Tensioni India/Pakistan e impatto sulle compagnie aeree
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Volo overbooked, infatti viaggiando in standby un po' di paura l'avevo... Comunque alla fine con 17 noshow hanno fatto salire altri 6 standby oltre a me. In business comunque un solo posto libero (poi occupato da me ovviamente). Ma anche all'andata il 23/02 era quasi pieno a tappo. Non c'erano repro di pax Thai anche perché era pieno e non prenotabile da giorni sul sito airitaly. Parlando con colleghi di altre compagnie però è venuto fuori che la maggior parte dei voli Thailandia Europa al momento sono strapieni anche con i pax di thai
UA Flights from India to EWR
Due to air space restriction over South Asia, at this time we have to fly a longer route DEL to EWR and BOM to EWR which require a stop in FRA or MUC, respectively. Flights from EWR to India are not affected.
Due to air space restriction over South Asia, at this time we have to fly a longer route DEL to EWR and BOM to EWR which require a stop in FRA or MUC, respectively. Flights from EWR to India are not affected.
al momento la situazione rimane tesa assai, tanto che UNITED informa che...
Operational update and travel waiver: Newark - Delhi service
Due to seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace, we are currently unable to operate our flights between New York/Newark (EWR) and New Delhi, India (DEL) while meeting crew flying time requirements.
Beginning Friday, April 5, in order to minimize customer inconvenience, we will suspend the service for two weeks.
Operational update and travel waiver: Newark - Delhi service
Due to seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace, we are currently unable to operate our flights between New York/Newark (EWR) and New Delhi, India (DEL) while meeting crew flying time requirements.
Beginning Friday, April 5, in order to minimize customer inconvenience, we will suspend the service for two weeks.
Volato la TG945 ancora venerdì scorso 5 aprile. ora vola sul Mar Nero poi passa da Turchia in Iran e taglia verso sud esce sull'oceano Indiano passato Hormuz e attraversa l'India all'altezza di Mumbai. Risultato circa 10 ore e 30 minuti venerdì... meglio del giro sulla Cina ma ancora circa 1 ora più' lungo di prima.
Un po' antitetico come concetto...
si parla di "minimize" e non di "eliminate"; se devo decidere tra dozzine di potenziali ritardi, stop imprevisti e cancellazioni last minute, mitigo il problema avvisando fin d'ora della cancellazione e garantendo repro via LHG.
Non so quanto questa storia della chiusura dello spazio aereo pakistano sia ancora reale e/o necessaria (presumo lo sia, ma boh...ormai non mi sorprende piu' nulla, nemmeno se vi fosse un obiettivo dietro...), ma di fatto crea grossi problemi ai vettori:
UNITED
DEL service suspension extended through July
As we previously reported, seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace have caused us to suspend our EWR-DEL (New Delhi) service. To minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we are extending the suspension of service between these two cities through July 2 eastbound and July 3 westbound. Customers may continue to visit united.com or check our mobile app to see the latest updates.
...e magari si approfitta per qualche heavy-check, altre rotazioni, low yields...
UNITED
DEL service suspension extended through July
As we previously reported, seasonal winds and the continued closure of Pakistani airspace have caused us to suspend our EWR-DEL (New Delhi) service. To minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we are extending the suspension of service between these two cities through July 2 eastbound and July 3 westbound. Customers may continue to visit united.com or check our mobile app to see the latest updates.
...e magari si approfitta per qualche heavy-check, altre rotazioni, low yields...
...e ancora...
Pakistani airspace has remained closed since early April, and that closure has caused us to extend the suspension of our EWR-DEL (New Delhi) service. To minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we are extending the suspension of service between these two cities through July 31 eastbound and August 1 westbound. Customers may continue to visit united.com or check our mobile app to see the latest updates.
ma con una nota curiosa stavolta:
We have also received questions from employees asking why our Star Alliance Partner Air India continues to operate this route while our service remains suspended. FAA crew duty time limitations – which apply only to U.S. carriers like United – do not permit us to extend the flight time to avoid Pakistan’s airspace
Pakistani airspace has remained closed since early April, and that closure has caused us to extend the suspension of our EWR-DEL (New Delhi) service. To minimize the inconveniences for our customers, we are extending the suspension of service between these two cities through July 31 eastbound and August 1 westbound. Customers may continue to visit united.com or check our mobile app to see the latest updates.
ma con una nota curiosa stavolta:
We have also received questions from employees asking why our Star Alliance Partner Air India continues to operate this route while our service remains suspended. FAA crew duty time limitations – which apply only to U.S. carriers like United – do not permit us to extend the flight time to avoid Pakistan’s airspace
Salve, posto qui per similitudine. Ho sentito per radio che alcune compagnie stanno modificando rotte per evitare il sorvolo di Iran e Golfo Persico ... causa tensioni USA - Iran.... sto per ripartire per BKK lunedì con Thai che ultimamente sorvolava l’Iran... spero non mi tocchi di nuovo un volo di 12 ore sorvolando ChengDu... qualcuno ha notizie?
