Come funziona l'ETOPS e le abilitazioni per ottenerlo per i NB? E' simile a quello per i WB o ci sono cambiamenti rilevanti?
Da giugno 2014, un'altra low cost inizia voli transatlantici: WestJet.
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Ma siamo sicuri che serve l'ETOPS ? Mi sembra che la rotta possa essere paragonabile a DUB-TFS se si considerano la Groenlandia e Shannon.
Chiamare WS low cost e un errore prima di tutto, secondo il volo in questione e cmq piu cortisol di diverse rotte
gia operate da West Jet
gia operate da West Jet
Serve l'ETOPS per le rotte che prevedono di attraversare zone nelle quali ci si trova a piu' di 60 minuti da un aeroporto adatto all'atterraggio. Mi sembra questo il caso. In ogni modo non e' un problema per WestJet, che gia' vola alle Hawaii, per cui l'ETOPS e' gia' in loro possesso.
Credo che WS sia molto piu' LC di altre compagnie (tipo air berlin), ma qui si finisce per discutere del sesso degli angeli.
E' pero' certamente vero che YYT-DUB e' decisamente piu' corto di YUL-YVR
YYT è praticamente lungo la rotta ortodromica seguita (salvo ovviamente correzioni legate ai venti) da tutti i voli che collegano la costa orientale americana e l'Europa: ha bisogno dello stesso ETOPS di quei voli - minimo 120/138. Già con ETOPS 90 si deve fare una bella deviazione: in un paio di occasioni, a causa dell'APU inop., voli sui quali viaggiavo sono passati molto più a nord, sfiorando la costa della Groenlandia.
Se la visibiltà è buona lo spettacolo deve essere unico
Magari! Una volta erano tutte nuvole (di giorno), l'altra era un volo notturno e me la sono dormita.
Prima di essere etops, queste rotte necessitano della certificazione MNPS. A meno di non voler compiere la traversata a FL280...
In effetti Irlanda e Terranova sono molto più vicine di quanto si pensi.
Un po'l'Atlantico di mezzo, un po'i planisferi con proiezione di Mercatore (che non tengono conto della minor distanza tra i meridiani e quindi tra i continenti alle latitudini superiori) sui quali si studia la geografia contribuiscono ad ingrandire la distanza nell'immaginario collettivo. Un 737NG ce la fa alla grande, considerato che con lo stesso aereo le compagnie charter britanniche vanno in Grecia, Egitto e Cipro mentre quelle scandinave vanno alle Canarie.
Lo si può tranquillamente definire volo di medio raggio
Un po'l'Atlantico di mezzo, un po'i planisferi con proiezione di Mercatore (che non tengono conto della minor distanza tra i meridiani e quindi tra i continenti alle latitudini superiori) sui quali si studia la geografia contribuiscono ad ingrandire la distanza nell'immaginario collettivo. Un 737NG ce la fa alla grande, considerato che con lo stesso aereo le compagnie charter britanniche vanno in Grecia, Egitto e Cipro mentre quelle scandinave vanno alle Canarie.
Lo si può tranquillamente definire volo di medio raggio
WestJet Flying to Dublin Heightens Air Canada Showdown
WestJet Airlines Ltd. (WJA)’s first foray into Europe positions the Calgary-based low-fare carrier to compete head-on with Air Canada (AC/B) in the trans-Atlantic market by the end of the decade.
After starting seasonal daily service in June to Dublin from St. John’s, Newfoundland, the country’s second-biggest carrier will decide by November whether to add other European destinations beginning in 2015, Executive Vice President Bob Cummings said. He wouldn’t identify those prospective cities.
“Dublin is the first toe in the water to perhaps another frontier or horizon for us -- flying trans-Atlantic,” Cummings said in a telephone interview from Calgary. “There is the potential for us to fly to four or five cities out of Atlantic Canada.”
Serving multiple European venues would cement a shift into long-haul operations from WestJet’s roots as a discounter in western Canada. Possible future destinations include London’s Stansted airport, Edinburgh and Manchester, England, spurring orders for wide-body planes, said Ben Cherniavsky, a Raymond James Ltd. analyst in Vancouver.
