Incidente 777 Asiana a SFO
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Io l'avevo interpretata come WAY too low ma credo abbia ragione tu
la cosa che uccide è anche quando dice "NTSB has confirmed these are the names of the pilots"
Captain something wrong!!!
Comunque era palesemente uno scherzo ma la conduttrice l'ha fatto passare come una cosa seria, devono aver sostituito i nomi veri a sua insaputa (e dei produttori).
Comunque era palesemente uno scherzo ma la conduttrice l'ha fatto passare come una cosa seria, devono aver sostituito i nomi veri a sua insaputa (e dei produttori).
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ma non posso non rilevare la genialità di chi ha messo in piedi sta cosa...
World’s Airline Management Culture to Blame for Asiana Crash
The unfortunate crash of Asiana Flight 214 two days ago is an accident that has been 15 years in the making.
On June 28, 1998, a United Airlines 747-400 departed San Francisco from runway 28R when the aircraft suffered an engine failure just after takeoff and the Pilot at the controls so badly mishandled the recovery, that the aircraft barely cleared the San Bruno hills by only 100 feet setting off car alarms and sending residents scurrying for cover.
The later report from the NTSB cited the Pilot’s inability to correctly identify and recover from one of the most practiced emergencies and that this was directly a result of a lack of recent real time flight experience and manual handling proficiency.
It seems as if once again this lesson has been lost on the Airline Industry.
I imagine that even before the NTSB report comes out that something very similar will be in the Board’s findings on this accident as well. In addition, I would bet that fatigue, lack of training and a complete failure of the all of the pilot’s situational awareness will also be cited as contributing factors. What all of this comes down to is that the Pilots training or lack thereof had failed them.
In terms of the conditions for the approach, this should have been a routine landing, even for a pilot under training and especially for the Captain who was conducting the training on this flight. However, what occurred was anything but routine.
On final approach, Asiana Flight 214’s attitude decayed to a point well before the crash that could only be described as being a completely unstable approach.
So what does all of this have to do with the Culture of Airline Management?
Fifteen years ago, it was indentified that there was a deficiency and erosion in the skills of pilots flying predominately long-haul routes and that there was a need to rectify this through increased training and also that when the situation was warranted and under controlled conditions, that the automatics of the aircraft should be disengaged and that the pilot should manually fly the aircraft to maintain their proficiency and familiarity with the handling characteristics of the aircraft in which they fly.
What has instead happened, is that training has been reduced to save costs and Airline Management across all of the Industry has discouraged their flight crew from disconnecting the automatics and the Manufacturers have backed this up with their own hubris extolling the performance of their automation saying that there a is minimal need, if ever, for the Pilot’s to fly the aircraft manually.
The result of all of this is what we saw in San Francisco over the weekend. Several experienced pilots who were not sufficiently trained to handle their aircraft in manual flight and the result being the loss of two lives for now and several injured.
The System of Air Travel is an amazing and complex system and thanks to the dedication and hard work of so many talented people, runs most days without a hitch. But as we all know things do change, break, mistakes are made and as this is known in the Industry an ‘Error Chain’ begins to form. When all of the errors in this chain of events line up, an incident or sometimes an accident will occur.
What will be debated after this accident and which has been discussed since automation first began making its way into the cockpits of modern airliners, is where do the errors originate, with the Pilot’s or with the automation. With this new technology the error chain has definitely been consistently weakened and this automation has been responsible for covering up many deficiencies that occur inside the cockpit and externally that once caused so many accidents.
But what we have witnessed is that even with all of these advancements, on a clear and sunny day with calm winds, is that there is no substitute for a well trained pilot.
Whatever, comes out of this investigation, I hope that the Industry and the Managers responsible for maintaining the proficiency of their Flight Departments will take to heart the importance of proper and regular training.
There will be more sunny days with aircraft without autothrust, with the Instrument Landing System inoperative, a runway with non-standard markings, it could possibly be another training flight and on top of all of this, all of the crew will be incredibly fatigued from a long night over the Pacific. What we can hope for is that this lesson will not be lost again on those responsible for the maintaining the standards of Aircrew. We can hope that Airline Managers will finally understand that training and proficiency are two things that cannot be sacrificed because no matter what their cost, the cost of not maintaining this standard is so much greater.
