737 Ukraine International Airlines abbattuto dopo il decollo a IKA


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In un altro forum, che si occupa di difesa, riportano questo articolo e questa foto. Non so se possa essere affidabile o meno, ma nel dubbio vi lascio il link.

https://defence-blog.com/news/ukrai...fter-being-hit-by-iranian-tor-m1-missile.html


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Da avhrrald:
During the night from Jan 8th to Jan 9th 2020 somebody on Twitter released a photo of a Tor 9K331 warhead presumably found at the crash site (and temporarily even the reader comments below flooded over referencing that photo). The location as well as the authenticity of the photo were not verifyable. The Aviation Herald therefore sent an inquiry to Iran's AIB with the photo, the supposed location at the crash site and relevant links in support and contradicting the authenticity of that photo and asked, whether the accident investigation had found such a part (expressing the hope that these issues wouldn't add too much to the stresses of the AIB). Iran's AIB Chairman Hassan Rezaeifar responded stating: "We save evidence and wreckage of the aircraft and never found this part. All wreckage parts were transferred to the special hanger in order to investigate with cooperation of NTSB, Ukraine NBAI and other interest parties which has been invited officially." Mr. Rezaeifar continued: "Due to special political condition of my country, we instituted a special group more than technical accident investigation groups to assess the condition of Laser attack or dangerous good- electromagnetic (radioactive threat) and unlawful action. The initial conclusion of this group confirmed that there was not found any evidence of mentioned actions on the accident site. Also we will trace all other evidences of the accident by gathering all information of the accident." The chairman indicated the AIB plans to release a preliminary first report in English during Jan 9th 2020.
E il preliminary...

On Jan 9th 2020 Iran's AIB released a*brief first report in Persian*stating the aircraft began taxi for departure at 06:05L, commenced takeoff at 06:12L and in contact with Imam Khomeini Tower was cleared to climb to FL260. At 06:18L the aircraft climbed through 8000 feet, when the aircraft disappeared from radar, no radio message was received from the aircraft afterwards. Until that point the aircraft had been heading westwards, subsequently it made a right turn as if turning back to the airport due to a technical problem, but impacted ground on that way. A huge explosion occurred as result of impact with the ground. Initial contact with the ground was in a park area, several more collisions with the ground occurred as the aircraft broke up and spread along its trajectory. The ELT activated, however, its antenna separated from the device. All occupants, 167 passengers and 9 crew, perished in the crash, 146 of the passengers used Iranian passports for check in (a number of them holding multiple citizenships), 10 passengers used Afghan, 5 used Canadian, 4 used Swedish and two used Ukrainian passports (all 9 crew also used Ukrainian passports). Witnesses on the ground as well as flight crews at altitude observing the aircraft reported the aircraft was on fire. Both cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were found with impact and fire damage, the memory units are available however also show physical damage on main parts. The AIB sent initial notifications of the accident to Ukraine as country of registration and operation of the aircraft, to the USA as manufacturer, Sweden and Canada as applicants whose nationals were involved in the accident. The AIB requested the Ukraine to participate in the investigation. In accordance with the Chicago Convention the Iranian AIB invites all states, that are recognized as participants into the accident investigation by this document, to accredit representatives. A team of Ukrainian experts are already being dispatched to Iran.
 

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Da CNN:
Investigation underway: Ukraine is now probing multiple possible causes of the crash, including terrorism or a missile strike.
 

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Nota dell'ente Ucraino (NBAAI)

2020-01-09 :: Fatal accident of B-737 UR-PSR in Iran (update)

Ukrainian accredited representative with group of advisors and experts arrived to Islamic Republic of Iran. Investigators would have to collect as much information as possible on the accident site, assess the wreckage in order to control the objectiveness and impartiality of the investigation process. Ukrainian representatives, according to ICAO standards and recommended practices, will participate in procedures of read-out, processing and analysis of flight and voice data, obtained from the flight recorders (black boxes).
 

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Nota dell'ente Ucraino (NBAAI)
Direi che fino ad ora gli iraniani hanno rispettato alla lettera la libretta delle indagini post incidente, compreso l'invito al "nemico" NTSB e al neutrale ento ucraino.
 

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Se è cosi molto probabilmente non ci sarà una inchiesta trasparente sull' accaduto e non sapremo mai le reali cause di questo incidente.
Puoi anche ribaltare lo scenario: se le consegnassero ci sarebbe poi l'accusa di manipolazione per fare saltare fuori una verità comoda alla nazione della quale il costruttore fa parte.
L'approccio seguito (quello di fare partecipare alle indagini l'NTSB, oltre agli altri enti dei paesi coinvolti), per quanto non rimuova del tutto la possibilità di una manipolazione, è corretto e rispettoso delle normative, e se le scatole nere non risulteranno manomesse all'atto dell'apertura (scenario a mio avviso realistico, ma è una mia opinione basata sul fatto che ogni cosa fuori dagli schemi si ritorcerebbe contro l'Iran) garantisce comunque l'onestà dell'inchiesta.
 

