Qantas, Emirates seal 'extensive' alliance


MalboroLi ha detto:
ma solo io non sono convintissimo? Ci saranno degli indubbi vantaggi, però così come sono le cose, un passeggero può partire da qualunque città europea (dove vola BA), fare scalo a londra e Singapore, e arrivare in qualunque città australiana; ora invece il mercato europeo sarà coperto solo nelle città servite da Emirates
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A prescindere dalla nuova alleanza, BA e QF manterranno svariati CS, anche per coprire quelle situazioni dove EK (per ora) non arriva. Trovo difficile immaginare che QF neghi a BA i CS sui propri voli SIN-Australia, come pure che BA non conceda agli australiani il CS sul suo voli SIN-LHR, con l'aggiunta appunto delle destinazioni europee che altrimenti resterebbero scoperte. In fondo entrambe le compagnie sono OW e reduci da un'alleanza di lunga data che sembrerebbe essersi conclusa senza traumi.
Avrebbe poco senso non sfruttare quelle nicchie che l'accordo EK-QF non riuscirà a coprire.

Lo conferma, pur senza entrare nei dettagli, lo stesso Willie Walsh:

British Airways, Qantas to end JSA after Emirates hook-up

By Alan Dron | September 6, 2012

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British Airways (BA) and Qantas (QF) will terminate their long-running revenue-sharing agreement on UK-Australia routes following the Australian flag-carrier’s decision to embark on a new global partnership arrangement with Emirates Airline (EK) (ATW Daily News, Sept. 6).
The existing BA-QF Joint Services Agreement (JSA) has enabled the two companies to share revenues and costs since 1995. BA’s parent, International Airlines Group (IAG), said the JSA will end March 31, 2013—the day before the new QF-EK agreement starts.
“We’re ending the joint business on amicable terms and support Qantas’ decision to work with Emirates,” IAG chief executive Willie Walsh said. “The world has changed since 1995 when the joint business started. This is a small part of our overall network and this move fits in with changes in our global strategy.” IAG was already talking to several airlines about replacement arrangements, particularly for services into Asia, Walsh said.
Despite ending their agreement, BA and QF will continue to work together as part of the oneworld alliance and through bilateral codeshares, he added. “The good relationship that we have with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce and his team will continue through our joint membership of oneworld.”
“Over the past 17 years, the joint business with British Airways has been central to the Qantas network,” QF CEO Alan Joyce said. “However, global operating conditions have changed and partnership with Emirates is the right strategy for Qantas.”

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/ba-qantas-end-jsa-after-emirates-hook-0906

 
MalboroLi ha detto:
ma solo io non sono convintissimo? Ci saranno degli indubbi vantaggi, però così come sono le cose, un passeggero può partire da qualunque città europea (dove vola BA), fare scalo a londra e Singapore, e arrivare in qualunque città australiana; ora invece il mercato europeo sarà coperto solo nelle città servite da Emirates
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Beh, considera che il transito da T5 al T3 a Heathrow ti fa perdere un sacco di tempo (se non a volte il bagaglio); poi per raggiungere Londra da quasi tutte le citta' europee stai andando nella direzione opposta all'Australia (da FCO aggiungi 2.5 ore di volo inutili ad altre 24 ore nette in volo); infine il T3 a Heathrow e' uno zoo (il peggiore di LHR ora che il T2 e' stato chiuso)... insomma tutti motivi che non depongono proprio a favore dell' (ex) codeshare BA/QF.
 
domanda banale: partendo dalla lettura dei post di qs thread, potrebbe nascere una 4a alleanza, sulla base di EK e Qantas??? Basterebbe solo un forte alleato in america.....
 
belumosi ha detto:
Tra l'altro che questa news bruci moltissimo a Singapore (sia per l'abbandono di SIN, sia per l'accresciuta concorrenza a SQ) è ben testimoniato dal basso profilo che la notizia ha sul principale portale locale: giusto un anonimo trafiletto a fondo pagina, proprio perchè non si poteva evitare.
Tanto per capirci, tra le notizie principali ci sono l'arrivo dei panda a Singapore, la presentazione della Volkswagen Cross Polo e un articolo dedicato all'associazione che protegge i cani.
http://www.asiaone.com/A1Home/A1Home.html
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Finalmente un articolo decente sul portale singaporese:

Singapore shrugs off Qantas-Emirates alliance
AFP | Fri, Sep 7 2012

SINGAPORE - Singapore's Changi Airport said Friday that it will remain a major hub for Qantas and other carriers despite the Australian airline's decision to shift its European connection point to Dubai.
Qantas said Thursday that flights from Australia to London and Frankfurt, and vice-versa, would stop running through Singapore from April 2013 as part of a new global alliance with the Dubai-based Emirates.