The unfortunate crash of Asiana Flight 214 two days ago is an accident that has been 15 years in the making.
On June 28, 1998, a United Airlines 747-400 departed San Francisco from runway 28R when the aircraft suffered an engine failure just after takeoff and the Pilot at the controls so badly mishandled the recovery, that the aircraft barely cleared the San Bruno hills by only 100 feet setting off car alarms and sending residents scurrying for cover.
The later report from the NTSB cited the Pilot’s inability to correctly identify and recover from one of the most practiced emergencies and that this was directly a result of a lack of recent real time flight experience and manual handling proficiency.
It seems as if once again this lesson has been lost on the Airline Industry.
I imagine that even before the NTSB report comes out that something very similar will be in the Board’s findings on this accident as well. In addition, I would bet that fatigue, lack of training and a complete failure of the all of the pilot’s situational awareness will also be cited as contributing factors. What all of this comes down to is that the Pilots training or lack thereof had failed them.
In terms of the conditions for the approach, this should have been a routine landing, even for a pilot under training and especially for the Captain who was conducting the training on this flight. However, what occurred was anything but routine.
On final approach, Asiana Flight 214’s attitude decayed to a point well before the crash that could only be described as being a completely unstable approach.
So what does all of this have to do with the Culture of Airline Management?
Fifteen years ago, it was indentified that there was a deficiency and erosion in the skills of pilots flying predominately long-haul routes and that there was a need to rectify this through increased training and also that when the situation was warranted and under controlled conditions, that the automatics of the aircraft should be disengaged and that the pilot should manually fly the aircraft to maintain their proficiency and familiarity with the handling characteristics of the aircraft in which they fly.
What has instead happened, is that training has been reduced to save costs and Airline Management across all of the Industry has discouraged their flight crew from disconnecting the automatics and the Manufacturers have backed this up with their own hubris extolling the performance of their automation saying that there a is minimal need, if ever, for the Pilot’s to fly the aircraft manually.
The result of all of this is what we saw in San Francisco over the weekend. Several experienced pilots who were not sufficiently trained to handle their aircraft in manual flight and the result being the loss of two lives for now and several injured.
The System of Air Travel is an amazing and complex system and thanks to the dedication and hard work of so many talented people, runs most days without a hitch. But as we all know things do change, break, mistakes are made and as this is known in the Industry an ‘Error Chain’ begins to form. When all of the errors in this chain of events line up, an incident or sometimes an accident will occur.
What will be debated after this accident and which has been discussed since automation first began making its way into the cockpits of modern airliners, is where do the errors originate, with the Pilot’s or with the automation. With this new technology the error chain has definitely been consistently weakened and this automation has been responsible for covering up many deficiencies that occur inside the cockpit and externally that once caused so many accidents.
But what we have witnessed is that even with all of these advancements, on a clear and sunny day with calm winds, is that there is no substitute for a well trained pilot.
Whatever, comes out of this investigation, I hope that the Industry and the Managers responsible for maintaining the proficiency of their Flight Departments will take to heart the importance of proper and regular training.
There will be more sunny days with aircraft without autothrust, with the Instrument Landing System inoperative, a runway with non-standard markings, it could possibly be another training flight and on top of all of this, all of the crew will be incredibly fatigued from a long night over the Pacific. What we can hope for is that this lesson will not be lost again on those responsible for the maintaining the standards of Aircrew. We can hope that Airline Managers will finally understand that training and proficiency are two things that cannot be sacrificed because no matter what their cost, the cost of not maintaining this standard is so much greater.
San Francisco, salgono a tre le vittime Morta anche una bambina cinese per le ferite
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/13_lu...ma_b1270098-eb87-11e2-8187-31118fc65ff2.shtml
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/13_lu...ma_b1270098-eb87-11e2-8187-31118fc65ff2.shtml
sai qual'è la differenza fra un pilota koreano e un expat?...l'expat ha paura di morire.....citazione di un tri asiatico..