WestJet began operations in 1996 with three single-aisle Boeing Co. 737s serving five cities. Its network now spans more than 80 cities, mostly in Canada and the U.S. along with Central America and the Caribbean. Fadi Chamoun, a BMO Capital Markets analyst in Toronto, predicts regular European service within five years.
Fully Fledged
“I’d be very surprised if WestJet isn’t flying trans-Atlantic by the end of the decade,” Chamoun said in a telephone interview. “I think of this as a five-year proposition. By 2018, they would become a fully fledged mainline carrier.”
WestJet gained 42 percent this year through Dec. 6, beating the 6.8 percent advance of Canada’s benchmark Standard & Poor’s/TSX Composite Index. The widely traded Class B shares of Air Canada (AC/A), the country’s largest airline, have more than quadrupled.
Chamoun and Cherniavsky both rate WestJet as market perform, the equivalent of hold. They’re among four analysts with that recommendation, compared with 12 who say buy, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Chief Executive Officer Gregg Saretsky led WestJet to net income of C$65.1 million ($61.1 million) in the third quarter on sales of C$924.8 million. Air Canada, led by CEO Calin Rovinescu, had net income of C$299 million on revenue of C$3.48 billion in the period.
Smaller Plane
WestJet plans to fly to Dublin with a jet seldom used for trans-Atlantic travel: a Boeing 737-700, which can seat 136 people and fly a maximum of 6,115 kilometers (3,800 miles). International carriers such as Air Canada typically use wide-bodies such as Boeing’s 777 or Airbus SAS’s A330, with double the passenger capacity and almost twice as much range.
Dublin is about 3,300 kilometers from St. John’s. Passengers from Toronto, Canada’s largest city, will need to make a stop for a brief aircraft inspection in Newfoundland before the plane continues on to Dublin. The stop is mandated as part of WestJet’s certification for over-ocean flying.
“Going to Dublin with a 737 is more about learning than anything else,” said BMO’s Chamoun. “It’s not a product that is going to give them the runway to grow share in the Atlantic. You can’t really compete on the Atlantic with a narrow-body. This is about getting experience and a knowledge of the market.”
Jet Upgrade?
WestJet will need to order or lease larger jets in the next few years if it’s serious about capturing a meaningful share of trans-Atlantic flying, said Jennifer Radman, a fund manager at Caldwell Investment Management in Toronto, which oversees about C$1 billion and holds WestJet stock.
Royal Bank of Canada funds are WestJet’s biggest shareholder, with a stake of about 3.3 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Montreal-based asset management firm Letko Brosseau & Associates Inc. is the largest holder for Air Canada, with about 18 percent of the Class B stock, thedata show.
Air Canada estimates its controls 37 percent of the nation’s market for international flights compared with WestJet’s 4 percent. Robert Palmer, a WestJet spokesman, said the estimates are accurate.
For Air Canada, WestJet’s Dublin route is “immaterial,” Rovinescu said Nov. 19 at an investor conference.
Air Canada
“In our context it’s a very small amount of capacity,” Rovinescu said. “While they may have plans and ambitions in the future, at this stage it’s a non-event as far as we are concerned.”
Air Canada isn’t standing pat in some markets that may be on its rival’s radar. Dublin, Manchester and Edinburgh will be added by June to the network of Air Canada’s low-cost Rouge unit, which began operations in July.
Customer response to WestJet’s Nov. 15 Dublin announcement has been positive, according to the company. The introductory fare from Toronto via St. John’s was C$597. That’s about half of the C$1,096 that Air Canada is now charging for a July flight to Dublin on Rouge.
“We’re not just another carrier that’s flying over the Atlantic Ocean,” Cummings said. “The fares are low fares, and they are liberating that market. When you look at the Atlantic Canada market intoEurope, it can lead to a bigger opportunity.”
2015 Expansion
That break could come as soon as 2015, with direct flights to “four or five” European cities from Newfoundland and Halifax, Nova Scotia, if demand is sufficient, Cummings said.
“If you drew the circle around St. John’s or Halifax, that does take you to some pretty substantive cities in Europe besides Dublin,” Cummings said. “We’re not tipping our hand by naming the cities, but you are into multiple countries.”