The Changi Airport Group said that despite the move Qantas was planning to step up connections between Australia and Singapore.
"We understand that Qantas faces challenges in its international business and needs to restructure its network," the Changi Airport Group said in an emailed response to queries from AFP.
Changi currently serves Qantas routes between Singapore and five Australian cities - Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide - with a total of 90 flights per week.
The airport, which is still being expanded, serves about 100 airlines operating 6,200 weekly flights to 220 cities in 60 countries.
A spokesman for Singapore Airlines - which competes with both Qantas and Emirates - declined to comment on the new alliance.
"However, speaking entirely in general terms, we have faced competition since day one, so it is not unfamiliar to us," the spokesman told AFP, adding that the airline uses alliances to boost its network and offer connections for passengers.
Shukor Yusof, an aviation analyst with Standard & Poor's Equity Research, said Changi remains competitive as an aviation hub despite the impending loss of Qantas' Europe-bound services.
"It's not a huge blow. Changi will still remain an active participant more than anything else," he said, citing the Asian travel boom boosted by rising income levels and the emergence of regional budget carriers.
Some analysts, however, cautioned that the Qantas-Emirates deal could signal more serious competition in the longer term between Singapore and Dubai.
"This is a very bad sign for Singapore," said Jonathan Galaviz, managing director of business consultancy Galaviz & Co. which specialises in Asia.
"Singapore's position as an airline hub in Asia is going to be strongly challenged by Dubai over the coming years," he told AFP.
Data from Sydney-based industry monitor Centre for Aviation showed Qantas accounts for 8.2 per cent of Changi's air traffic measured on an available-seat-kilometre (ASK) basis, second only to Singapore Airlines.
"Qantas is the second largest carrier by ASKs at Singapore Changi and while it may seek to increase local Australia-Asia traffic, Changi will lose Qantas' two daily A380 and single 747-400 service from Singapore to Europe," it added.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the carrier remains focused on serving Asian routes including Singapore.
"Qantas will increase dedicated capacity to Singapore, and re-time flights to Singapore and Hong Kong to enable many more 'same day' connections across Asia," he said Thursday at the launch of the Emirates alliance.

http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/1305080/Singapore_shrugs_off_Qantas_Emirates_alliance.html

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E Qantas introduce lo chaffeur.

Qantas to introduce chauffeur service
AsiaOne | Fri, Sep 7 2012

Qantas on Friday announced a new chauffeur service for its customers as part of its global airline partnership with Emirates.
The door-to-door service, Chauffeur Drive, will be offered to Qantas passengers travelling in First and Business on flights more than 12 hours long.

The airline plans to start the service in April 2013.
Chauffeur Drive will be available to the airline's customers travelling on flights between Australia and London, Dubai, Los Angeles, Dallas, New York, Santiago and Johannesburg, it said in a statement to the media.
Passengers will be collected in a luxury vehicle and driven to the airport to meet their flight. Upon arrival at their destination, they will be met by another chauffeur service and driven to their hotel, office or home.
Travellers connecting via a domestic flight from Adelaide, Brisbane, Canberra, Hobart, Perth, Sydney or Melbourne to a Qantas international flight will be also be entitled to the service.
The offer also extends to Qantas customers travelling from Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington to Australia to connect to an international flight.
Subject to regulatory approval, Qantas announced on Thursday that it will form a global alliance with Emirates and move its hub for European flights to Dubai from Singapore in a bid to stem losses. Last month, it announced a net loss of Aus$244 million (S$310 million), reported AFP.
The airlines’ frequent flyer programs will also be aligned when the partnership gets the green light.

http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/1305132/Qantas_to_introduce_chauffeur_service.html

 
Ufficializzata la fine del CS tra AF e QF.

Qantas, Air France to end codeshare after Emirates tie-up

By Victoria Moores | September 11, 2012

Qantas (QF) and Air France (AF) will end their codeshare agreement April 1, in a decision triggered by QF’s exclusive global partnership with Emirates (EK) announced last week (ATW Daily News, Sept. 6).
QF and AF have codeshared since December 2004 on flights from Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG) to Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney. The agreement covers 60 weekly frequencies, including 38 via Singapore and 22 via Hong Kong.
QF last week also announced plans to end its long-standing joint services agreement with British Airways because of the EK deal (ATW Daily News, Sept. 6).
“The agreement between AF and QZ should, at the request of Qantas, cease from April 1, 2013,” an AF spokesman said, adding that while AF is considering possible alternatives, AF-operated services between CDG and Australia are not currently under consideration.
AF offers three Australian destinations—Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney—via Guangzhou in a codeshare agreement with SkyTeam partner China Southern Airlines (CZ). Sister carrier KLM also serves five Australian destinations—Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney—from Amsterdam in partnership with CZ and Malaysia Airlines.

http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/news/qantas-air-france-end-codeshare-after-emirates-tie-0911



 
Il prossimo 8 ottobre i boss di OW e AA annunceranno il nuovo membro di Oneworld



Oneworld will hold an event announcing a "significant membership development" on 8 October, coming amidst widely-reported discussions with Qatar Airways about joining the alliance.

