deciso di riattaccare e forse è andato in alternate a Malta ( fonti pprune).
Però non ho sentito nessuna dichiarazione ufficiale.
Comunque è curioso come l'areoporto nonostante tutto non sia stato chiuso.
Leggevo poi che davanti al 330 c'era un altro aereo AZ che ha deciso di riattaccare e forse è andato in alternate a Malta ( fonti pprune).
Curioso articolo di USA Today sulla casistica degli incidenti in cui c'é un solo sopravvissuto.
How does one boy survive a plane crash?'
That's the question asked by ABC News reporter Scott Mayerowitz, who reports single-survivor airline crashes are "remarkable" but not unheard of.
Mayerowitz says this is at least the fifteenth time since 1970 that there has been an airline crash that ended with just one survivor. Mayerowitz says "what's even more amazing" is that in those 15 incidents, 12 of the single-survivors have been either a child or a crew member.
"Once again it's a child or a crew member, and I have no idea why," Todd Curtis, director of the aviation-safety focused Airsafe.com Foundation, says to ABC's Mayerowitz.
Curtis continues, saying to ABC: "You scratch your head and wonder why is that? Is it because children can best survive crash forces? Is it because you only have small survival spaces in an aircraft and the smaller you are, the more likely you are to survive? Those are plausible explanations … but no one has done any sort of analysis that I like to call vaguely scientific or mechanical."
The subject was also a topic on NBC's Today Show this morning, with one guest on the show speculating that children survivors in such crashed have perhaps been "shielded" by their parents. Still, other experts tell ABC's Mayerowitz that it's hard to draw meaningful conclusions since the circumstances of each crash tend to be so unique.
Regardless, instances of single-survivor crashes seem miraculous to many. To that point, Airsafe.com's Curtis tells ABC: "The one thing it does do, it puts a lot of media attention on it that would not be there otherwise."
How does one boy survive a plane crash?'
That's the question asked by ABC News reporter Scott Mayerowitz, who reports single-survivor airline crashes are "remarkable" but not unheard of.
Mayerowitz says this is at least the fifteenth time since 1970 that there has been an airline crash that ended with just one survivor. Mayerowitz says "what's even more amazing" is that in those 15 incidents, 12 of the single-survivors have been either a child or a crew member.
"Once again it's a child or a crew member, and I have no idea why," Todd Curtis, director of the aviation-safety focused Airsafe.com Foundation, says to ABC's Mayerowitz.
Curtis continues, saying to ABC: "You scratch your head and wonder why is that? Is it because children can best survive crash forces? Is it because you only have small survival spaces in an aircraft and the smaller you are, the more likely you are to survive? Those are plausible explanations … but no one has done any sort of analysis that I like to call vaguely scientific or mechanical."
The subject was also a topic on NBC's Today Show this morning, with one guest on the show speculating that children survivors in such crashed have perhaps been "shielded" by their parents. Still, other experts tell ABC's Mayerowitz that it's hard to draw meaningful conclusions since the circumstances of each crash tend to be so unique.
Regardless, instances of single-survivor crashes seem miraculous to many. To that point, Airsafe.com's Curtis tells ABC: "The one thing it does do, it puts a lot of media attention on it that would not be there otherwise."
Secondo voi è plausibile l'ipotesi che l'aereo abbia urtato un ostacolo a terra come quelle costruzioni (presumibilmente abusive) che si vedono sul sentiero di discesa nelle vicinanze della pista?
Si, ma abusive o non abusive, in quel caso l'aereo non sarebbe dovuto stare li
Il dato che sarebbe interessante acquisire è cosa hanno visto di preciso i piloti AZ in attesa di decollare e cosa hanno visto gli altri testimoni oculari
Non so se sia gia' stato postato ma questo link ha diverse foto dei resti del povero A330
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/A-loud-crash-then-bodies-everywhere-20100512
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/A-loud-crash-then-bodies-everywhere-20100512
E' devastante cio' che resta dopo un impatto simile. mi ha colpito l'immagine dei sedili. mi sembra fossero sporchi di sangue . spero di aver sbagliato. auguri immensi al piccolo superstite . mi fa tantissima tenerezza.