While Chief Financial Officer Vito Culmone said at an investor conference last month that exploratory talks about wide-body planes were under way, Cummings said any such order would likely be at least a few years away.
Instead, WestJet is focusing on the expansion of its Encore regional unit, which will have a fleet of seven Bombardier Inc (BBD/B).- made turboprops by month’s end and 16 more by the end of 2014. Encore seeks to capture part of a C$2 billion market for short-haul Canadian and trans-border flights.
“We do have our hands full with Encore,” Cummings said. “There’s no hurry here in ordering wide-bodies. There’s no imminent announcement here, but we are looking out a long way, and that’s always how we’ve done things.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-09/westjet-flying-to-dublin-heightens-air-canada-showdown.html
WestJet Airlines Ltd. (WJA)’s first foray into Europe positions the Calgary-based low-fare carrier to compete head-on with Air Canada (AC/B) in the trans-Atlantic market by the end of the decade.
After starting seasonal daily service in June to Dublin from St. John’s, Newfoundland, the country’s second-biggest carrier will decide by November whether to add other European destinations beginning in 2015, Executive Vice President Bob Cummings said. He wouldn’t identify those prospective cities.
“Dublin is the first toe in the water to perhaps another frontier or horizon for us -- flying trans-Atlantic,” Cummings said in a telephone interview from Calgary. “There is the potential for us to fly to four or five cities out of Atlantic Canada.”
Serving multiple European venues would cement a shift into long-haul operations from WestJet’s roots as a discounter in western Canada. Possible future destinations include London’s Stansted airport, Edinburgh and Manchester, England, spurring orders for wide-body planes, said Ben Cherniavsky, a Raymond James Ltd. analyst in Vancouver.
WestJet began operations in 1996 with three single-aisle Boeing Co. 737s serving five cities. Its network now spans more than 80 cities, mostly in Canada and the U.S. along with Central America and the Caribbean. Fadi Chamoun, a BMO Capital Markets analyst in Toronto, predicts regular European service within five years.
Fully Fledged
“I’d be very surprised if WestJet isn’t flying trans-Atlantic by the end of the decade,” Chamoun said in a telephone interview. “I think of this as a five-year proposition. By 2018, they would become a fully fledged mainline carrier.”
WestJet gained 42 percent this year through Dec. 6, beating the 6.8 percent advance of Canada’s benchmark Standard & Poor’s/TSX Composite Index. The widely traded Class B shares of Air Canada (AC/A), the country’s largest airline, have more than quadrupled.
Chamoun and Cherniavsky both rate WestJet as market perform, the equivalent of hold. They’re among four analysts with that recommendation, compared with 12 who say buy, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Chief Executive Officer Gregg Saretsky led WestJet to net income of C$65.1 million ($61.1 million) in the third quarter on sales of C$924.8 million. Air Canada, led by CEO Calin Rovinescu, had net income of C$299 million on revenue of C$3.48 billion in the period.
Smaller Plane
WestJet plans to fly to Dublin with a jet seldom used for trans-Atlantic travel: a Boeing 737-700, which can seat 136 people and fly a maximum of 6,115 kilometers (3,800 miles). International carriers such as Air Canada typically use wide-bodies such as Boeing’s 777 or Airbus SAS’s A330, with double the passenger capacity and almost twice as much range.
Dublin is about 3,300 kilometers from St. John’s. Passengers from Toronto, Canada’s largest city, will need to make a stop for a brief aircraft inspection in Newfoundland before the plane continues on to Dublin. The stop is mandated as part of WestJet’s certification for over-ocean flying.
“Going to Dublin with a 737 is more about learning than anything else,” said BMO’s Chamoun. “It’s not a product that is going to give them the runway to grow share in the Atlantic. You can’t really compete on the Atlantic with a narrow-body. This is about getting experience and a knowledge of the market.”
Jet Upgrade?
WestJet will need to order or lease larger jets in the next few years if it’s serious about capturing a meaningful share of trans-Atlantic flying, said Jennifer Radman, a fund manager at Caldwell Investment Management in Toronto, which oversees about C$1 billion and holds WestJet stock.