The event will be held in New York and includes Bruce Ashby, chief executive of Oneworld, Tom Horton, chairman and chief executive of American Airlines, and Willie Walsh, chief executive of International Airlines Group (IAG), according to documents obtained by Flightglobal.

Qatar has been linked to joining one of the big three alliances in the near future.

Snagging the Doha-based carrier would be a coup for Oneworld. It would be the first of the big three alliances to include one of the major Gulf airlines and would ratchet up pressure on SkyTeam and Star to forge partnerships with either Emirates or Etihad.

Oneworld already includes Royal Jordanian as a member and SriLankan Airlines is slated to become a member in late 2013.

Qatar declines to comment on whether it is joining Oneworld.


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/oneworld-to-announce-new-member-qatar-expected-377073/

E ancora...

Following the tie-up between Emirates and Qantas earlier in the month there were suggestions that British Airways and the Doha airline could create a similiar deal - but that was dismissed by Qatar's CEO Akbar Al Baker.

Now reports in the US media suggest that the tie up will instead be through the alliance. Qatar would be the first of the major Gulf carriers to join an alliance. Emirates has always fervantly resisted the alliance route believing it would cost them customers. Etihad has created its own mini-alliance through aquisition and code share deals.

Flightglobal reported today that an event announcing a "significant membership development" will take place on 8 October in New York. The online news service said it had seen documents that said the meeting would include Bruce Ashby, chief executive of Oneworld, Tom Horton, chairman and chief executive of American Airlines, and Willie Walsh, chief executive of International Airlines Group (IAG).

Qatar will not comment on the alliance issue. If the announcement is made as predicted, Qatar will join Royal Jordanian as a Oneworld member

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/qa...ews&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=news_feed
 
Fox ha detto:
Cosa succede alle compagnie del golfo, stanno uscendo fuori dal loro guscio?
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Il loro mercato principale l'hanno presidiato, ora devono decidere come procedere per allargare il proprio mercato globalmente e giocarsi al meglio la partita interna con EK che attualmente la fa da padrona.
 
Farfallina ha detto:
Il loro mercato principale l'hanno presidiato, ora devono decidere come procedere per allargare il proprio mercato globalmente e giocarsi al meglio la partita interna con EK che attualmente la fa da padrona.
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A questo punto non potrebbero allearsi EK, QR EY per formare un super squadrone? Cosi non si ostacolano a vicenda. Ovviamente avrebbero bisogno di partner esterni per tessere la loro rete...
 
Non ci sono i presupposti , questi non hanno problemi di dover far tornare i conti facendo alzare le tariffe o dover risparmiare sui costi, anzi fare dumping sulle tariffe é una loro strategia spesso e volentieri.Ora gli servono accordi ed alleanze per allargarsi oltre la zona d'influenza d'eccezione.
 
Australia regulator backs Qantas-Emirates deal

Qantas Airways has been given initial approval from Australia's competition authority for its proposed alliance with Dubai-based Emirates.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) said the benefits of the tie-up - such as co-ordinating ticket prices and schedules - would outweigh the reduced competition.

It will make a final decision in March.

Qantas and Emirates announced their alliance plans back in September. Neither is investing in the other.

"The ACCC considers that the alliance is likely to result in material, although not substantial, benefits to Australian consumers," ACCC chairman Rod Sims said in a statement.

"The main benefit arising from the alliance is an improved product and service offering by the two airlines to their customers.

Qantas is seeking the alliance as it aims to turnaround its loss-making international service.

"A key objective is to make Qantas International strong and viable, and bring it back to profitability," said Alan Joyce, chief executive of Qantas.

"This partnership will help us do that."

The tie-up with Emirates will see Qantas end its existing relationship with British Airways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20793570
 
Re: Australia regulator backs Qantas-Emirates deal

Stavo spulciando dei voli per l'australia per l'estate e ho notato che per l'Europa sono caricati i c/s solo sui voli MXP-DXB e MAN-DXB e viceversa

QF 8017/18 (EK 17/18) QF 8019/20 (EK 19/20) su MAN
QF 8101 e QF8092 (EK101/EK 92) e QF8093/4 (EK93/4) su MXP
 
Re: Australia regulator backs Qantas-Emirates deal

micky87 ha detto:
Stavo spulciando dei voli per l'australia per l'estate e ho notato che per l'Europa sono caricati i c/s solo sui voli MXP-DXB e MAN-DXB e viceversa

QF 8017/18 (EK 17/18) QF 8019/20 (EK 19/20) su MAN
QF 8101 e QF8092 (EK101/EK 92) e QF8093/4 (EK93/4) su MXP
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La strada credo sia quella, estendere i c/s su tutti i vol EK.
 