Anche Alitalia, dopo le compagnie aree Klm, Lufthansa e British Airways modifica la rotta dei suoi voli che sorvolavano l’area dello Stretto di Hormuz. Una decisione legata all’escalation della tensione nella regione dopo l’abbattimento di un drone Usa da parte dell’Iran. C’è un’unica destinazione, quella tra Roma e New Delhi che sorvolava l’area dello Stretto di Hormuz e del Golfo di Oman, fanno sapere all’Adnkronos dall’ Alitalia: come altre compagnie, Alitalia si allontanerà da quella area ma questo non comporterà ritardi, spiegano.
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Global airlines are avoiding parts of Iran-controlled airspace
Sam Meredith
Key Points
British Airways, Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and Air-France KLM’s Dutch subsidiary KLM all announced they would avoid parts of Iranian airspace Friday morning.
It comes after a day of escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an emergency order to its carriers on Thursday.
Some global airlines are redirecting flights to avoid Iran-controlled airspace over the Gulf of Oman and the Strait of Hormuz, citing safety concerns amid intensifying fears of a military confrontation in the Middle East.
A flurry of airlines, including British Airways, Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and Air-France KLM’s Dutch subsidiary KLM, announced they would avoid parts of Iranian airspace Friday morning.
It comes after a day of escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran. President Donald Trump reportedly approved military strikes against the Islamic Republic late Thursday, before abruptly reversing his decision after intense discussions with top national security officials at the White House.
Earlier on Thursday, U.S. officials said an Iranian missile had shot down an unmanned American surveillance drone over the Strait of Hormuz, the world’s busiest transit lane for seaborne oil shipments.
Increased geopolitical tension prompted the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to issue an emergency order to its carriers. The FAA said U.S. operators would be prohibited from flying in an overwater area of Iran-controlled airspace over the Strait of Hormuz and Gulf of Oman until further notice.
The downing of the unarmed Global Hawk aircraft, which can fly at up to 60,000 ft (18,300 m), was the latest of a series of incidents in the Gulf region, a critical artery for global oil supplies, that included explosive strikes on six oil tankers.
In a separate advisory to operators, the FAA said according to flight tracking applications, the nearest civil aircraft was operating within around 45 nautical miles of a U.S. Global Hawk drone when it was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile this week.
FAA says threat is ‘real’
“The threat of a civil aircraft shootdown in southern Iran is real,” the FAA advised operators on Thursday.
“Avoiding the Strait of Hormuz area is recommended — misidentification of aircraft is possible.”
United Airlines said Thursday that it had suspended flights from New Jersey’s Newark airport to the Indian financial capital of Mumbai following a safety review.
The U.S. ban does not apply to airlines from other countries, though several carriers around the world have announced changes to their day-to-day flight operations.
Restricting airspace can often complicate airline efforts to keep routes running in a region where airspace is already congested, in part due to ongoing conflicts which have made it unsafe to fly over some countries.
“In light of the current situation, Emirates has taken precautionary measures including rerouting all flights away from areas of possible conflict,” an Emirates spokesperson told CNBC via email.
“We are carefully monitoring the ongoing developments and are in close contact with the relevant government authorities with regards to our flight operations, and will make further operational changes if the need arises,” they said
Emirates said the reroutings had “minimally affected” some flights but invited customers to check the latest schedules online.
“Safety is the top priority for KLM,” a spokesperson told CNBC via email Friday morning.
“The incident with the drone is reason not to fly over the Strait of Hormuz for the time being. This is a precautionary measure,” they added.
Etihad Airways told CNBC in an emailed statement that the airline had decided to alter certain routes following a consultation with the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA).
“Safety is paramount to Etihad Airways, and together with the GCAA we have agreed to change a number of the flight paths we operate to and from the Arabian Gulf,” a spokesperson said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/21/airlines-avoid-parts-of-iran-controlled-airspace-amid-safety-concerns.html
Sam Meredith
Key Points
British Airways, Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and Air-France KLM’s Dutch subsidiary KLM all announced they would avoid parts of Iranian airspace Friday morning.