Royal Bank of Canada funds are WestJet’s biggest shareholder, with a stake of about 3.3 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Montreal-based asset management firm Letko Brosseau & Associates Inc. is the largest holder for Air Canada, with about 18 percent of the Class B stock, thedata show.
Air Canada estimates its controls 37 percent of the nation’s market for international flights compared with WestJet’s 4 percent. Robert Palmer, a WestJet spokesman, said the estimates are accurate.
For Air Canada, WestJet’s Dublin route is “immaterial,” Rovinescu said Nov. 19 at an investor conference.
Air Canada
“In our context it’s a very small amount of capacity,” Rovinescu said. “While they may have plans and ambitions in the future, at this stage it’s a non-event as far as we are concerned.”
Air Canada isn’t standing pat in some markets that may be on its rival’s radar. Dublin, Manchester and Edinburgh will be added by June to the network of Air Canada’s low-cost Rouge unit, which began operations in July.
Customer response to WestJet’s Nov. 15 Dublin announcement has been positive, according to the company. The introductory fare from Toronto via St. John’s was C$597. That’s about half of the C$1,096 that Air Canada is now charging for a July flight to Dublin on Rouge.
“We’re not just another carrier that’s flying over the Atlantic Ocean,” Cummings said. “The fares are low fares, and they are liberating that market. When you look at the Atlantic Canada market intoEurope, it can lead to a bigger opportunity.”
2015 Expansion
That break could come as soon as 2015, with direct flights to “four or five” European cities from Newfoundland and Halifax, Nova Scotia, if demand is sufficient, Cummings said.
“If you drew the circle around St. John’s or Halifax, that does take you to some pretty substantive cities in Europe besides Dublin,” Cummings said. “We’re not tipping our hand by naming the cities, but you are into multiple countries.”
While Chief Financial Officer Vito Culmone said at an investor conference last month that exploratory talks about wide-body planes were under way, Cummings said any such order would likely be at least a few years away.
Instead, WestJet is focusing on the expansion of its Encore regional unit, which will have a fleet of seven Bombardier Inc (BBD/B).- made turboprops by month’s end and 16 more by the end of 2014. Encore seeks to capture part of a C$2 billion market for short-haul Canadian and trans-border flights.
“We do have our hands full with Encore,” Cummings said. “There’s no hurry here in ordering wide-bodies. There’s no imminent announcement here, but we are looking out a long way, and that’s always how we’ve done things.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-09/westjet-flying-to-dublin-heightens-air-canada-showdown.html
Piccolo aggiornamento, WestJet ha deciso di prendere 4 B767-300ER dal 2015 - di cui 2 pare siano destinati ai servizi transatlantici.
E' la prima volta che WestJet operera' dei widebody dall'inizio delle operazioni della compagnia nata nel 1996.
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E' la prima volta che WestJet operera' dei widebody dall'inizio delle operazioni della compagnia nata nel 1996.
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C'è una lunga tradizione di voli TATL canadesi orientati al mercato leisure turistico/etnico.
Oltre Air Transat, colosso storico direi, più recentemente Air Canada Rouge e prima ancora le varie SkyService, Zoom. etc.......tra l'altro tutte operanti anche in Italia.
WestJet tra l'altro credo possa tranquillamente in futuro avere le carte per entrare in un'alleanza, OW o in seconda battuta ST.
Quale è la rotta più lunga fatta con un NB ?
Io ho fatto un Samanà Mxp con un 757 , lunghetta e strettina, scalo tecnico a Santa Maria.
Io ho fatto un Samanà Mxp con un 757 , lunghetta e strettina, scalo tecnico a Santa Maria.
ma dai , non lo sapevo, visto che abito nelle vicinanze adesso....
Però i 757 intercontinentali degli americani sono configurati un pò meglio, io presi un AMS JFK di Northwest e volai piuttosto bene, poi comunque Pisa NY è un pò più corta.
Però i 757 intercontinentali degli americani sono configurati un pò meglio, io presi un AMS JFK di Northwest e volai piuttosto bene, poi comunque Pisa NY è un pò più corta.