SSJ-100 si schianta in Indonesia
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Pensierino cattivo della serata: il FDR è stato trovato, ma una "manina" lo ha preso e fatto sparire.
Anche perchè diversamente, il primo escursionista volenteroso potrebbe andare sul posto, trovarlo e consegnarlo ad autorità indipendenti.
Stesso pensiero mio, anche se un giro in quella zona non credo sia particolarmente semplice da fare.
Simme71
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che sia un CFIT lo han capito tutti ed e' l'oggetto della nota di Rosaviatzia (l'enac russo) di qualche giorno fa.
Ora si tratta di dimostrare a tutti con l'operativita' che il superjet e' un'ottimo aeroplano
Come per Airbus nel 1992 , piu' velivoli vengono consegnati , ed operano, e piu' ci si dimentichera' dell'accaduto, tranne che per le vittime.
Quelle purtoppo non ritornano :-(
Ora si tratta di dimostrare a tutti con l'operativita' che il superjet e' un'ottimo aeroplano
Come per Airbus nel 1992 , piu' velivoli vengono consegnati , ed operano, e piu' ci si dimentichera' dell'accaduto, tranne che per le vittime.
Quelle purtoppo non ritornano :-(
- 10 Dicembre 2007
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Crashed Sukhoi Superjet flight data recorder found
By: MAVIS TOH SINGAPORE
The recorder has been passed to Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee, says Mardjono Siswosuwarno, the case's chief investigator. He could not say when it was found.
"Investigations will start immediately in Indonesia," he adds.
The aircraft's cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was recovered earlier on 15 May.
Although there was damage to the casing of the CVR, its memory chip was intact, another NTSC official tells Flightglobal.
"There is 20 minutes of recording and it's being analysed in Indonesia. We've finished downloading it and three translators are trying to verify the information," he adds.
The Sukhoi Superjet was on its second demonstration flight of the day when the incident happened. Radar contact with the aircraft was lost at 14:33 local time, 12 minutes after take-off from Jakarta's Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport.
Before that, the aircraft had requested to descend to 6,000ft (1,828m) and to do a 360 degree orbit right rotation in the training area of Atang Sanjaya, Indonesia's transport minister revealed in parliament this week.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/crashed-sukhoi-superjet-flight-data-recorder-found-372501/
By: MAVIS TOH SINGAPORE
22 minutes ago
Search teams have recovered the flight data recorder of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft that crashed into a mountain in Indonesia on 9 May.
The recorder has been passed to Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee, says Mardjono Siswosuwarno, the case's chief investigator. He could not say when it was found.
"Investigations will start immediately in Indonesia," he adds.
The aircraft's cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was recovered earlier on 15 May.
Although there was damage to the casing of the CVR, its memory chip was intact, another NTSC official tells Flightglobal.
"There is 20 minutes of recording and it's being analysed in Indonesia. We've finished downloading it and three translators are trying to verify the information," he adds.
The Sukhoi Superjet was on its second demonstration flight of the day when the incident happened. Radar contact with the aircraft was lost at 14:33 local time, 12 minutes after take-off from Jakarta's Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport.
Before that, the aircraft had requested to descend to 6,000ft (1,828m) and to do a 360 degree orbit right rotation in the training area of Atang Sanjaya, Indonesia's transport minister revealed in parliament this week.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/crashed-sukhoi-superjet-flight-data-recorder-found-372501/
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Una buona notizia all'interno di una tragedia: con entrambe i registratori a disposizione si potrà far piena luce sul disastro che, come tutti i disastri aerei precedenti, se non altro sono utili a non ripetere gli stessi errori in futuro.
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Il Comunicato Ufficiale SCAC
Press Release
The FDR of the SSJ100 aircraft #97004 is found and handed over to the investigation commission
May 31, 2012, Moscow – Yesterday evening the Flight data recorder (FDR) of the SSJ100 aircraft #97004 was found at approximately a kilometer of distance from the place of the aircraft collision with ground. This morning the FDR was officially handed over to the Investigation Commission of the National Committee for Transport Safety, KNKT. The unit is not essentially damaged.
The commission is currently inspecting the FDR. After the inspection the Indonesian experts will start to decode the FDR data. The activities will be done in presence of SCAC’s experts that are currently in Indonesia. If necessary, SCAC is ready to provide both technical and expert support in running these works.
“We thank our Indonesian colleagues for carrying out search works in difficult conditions on site. The rescue of the FDR will allow the definition of a clear picture of the event and will expedite the investigation”, noted SCAC President Vladimir Prisyazhnyuk.
Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company
Press Release
The FDR of the SSJ100 aircraft #97004 is found and handed over to the investigation commission
May 31, 2012, Moscow – Yesterday evening the Flight data recorder (FDR) of the SSJ100 aircraft #97004 was found at approximately a kilometer of distance from the place of the aircraft collision with ground. This morning the FDR was officially handed over to the Investigation Commission of the National Committee for Transport Safety, KNKT. The unit is not essentially damaged.
The commission is currently inspecting the FDR. After the inspection the Indonesian experts will start to decode the FDR data. The activities will be done in presence of SCAC’s experts that are currently in Indonesia. If necessary, SCAC is ready to provide both technical and expert support in running these works.
“We thank our Indonesian colleagues for carrying out search works in difficult conditions on site. The rescue of the FDR will allow the definition of a clear picture of the event and will expedite the investigation”, noted SCAC President Vladimir Prisyazhnyuk.
Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company
Indonesia, SSJ-100 precipitato per errore torre controllo?
http://italian.ruvr.ru/2012_06_21/78770682/
http://italian.ruvr.ru/2012_06_21/78770682/
Sarei proprio curioso di scoprire come si puo ' dare la colpa ad un controllore dopo che un aereo si schianta contro una montagna di giorno con il bel tempo mentre fa un giro turistico.....