Prime mosse difensive per Asiana:
Asiana Says KTVU Damaged Its Reputation With Offensive Broadcast
Asiana Airlines Inc. (020560) said a California television station “seriously damaged” the carrier’s reputation by broadcasting incorrect names of the pilots on its jet that crashed in San Francisco on July 6.
Asiana decided to take “strong steps” to sue KTVU-TV because the report was racially discriminating, Lee Hyo Min, a spokeswoman for the South Korean airline, said in Seoul today. The company will take legal action in the U.S., she said.
KTVU channel 2 issued an apology on July 12 after its noon newscast that misidentified the Asiana pilots. The network said it made “several mistakes” when it got the information, according to a statement on its website. Calls to the TV station in Oakland weren’t answered outside regular office hours today.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board also apologized for “inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed” as those of the pilots of the crashed jet, the Board said in a July 12 statement.
“In response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft,” NTSB said.
Three people were killed while more than 300 survived the wreck at San Francisco International Airport, the first fatal airline accident in the U.S. since 2009. It was Seoul-based Asiana’s first crash since a Boeing Co. 747 cargo plane went down at sea in July 2011.
The Asiana Boeing 777 crashed as it struck a seawall short of a runway, slammed to the ground and spun off the tarmac. South Korean investigators plan to probe the pilots after they undergo medical checkups, the transport ministry said. The pilots returned to Seoul on July 13, it said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-its-reputation-with-offensive-broadcast.html
Asiana Says KTVU Damaged Its Reputation With Offensive Broadcast
Asiana Airlines Inc. (020560) said a California television station “seriously damaged” the carrier’s reputation by broadcasting incorrect names of the pilots on its jet that crashed in San Francisco on July 6.
Asiana decided to take “strong steps” to sue KTVU-TV because the report was racially discriminating, Lee Hyo Min, a spokeswoman for the South Korean airline, said in Seoul today. The company will take legal action in the U.S., she said.
KTVU channel 2 issued an apology on July 12 after its noon newscast that misidentified the Asiana pilots. The network said it made “several mistakes” when it got the information, according to a statement on its website. Calls to the TV station in Oakland weren’t answered outside regular office hours today.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board also apologized for “inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed” as those of the pilots of the crashed jet, the Board said in a July 12 statement.
“In response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft,” NTSB said.
Three people were killed while more than 300 survived the wreck at San Francisco International Airport, the first fatal airline accident in the U.S. since 2009. It was Seoul-based Asiana’s first crash since a Boeing Co. 747 cargo plane went down at sea in July 2011.
The Asiana Boeing 777 crashed as it struck a seawall short of a runway, slammed to the ground and spun off the tarmac. South Korean investigators plan to probe the pilots after they undergo medical checkups, the transport ministry said. The pilots returned to Seoul on July 13, it said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-its-reputation-with-offensive-broadcast.html
Questa dello scaricabarile sullo summer intern del NTSB è surreale. Non si capisce se qualcuno continua a prendere per i fondelli oppure se è una risposta standard prestampata dell'ufficio legale che non ha capito che la conferma da parte del NTSB faceva parte dello scherzo.
Eh sì, c'è davvero il rischio che la gente non voli più Asiana perché qualche imbecille si è inventato dei nomi falsi.
Questa vicenda dei nomi falsi mi ricorda questi annunci: http://www.hendess.net/london.htm
non so se è già stata postata (non ho riletto tutto il 3d), ma questa visualizzazione dell'incidente mi sembra interessante, grazie anche al confronto con l'atterraggio standard.