[h=1]QANTAS – Emirates Opens Codeshare Reservations[/h] by JL
Update at 0200GMT 15JAN13

As per 15JAN13 GDS timetable and inventory display, QANTAS has opened reservations for codeshare service operated by Emirates, starting 31MAR13. To-date, only 2 European routes has been opened for reservation under “QF” code, while other routes will be opened for sale progressively during the course of next few weeks.
Dubai – Manchester
EK021/QF8021 DXB0300 – 0740MAN 77W
EK017/QF8017 DXB0755 – 1225MAN 388 D
EK018/QF8018 MAN1410 – 0015+1DXB 388 D
EK020/QF8020 MAN2100 – 0705+1DXB 77W D
Stopover traffic at Dubai is permitted
Dubai – Milan Malpensa
EK101/QF8101 DXB0340 – 0825MXP 332 D
EK093/QF8093 DXB0905 – 1345MXP 773 D
EK094/QF8094 MXP1520 – 2325DXB 773 D
EK092/QF8092 MXP2220 – 0630+1DXB 773 D
Dubai – Milan Malpensa is only available for connection from QF coded flights, stopover at Dubai is not permitted.
At present time, QANTAS is only codesharing on 2 of 3 daily Emirates’ Manchester and Milan Malpensa service.
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A MARZO L’OK DEFINITIVO DELL’ANTITRUST AUSTRALIANA, NELL’ACCORDO IL TERMINAL AIRBUS A380 DI DUBAI

Primo via libera dall’Antitrust australiana (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission’s, ACCC) alla partnership tra Emirates, la compagnia di bandiera degli Emirati Arabi Uniti e l’analoga australiana Qantas, due tra i principali vettori del pianeta. Dopo l’autorizzazione provvisoria (ad interim) le due aziende attendono l’approvazione definitiva, prevista per marzo.

La decisione è arrivata due settimane dopo l’inaugurazione del nuovo terminal A dell’aeroporto di Dubai, l’unico al mondo costruito ad hoc per l’Airbus A380 in dotazione alla compagnia araba. Con questo accordo, i passeggeri in arrivo dall’Australia potranno usufruire dei servizi di prima classe a bordo del quadrireattore.

Per conoscere le tariffe del nuovo servizio sarà necessario attendere ancora alcune settimane, in vista della decisione dell’ACCC.
 
[h=1]QANTAS – Emirates Expands Codeshare Reservation Availability as of 22JAN13[/h] by JL
Update at 0215GMT 22JAN13

QANTAS and Emirates (22JAN13) further expands reservations for planned codeshare service, due to start from 31MAR13. As of 22JAN13, QANTAS’ “QF” code is appearing on 47 routes/sectors operated by Emirates, while Emirates begins to display “EK” code on selected QANTAS service.
On 15JAN13, Airline Route reported that only 2 routes operated by Emirates were displaying “QF” code. Latest codeshare routes available for reservation as follows.
QANTAS operated by Emriates (QF8000 – 8999 Series)
Bangkok – Sydney
Dubai – Accra*
Dubai – Adelaide
Dubai – Amman
Dubai – Amsterdam*
Dubai – Athens
Dubai – Bahrain
Dubai – Bangkok
Dubai – Barcelona
Dubai – Birmingham
Dubai – Brisbane
Dubai – Cairo*
Dubai – Copenhagen
Dubai – Dammam
Dubai – Dublin
Dubai – Dusseldorf
Dubai – Frankfurt
Dubai – Geneva
Dubai – Glasgow
Dubai – Hamburg
Dubai – Istanbul
Dubai – Jeddah
Dubai – Kuala Lumpur
Dubai – London Gatwick
Dubai – London Heathrow
Dubai – Lyon*
Dubai – Madrid
Dubai – Manchester
Dubai – Melbourne
Dubai – Milan Malpensa*
Dubai – Munich
Dubai – Muscat
Dubai – Nairobi
Dubai – Newcastle
Dubai – Nice*
Dubai – Paris CDG*
Dubai – Perth
Dubai – Prague
Dubai – Riyadh
Dubai – Rome*
Dubai – Singapore
Dubai – Vienna
Dubai – Zurich
Kuala Lumpur – Melbourne
Singapore – Brisbane
Singapore – Colombo
Singapore – Melbourne

* Stopover at Dubai not allowed
Emirates operated by QANTAS (EK5000 – 5999 Series)
Dubai – London Heathrow
Dubai – Melbourne
Dubai – Sydney

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