Visto l'elevato numero di Olandesi presenti a bordo, credo il governo olandese farà molte pressioni per avere delle risposte a breve termine sulle cause dell' incidente. Sarebbe un bel gesto se venissero invitati anche investigatori e tecnici olandesi a partecipare all' indagine, ma conoscendo la Libia penso sia molto difficile se non impossibile
Su Sky TG24 hanno detto che subito è partito per la Libia un team olandese di supporto compresi investigatori per affiancare le autorità libiche.
A meno che non sappiano che è stato qualcosa di compromettente e non vogliano dirlo per qualche motivo non ci sarebbe motivo per cui i libici rifiutino la collaborazione.
Le foto che ho appena visto confermano la mia impressione di ieri. Nessun cratere a terra e piante verdi in mezzo ai rottami. A meno che non ci siano altre immagini sul punto di impatto vogliono dire solo una cosa. E' esploso in aria ad un altezza non eccessiva da allargare la dispersione. E non ci sono segni evidenti di fuoco..
In questo caso però, mi sembra improbabile un coinvolgimento esterno visto che a tre giorni dal fatto non è stata fatta alcuna rivendicazione. Piuttosto strano no?
Libyan Airbus may have been attempting go-around
By SLOBODAN LEKIC (AP) – 2 hours ago
BRUSSELS — The Afriqiyah Airways jet that crashed just before touchdown in Libya may have been attempting a go-around in poor visibility caused by sunlit haze, safety officials and pilots familiar with the airport said Thursday.
The Airbus 330-200 was carrying 103 people from South Africa to the Libyan capital, and a 9-year-old boy from the Netherlands appeared to be the lone survivor.
Both black boxes, the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder, were immediately recovered at the crash site in the capital, Tripoli. Investigators from the United States, France, South Africa, the Netherlands are reportedly helping Libya with the probe into the causes of the accident.
"I am assured that there will be a very thorough investigation, since (the French accident investigation authority) will be party to it and they are one of best accident investigators in the world," said William Voss, president of the U.S.-based Flight Safety Foundation.
He cautioned that "it's important to realize that early assumptions about an accident are often wrong."
Investigators will likely consider technical reasons for the crash, such as catastrophic engine or structural failure just before touchdown. They will also look into whether the pilots were fatigued after a long overnight flight.
Still, safety officials interviewed by The Associated Press say questions have already been raised about the crash because of the condition of the plane's wreckage.
Images and footage from the scene showed a wide debris field, with the aircraft having completely disintegrated, indicating a high-energy impact. But the images did not show any significant evidence of fire, which often accompanies accidents in which the plane's fuel tanks are destroyed.
"I would first look into this, the lack of fire, when searching for a cause. Could it indicate fuel starvation?" said an aviation official who could not be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.
A safety expert who declined to be identified because of possible involvement in the investigation also noted that the lack of a fire may indicate that the plane was low on fuel after the long flight from South Africa.
Pieces of the fuselage appeared to have ended up facing backward — away from the direction of flight — raising the possibility that the Airbus had cartwheeled on impact.
That, in turn, would mean that the plane likely slammed into the ground with one wing tip first, instead of coming down with its wings level — indicating that the pilot may have been banking during the flight's final moments, possibly attempting a go-around after problems on approach.
A frequent cause of aviation disasters during the approach and landing phase is known as "controlled flight into terrain," in which an otherwise airworthy plane is accidentally flown into the ground or water, usually because of the pilots' spatial disorientation.
Tripoli International Airport's navigational systems are considered austere by international standards. On Wednesday, pilots were notified that a key navigational aide was showing false readings due to interference from a construction project — though interference is not uncommon at airports.