It comes after a day of escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an emergency order to its carriers on Thursday.
Some global airlines are redirecting flights to avoid Iran-controlled airspace over the Gulf of Oman and the Strait of Hormuz, citing safety concerns amid intensifying fears of a military confrontation in the Middle East.
A flurry of airlines, including British Airways, Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and Air-France KLM’s Dutch subsidiary KLM, announced they would avoid parts of Iranian airspace Friday morning.
It comes after a day of escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran. President Donald Trump reportedly approved military strikes against the Islamic Republic late Thursday, before abruptly reversing his decision after intense discussions with top national security officials at the White House.
Earlier on Thursday, U.S. officials said an Iranian missile had shot down an unmanned American surveillance drone over the Strait of Hormuz, the world’s busiest transit lane for seaborne oil shipments.
Increased geopolitical tension prompted the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to issue an emergency order to its carriers. The FAA said U.S. operators would be prohibited from flying in an overwater area of Iran-controlled airspace over the Strait of Hormuz and Gulf of Oman until further notice.
The downing of the unarmed Global Hawk aircraft, which can fly at up to 60,000 ft (18,300 m), was the latest of a series of incidents in the Gulf region, a critical artery for global oil supplies, that included explosive strikes on six oil tankers.
In a separate advisory to operators, the FAA said according to flight tracking applications, the nearest civil aircraft was operating within around 45 nautical miles of a U.S. Global Hawk drone when it was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile this week.
FAA says threat is ‘real’
“The threat of a civil aircraft shootdown in southern Iran is real,” the FAA advised operators on Thursday.
“Avoiding the Strait of Hormuz area is recommended — misidentification of aircraft is possible.”
United Airlines said Thursday that it had suspended flights from New Jersey’s Newark airport to the Indian financial capital of Mumbai following a safety review.
The U.S. ban does not apply to airlines from other countries, though several carriers around the world have announced changes to their day-to-day flight operations.
Restricting airspace can often complicate airline efforts to keep routes running in a region where airspace is already congested, in part due to ongoing conflicts which have made it unsafe to fly over some countries.
“In light of the current situation, Emirates has taken precautionary measures including rerouting all flights away from areas of possible conflict,” an Emirates spokesperson told CNBC via email.
“We are carefully monitoring the ongoing developments and are in close contact with the relevant government authorities with regards to our flight operations, and will make further operational changes if the need arises,” they said
Emirates said the reroutings had “minimally affected” some flights but invited customers to check the latest schedules online.
“Safety is the top priority for KLM,” a spokesperson told CNBC via email Friday morning.
“The incident with the drone is reason not to fly over the Strait of Hormuz for the time being. This is a precautionary measure,” they added.
Etihad Airways told CNBC in an emailed statement that the airline had decided to alter certain routes following a consultation with the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA).
“Safety is paramount to Etihad Airways, and together with the GCAA we have agreed to change a number of the flight paths we operate to and from the Arabian Gulf,” a spokesperson said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/21/airlines-avoid-parts-of-iran-controlled-airspace-amid-safety-concerns.html
Sarò anche un pirla o un matto, ma sono pronto a scommettere che non accadrà un bel nulla.
Anzi, non mi stupirei affatto se, dopo un po' di botta e risposta di celodurismo, tra qualche mese ci trovassimo il parrucchino seduto ad un tavolo con Rouhani esattamente come ha fatto col coreano. My two cents
Anzi, non mi stupirei affatto se, dopo un po' di botta e risposta di celodurismo, tra qualche mese ci trovassimo il parrucchino seduto ad un tavolo con Rouhani esattamente come ha fatto col coreano. My two cents
Piano UA ad oggi; mi inizio a chiedere se e quanto queste rotte sull'India (in generale) siano profittevoli o meno...stante che sembra il pretesto migliore per tagliare operativi e che nessuno ci stia guadagnando un penny in India, tanto meno vettori come AI e 9W che pure sono (erano) padroni di casa. Che siano i cicciobus delle ME3 ad aspirare un mercato che risulta asfittico? E si che e' nel piano pure un terzo volo, il nuovo SFO-DEL... (che magari sostituira' netto lo schedule da EWR?)
India service suspended until Oct. 26
Due to the continued restriction of Pakistani airspace, we are extending our suspension of service between EWR and BOM (Mumbai) and DEL (New Delhi) until Oct. 26, 2019 (eastbound). We are continuing to keep employees at our stations in India, as well as affected crew members, updated as we make service adjustments.