Ho come l'impressione che i russi siano pronti a dare la colpa anche a Will Coyote che, mentre inseguiva Beep Beep, avrebbe intralciato il volo del SSJ pur di dimostrare che macchina e piloti erano perfetti.
EY460
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Dettagli del preliminart report dall'Aviation Herald. Sembra che i controllori di volo abbiano autorizzato i piloti a scendere ad una quota inferiore all'altezza della montagna contro cui si sono schiantati.
http://avherald.com/h?article=44f464f7/0015&opt=0
http://avherald.com/h?article=44f464f7/0015&opt=0
Quello che non capisco, da profano, è che non sarebbe dovuto suonare di tutto in cockpit con l'avvicinarsi della montagna,anche ammesso l'errore del controllore?
Tiennetti
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Dal Preliminary Report:
All pertinent information on equipment on board the aircraft, such as auto-flight
system, flight management system (FMS), global positioning system (GPS), and
inertial reference system (IRS), terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS)
including their serviceability, relevant maps, charts, approach plates and radar
recordings will be discussed and included in the final report.
All pertinent information on equipment on board the aircraft, such as auto-flight
system, flight management system (FMS), global positioning system (GPS), and
inertial reference system (IRS), terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS)
including their serviceability, relevant maps, charts, approach plates and radar
recordings will be discussed and included in the final report.
speedbird437
Utente Registrato
Preliminary findings from the Sukhoi Superjet 100 crash inquiry show that the aircraft had been cleared to descend below the minimum safe altitude for the area.
Sukhoi had intended to conduct a 30min demonstration flight from Halim to Pelabuhan Ratu at an altitude of 10,000ft.
Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee states that air traffic control cleared the aircraft to depart runway 06 then, upon reaching 2,000ft, turn right to intercept the 200 radial from the Halim VOR beacon before climbing to 10,000ft.
After transferring to Jakarta approach control the crew was instructed to maintain this altitude. But two minutes later - and just 5min into the flight - the pilot requested descent to 6,000ft.
Indonesia's aeronautical information publication showed, however, that the minimum safe altitude was 6,900ft within 25nm of the Halim beacon.
The controller asked the pilot to repeat the descent request and, after he did so, acknowledged it. The pilot responded: "Descend to 6,000ft."
Two minutes later the pilot contacted Jakarta approach again, asking to make a right orbit, which was also approved at 6,000ft. The controller told investigators that, at the moment of this request, radar showed the aircraft was over a training zone at Atang Sanjaya about 17nm southwest of the Halim beacon.
But the aircraft was later found to have crashed into high terrain 28nm from the beacon, on the 198 radial. The impact site, on Mount Salak, was at a height of about 6,000ft.
The route selected for the flight was not a published airway, the inquiry points out, adding that the minimum off-route altitude was 13,200ft.
Weather information for the time of the accident - taken from a meteorological station about 7nm from the crash site - indicated a cloud base of about 2,000ft, with substantial cloud cover and cumulonimbus activity in the vicinity.
Investigators state that the flight-data recorder contains 22min of information from the flight, from engine start. But their preliminary findings have not detailed the operational status of the terrain-awareness and warning system or the various avionics and navigation systems on board the Superjet.
Neither pilot was found to have any traces of alcohol or drugs in their system. No distress signal was received by emergency services. The aircraft's emergency locator transmitter was found with its antenna detached.
None of the 45 occupants - comprising two pilots, a navigator, test-flight engineer and 41 passengers - survived the 9 May crash.
fonte: Flight Global Pro
Sukhoi had intended to conduct a 30min demonstration flight from Halim to Pelabuhan Ratu at an altitude of 10,000ft.
Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee states that air traffic control cleared the aircraft to depart runway 06 then, upon reaching 2,000ft, turn right to intercept the 200 radial from the Halim VOR beacon before climbing to 10,000ft.
After transferring to Jakarta approach control the crew was instructed to maintain this altitude. But two minutes later - and just 5min into the flight - the pilot requested descent to 6,000ft.
Indonesia's aeronautical information publication showed, however, that the minimum safe altitude was 6,900ft within 25nm of the Halim beacon.
The controller asked the pilot to repeat the descent request and, after he did so, acknowledged it. The pilot responded: "Descend to 6,000ft."
Two minutes later the pilot contacted Jakarta approach again, asking to make a right orbit, which was also approved at 6,000ft. The controller told investigators that, at the moment of this request, radar showed the aircraft was over a training zone at Atang Sanjaya about 17nm southwest of the Halim beacon.
But the aircraft was later found to have crashed into high terrain 28nm from the beacon, on the 198 radial. The impact site, on Mount Salak, was at a height of about 6,000ft.
The route selected for the flight was not a published airway, the inquiry points out, adding that the minimum off-route altitude was 13,200ft.
Weather information for the time of the accident - taken from a meteorological station about 7nm from the crash site - indicated a cloud base of about 2,000ft, with substantial cloud cover and cumulonimbus activity in the vicinity.
Investigators state that the flight-data recorder contains 22min of information from the flight, from engine start. But their preliminary findings have not detailed the operational status of the terrain-awareness and warning system or the various avionics and navigation systems on board the Superjet.
Neither pilot was found to have any traces of alcohol or drugs in their system. No distress signal was received by emergency services. The aircraft's emergency locator transmitter was found with its antenna detached.
None of the 45 occupants - comprising two pilots, a navigator, test-flight engineer and 41 passengers - survived the 9 May crash.
fonte: Flight Global Pro