http://video.corriere.it/ecco-come-...rancisco/42de5912-ee00-11e2-98d0-98ca66d4264e
http://video.corriere.it/ecco-come-...rancisco/42de5912-ee00-11e2-98d0-98ca66d4264e
ALPA Takes NTSB to Task on Asiana Crash Reporting
The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) labeled the NTSB “reckless” last week for releasing operational details about the Asiana Airlines 214 accident in San Francisco on July 6. The Board has held nearly daily news conferences since the accident in which chairman Deborah Hersman has spoken about its initial listen to the cockpit voice recorder and other devices. ALPA said it is “stunned by the amount of detailed operational data from on-board recorders released by the NTSB this soon in the investigation,” and called the level of early disclosure “unprecedented.” The association believes releasing too much preliminary data can interfere with the investigative process, encourage wild speculation and “represents a detriment to flight safety” by making it appear the Board has already determined a probable cause. ALPA did not respond to requests from AIN to explain its concerns in more detail. NTSB public-affairs division chief Kelly Nantel told AIN, “One of the hallmarks of an NTSB investigation is transparency. We routinely provide the public with factual information throughout the investigative process. As an independent federal agency, we serve as advocates for the traveling public. For the public to have confidence in the investigative process, transparency and accuracy are critical.”
The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) labeled the NTSB “reckless” last week for releasing operational details about the Asiana Airlines 214 accident in San Francisco on July 6. The Board has held nearly daily news conferences since the accident in which chairman Deborah Hersman has spoken about its initial listen to the cockpit voice recorder and other devices. ALPA said it is “stunned by the amount of detailed operational data from on-board recorders released by the NTSB this soon in the investigation,” and called the level of early disclosure “unprecedented.” The association believes releasing too much preliminary data can interfere with the investigative process, encourage wild speculation and “represents a detriment to flight safety” by making it appear the Board has already determined a probable cause. ALPA did not respond to requests from AIN to explain its concerns in more detail. NTSB public-affairs division chief Kelly Nantel told AIN, “One of the hallmarks of an NTSB investigation is transparency. We routinely provide the public with factual information throughout the investigative process. As an independent federal agency, we serve as advocates for the traveling public. For the public to have confidence in the investigative process, transparency and accuracy are critical.”
Aereo San Francisco, autopsia: Investimento causa morte di una vittima
San Mateo (California, Usa), 19 lug. (LaPresse/AP) - Una delle ragazze cinesi morte dopo l'incidente aereo avvenuto il 6 luglio a San Francisco è deceduta perchè investita da un veicolo. Lo ha dichiarato il medico legale della contea di San Mateo, Robert Foucrault, pubblicando i dati dell'autopsia della sedicenne Ye Meng Yuan, studentessa cinese. Foucrault ha spiegato che le ferite multiple subite dalla ragazza coincidono con quelle causate da un investimento da parte di un veicolo a motore. Il mezzo in questione non è stato specificato. Joanne Hayes-White, capo dei vigili del fuoco di San Francisco, ha dichiarato che le autorità ritengono che il veicolo responsabile sia un camion dei pompieri. La ragazza, in base alle ricostruzioni, era coperta da schiuma ritardante e non è stata vista del mezzo in arrivo per spegnere le fiamme sull'aereo.
19 luglio 2013
Tiscali.it
San Mateo (California, Usa), 19 lug. (LaPresse/AP) - Una delle ragazze cinesi morte dopo l'incidente aereo avvenuto il 6 luglio a San Francisco è deceduta perchè investita da un veicolo. Lo ha dichiarato il medico legale della contea di San Mateo, Robert Foucrault, pubblicando i dati dell'autopsia della sedicenne Ye Meng Yuan, studentessa cinese. Foucrault ha spiegato che le ferite multiple subite dalla ragazza coincidono con quelle causate da un investimento da parte di un veicolo a motore. Il mezzo in questione non è stato specificato. Joanne Hayes-White, capo dei vigili del fuoco di San Francisco, ha dichiarato che le autorità ritengono che il veicolo responsabile sia un camion dei pompieri. La ragazza, in base alle ricostruzioni, era coperta da schiuma ritardante e non è stata vista del mezzo in arrivo per spegnere le fiamme sull'aereo.
19 luglio 2013
Tiscali.it
Certo che se fosse confermato.... povera ragazza, non era proporio il suo giorno fortunato.
Le foto dell'aereo dopo il cresh
http://jalopnik.com/take-an-eerie-look-inside-the-terrifying-wreckage-of-as-836697213
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http://jalopnik.com/take-an-eerie-look-inside-the-terrifying-wreckage-of-as-836697213
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