We are contacting our customers to update them and assisting those who may need to make other travel arrangements, including rebooking on other airlines or offering full refunds. We will remain in close contact with relevant government authorities in order to provide our customers with the latest updates and most efficient travel experience under these circumstances.
We still expect to begin our third nonstop flight to India in December with the launch of seasonal service between SFO and DEL – the only nonstop service by a U.S. airline from the West Coast to Delhi.
India service suspended until Oct. 26
Due to the continued restriction of Pakistani airspace, we are extending our suspension of service between EWR and BOM (Mumbai) and DEL (New Delhi) until Oct. 26, 2019 (eastbound). We are continuing to keep employees at our stations in India, as well as affected crew members, updated as we make service adjustments.
We are contacting our customers to update them and assisting those who may need to make other travel arrangements, including rebooking on other airlines or offering full refunds. We will remain in close contact with relevant government authorities in order to provide our customers with the latest updates and most efficient travel experience under these circumstances.
We still expect to begin our third nonstop flight to India in December with the launch of seasonal service between SFO and DEL – the only nonstop service by a U.S. airline from the West Coast to Delhi.
Pakistan Fully Reopens Airspace to Overflights
by Gregory Polek- July 16, 2019, 2:55 PM
Pakistan on Tuesday reopened its entire airspace to commercial traffic following almost six months of closures due to tensions arising from February attacks in India-controlled Kashmir by a Pakistan-based militant group. A Notam issued by Pakistani authorities officially ended the restrictions, which resulted in several international airlines curtailing service on several routes between Europe and Asia. The airspace closure added as much as 350 nautical miles—or an hour’s flying time—on certain routes, costing airlines’ fuel and stretching crew work hours beyond legal limits, according to OpsGroup.
“Pakistan being open again makes the traditional and preferred Europe-Asia route through Afghanistan, Pakistan and onwards to India available again, and means that city pairs abandoned after the February shutdown will likely be restarted,” OpsGroup said in a blog posting Tuesday.
Although Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority lifted a total flight ban “with restrictions” in early March, certain flight corridors—largely affecting flights between Europe and Delhi—remained closed.
The initial airspace closure came almost immediately after Pakistani warplanes shot down an Indian MiG-21, as hostilities with India reached a crisis level in late February. Efforts to ease tensions saw Pakistan days later hand over an Indian pilot who parachuted into Pakistani territory. Nevertheless, not until midnight on Monday did Pakistan see fit to lift all the restrictions.
by Gregory Polek- July 16, 2019, 2:55 PM
Pakistan on Tuesday reopened its entire airspace to commercial traffic following almost six months of closures due to tensions arising from February attacks in India-controlled Kashmir by a Pakistan-based militant group. A Notam issued by Pakistani authorities officially ended the restrictions, which resulted in several international airlines curtailing service on several routes between Europe and Asia. The airspace closure added as much as 350 nautical miles—or an hour’s flying time—on certain routes, costing airlines’ fuel and stretching crew work hours beyond legal limits, according to OpsGroup.
“Pakistan being open again makes the traditional and preferred Europe-Asia route through Afghanistan, Pakistan and onwards to India available again, and means that city pairs abandoned after the February shutdown will likely be restarted,” OpsGroup said in a blog posting Tuesday.
Although Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority lifted a total flight ban “with restrictions” in early March, certain flight corridors—largely affecting flights between Europe and Delhi—remained closed.
The initial airspace closure came almost immediately after Pakistani warplanes shot down an Indian MiG-21, as hostilities with India reached a crisis level in late February. Efforts to ease tensions saw Pakistan days later hand over an Indian pilot who parachuted into Pakistani territory. Nevertheless, not until midnight on Monday did Pakistan see fit to lift all the restrictions.
UA si adegua:
India Operations Update
After reviewing plans based on the reopening of Pakistani airspace, we will resume our daily nonstop service between New York/Newark (EWR) and both Delhi (DEL) and Mumbai (BOM) on September 6, 2019 (eastbound) and September 7, 2019 (westbound). Tickets are now available for purchase.
India Operations Update
After reviewing plans based on the reopening of Pakistani airspace, we will resume our daily nonstop service between New York/Newark (EWR) and both Delhi (DEL) and Mumbai (BOM) on September 6, 2019 (eastbound) and September 7, 2019 (westbound). Tickets are now available for purchase.