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Da avhrrald:


E il preliminary...
Uso il tuo post come appoggio:

Le foto lasciano il tempo che trovano non essendo contestualizzate vicino ai rottami. Qualsiasi altra supposizione non avvalorata da fatti certi e conclamati è aria fritta. Normale che se l'aeromobile passa in prossimità di una zona soggetta a conflitto si parli di sabotaggio o terrorismo ma non ci vedo nulla di strano: le cause che portano ad un evento simile sono tantissime e vanno vagliate tutte siano esse comode o meno.
 

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U.S. officials confident Iran shot down passenger jet

Updated on: January 9, 2020 / 12:23 PM / CBS NEWS
U.S. officials are confident Iran shot down a Ukrainian jetliner in the hours after the Iranian missile attack on U.S. targets earlier this week, CBS News has learned. The Ukrainian International Airlines plane crashed Wednesday soon after takeoff from Tehran's airport, killing all 176 people on board.
U.S. intelligence picked up signals of a radar being turned on, sources told CBS News. U.S. satellites also detected two surface-to-air missile launches, which happened shortly before the plane exploded, CBS News was told.
Federal officials were briefed on the intelligence Thursday, CBS News transportation Kris Van Cleave reports. A source who was in the briefing said it appears missile components were found near the crash site.
This is a developing story and will be updated.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/plane-crash-us-officials-confident-iran-shot-down-passenger-jet-bound-for-ukraine-today-2020-01-09-live-stream-updates/
 

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News Alert: US increasingly believes Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner by accident
The US increasingly believes that Iran mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner on Wednesday, according to multiple US officials. The working theory is based on continuing analysis of data from satellites, radar and electronic data collected routinely by US military and intelligence.

The flight crashed following Iranian strikes on US forces in Iraq.

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he suspected the crash was not due to mechanical issues, indicating that "somebody could have made a mistake on the other side."
 

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Tra i commenti su avherald di un assiduo commentatore (non è "ecumenico", ndr):

Another Video on telegram.. Big blast, 10 sec later bang....
 

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LH600 FRA-IKA sta tornando a FRA, 180 eseguito sopra la Romania.
 

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Se (sottolineo il se) gli iraniani sono davvero responsabili, negare è stata la cosa più stupida che potessero fare.
 

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Un politico italiano diceva: a pensar male si fa peccato ma spesso si indovina!
 

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CNN
News Alert: US increasingly believes Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner by accident
The US increasingly believes that Iran mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner on Wednesday, according to multiple US officials. The working theory is based on continuing analysis of data from satellites, radar and electronic data collected routinely by US military and intelligence.

The flight crashed following Iranian strikes on US forces in Iraq.

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he suspected the crash was not due to mechanical issues, indicating that "somebody could have made a mistake on the other side."
Facce di tolla come al solito: anche la polverina che Powell ha agitato al consiglio di sicurezza doveva essere la prova del gas usato da saddam peccato poi che fosse una bufala. Poi se torniamo indietro nel tempo la storia dice che hanno la brutta abitudine di essere sempre sicuri che la colpa è degli altri perché hanno prove che ahimè non possono mai mostrare. Patetici
 

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Canada believes Flight PS752 was shot down by Iran: Trudeau

TORONTO -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the plane that crashed in Iran Wednesday morning, killing all 176 people aboard, was shot down by an Iranian missile – perhaps by accident.

“We have intelligence from multiple sources, including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile. This may well have been unintentional,” the prime minister said Thursday afternoon at a news conference.

U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested that he also believes Iran was responsible for the plane going down.


Ukraine Airlines flight PS752 when crashed near Tehran shortly after taking off. Sixty-three of its passengers had Canadian passports, and many others were living in Canada as permanent residents or on visas.

Foreign Affairs Minister Francois-Phillippe Champagne has talked to his Iranian counterpart about the crash. According to a summary of the phone call released Thursday by Global Affairs Canada, Champagne pressed Mohammad Javad Zarif to allow Canadian officials into the country to take part in the investigation, help identify the victims and provide consular services.Iran has said that it has invited Canadian investigators to take part in the probe.

Canada and Iran have not had formal diplomatic relations since 2012, when Canada labelled Iran a state sponsor of terrorism.

This is a breaking news update. More details to come.

With files from The Canadian Pres

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-believes-flight-ps752-was-shot-down-by-iran-trudeau-1.4759850
 

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Scusate, da ignorante, ma non dovrebbe in qualche modo vedersi nelle vicinanze le luci dell’aereo?
In teoria si....ma dipende dalla qualità dei video e dei fps del cellulare