The main runway is positioned in an east-west direction, with most arriving aircraft flying in from the east because navigational aides are at that end of the runway and the prevailing wind is from the west. Airliners normally land and take off against the wind because it makes the process easier.
Still, the Afriqiyah Airbus approached the runway from the west, although the airport weather report showed the wind was blowing in the same direction. The pilots were thus looking directly into the sunrise while searching for the runway and also had to contend with an early morning layer of haze that reduced visibility at lower altitude.
A European pilot who has flown to Tripoli numerous times said the standard approach was from the east. He described as "strange" the decision to come in from the opposite direction, particularly in light of the wind direction.
Old Crow
By SLOBODAN LEKIC (AP) – 2 hours ago
BRUSSELS — The Afriqiyah Airways jet that crashed just before touchdown in Libya may have been attempting a go-around in poor visibility caused by sunlit haze, safety officials and pilots familiar with the airport said Thursday.
The Airbus 330-200 was carrying 103 people from South Africa to the Libyan capital, and a 9-year-old boy from the Netherlands appeared to be the lone survivor.
Both black boxes, the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder, were immediately recovered at the crash site in the capital, Tripoli. Investigators from the United States, France, South Africa, the Netherlands are reportedly helping Libya with the probe into the causes of the accident.
"I am assured that there will be a very thorough investigation, since (the French accident investigation authority) will be party to it and they are one of best accident investigators in the world," said William Voss, president of the U.S.-based Flight Safety Foundation.
He cautioned that "it's important to realize that early assumptions about an accident are often wrong."
Investigators will likely consider technical reasons for the crash, such as catastrophic engine or structural failure just before touchdown. They will also look into whether the pilots were fatigued after a long overnight flight.
Still, safety officials interviewed by The Associated Press say questions have already been raised about the crash because of the condition of the plane's wreckage.
Images and footage from the scene showed a wide debris field, with the aircraft having completely disintegrated, indicating a high-energy impact. But the images did not show any significant evidence of fire, which often accompanies accidents in which the plane's fuel tanks are destroyed.
"I would first look into this, the lack of fire, when searching for a cause. Could it indicate fuel starvation?" said an aviation official who could not be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.
A safety expert who declined to be identified because of possible involvement in the investigation also noted that the lack of a fire may indicate that the plane was low on fuel after the long flight from South Africa.
Pieces of the fuselage appeared to have ended up facing backward — away from the direction of flight — raising the possibility that the Airbus had cartwheeled on impact.
That, in turn, would mean that the plane likely slammed into the ground with one wing tip first, instead of coming down with its wings level — indicating that the pilot may have been banking during the flight's final moments, possibly attempting a go-around after problems on approach.
A frequent cause of aviation disasters during the approach and landing phase is known as "controlled flight into terrain," in which an otherwise airworthy plane is accidentally flown into the ground or water, usually because of the pilots' spatial disorientation.
Tripoli International Airport's navigational systems are considered austere by international standards. On Wednesday, pilots were notified that a key navigational aide was showing false readings due to interference from a construction project — though interference is not uncommon at airports.
The main runway is positioned in an east-west direction, with most arriving aircraft flying in from the east because navigational aides are at that end of the runway and the prevailing wind is from the west. Airliners normally land and take off against the wind because it makes the process easier.
Still, the Afriqiyah Airbus approached the runway from the west, although the airport weather report showed the wind was blowing in the same direction. The pilots were thus looking directly into the sunrise while searching for the runway and also had to contend with an early morning layer of haze that reduced visibility at lower altitude.
A European pilot who has flown to Tripoli numerous times said the standard approach was from the east. He described as "strange" the decision to come in from the opposite direction, particularly in light of the wind direction.
Old Crow
Su pprune si discute circa la reale presenza o meno di un volo Az in attesa di decollare.
Non volendo mettere in dubbio quanto riportato da ali ce, é possibile sapere cosa abbiano visto i piloti italiani?
Non volendo mettere in dubbio quanto riportato da ali ce, é possibile sapere cosa abbiano visto i piloti italiani?