Compagnie americane contro quelle del Golfo: proposta la revisione dell'Open Skies


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Us, EU carriers renew political onslaught against Gulf carriers


Delta Air Lines (DL, Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson) along with American Airlines (AA, Dallas/Fort Worth) and United Airlines (UA, Chicago O'Hare) have petitioned senior officials in the US government to limit the Gulf carrier's access to the country's airspace.

Speaking at the recent World Routes convention in Denver last week, former deputy assistant secretary of State John Byerly said executives from the three airlines recently held talks with US Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx, Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker, and other senior administration officials in a bid to curb their growing prominence in the US market.

“It’s disturbing — at least it’s disturbing to me — to learn that a troika of the CEOs of Delta, United, and American met on Wednesday and Thursday of this week with two members of President Obama’s Cabinet and with other senior Administration officials for a reported further salvo in their war against Open Skies,” he said.

According to Routes Online, their proposals reportedly included a cap on the number of flights Emirates, Etihad Airways, and Qatar Airways can operate to the United States, the renegotiating of Open Skies treaties signed between the United States and the United Arab Emirates and Qatar respectively such that severe capacity restrictions are imposed on the Gulf carriers, or failing that, the possible outright repudiation of said Open Skies agreements.

In the past, Delta CEO Richard Anderson has called for the replacements of Open Skies with a “Fair Skies” policy, which would take into account disparities in income taxes, labour laws and subsidies, when devising bilateral agreements.

“We are broadly in favour of Open Skies – but we’re in favour of Fair Skies,” Anderson told CBS News travel. “A number of those carriers are not airlines, they are governments. They have huge subsidies and structural advantages.”

In December, the US carriers' European counterparts, Lufthansa and Air France-KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, wrote a joint letter to the European Commission asking it to take steps against the Middle Eastern carriers which they have accused of distorting the market by virtue of their alleged state subsidization. They also called for a thorough investigation into all Gulf carrier investments in European carriers, the most recent of which was Qatar Airways' acquisition of a 9.99% stake in the International Airlines Group (IAG) - parent to British Airways, Vueling Airlines, and Iberia.

Both the Americans and the Europeans complaints stem from alleged state subsidies the Gulf carriers are given, both directly and indirectly, by their respective governments. They argue that access to lower airport user fees at their respective Middle Eastern hubs and their ability to tap cheaper finance than their US and European rivals allows them to undercut their rivals on longhaul routes to Europe and to the United States.

“If you compete with [Gulf carriers] in an open sky situation, it’s sort of suicide. It means European airlines will disappear,” Jean-Cyril Spinetta, the honorary chairman of the Air France-KLM Group, said.

Etihad CEO and President, James Hogan, has denied these accusations stating that consumers benefit when airlines compete on product and service. He argues that the biggest problems facing the European industry are long-standing issues including congestion from under-investment in airports and airspace management, high operating costs at traditional hub airports, high labour costs and inconsistent and inequitable taxes levied on airlines and passengers.

For its part, Emirates has rejected the allegations of subsidization as false. It claims both US and European airlines are using the claims as a means of nudging their politically sensitive governments into enforcing protectionist policies.

“At Emirates we see much to be encouraged about: more and more countries recognise that liberal air access has a multiplier effect on their economies and best serves their national interest. Yet there are still cases where some flag carriers or their alliance proxies successfully block new competition, by creating an echo-chamber of repeated false assertions about rivals," Tim Clark, President, Emirates Airline, said. "We recognise that our success has made us a target and some airlines have been willing to make gross misrepresentations about Emirates and Dubai in order to serve their interests. We have nothing to hide and welcome all discussion on our activities.”

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Il discorso non è tanto se le compagnie del golfo ricevono sovvenzioni dirette o indirette, quanto il fatto che il mercato è per definizione asimmetrico. Per quanto stiano crescendo le economie della regione, infatti, la maggior parte dei pax sono transiti verso altre destinazioni che ovviamente non possono essere intercettati (o possono essere intercettati a costi estremamente elevati) dalle compagnie americane. Discorso analogo vale per le europee, che comunque vada sono destinate a perdere lo scontro diretto con le golfare per tutto quello che riguarda il traffico verso sud est.
 
Il discorso non è tanto se le compagnie del golfo ricevono sovvenzioni dirette o indirette, quanto il fatto che il mercato è per definizione asimmetrico. Per quanto stiano crescendo le economie della regione, infatti, la maggior parte dei pax sono transiti verso altre destinazioni che ovviamente non possono essere intercettati (o possono essere intercettati a costi estremamente elevati) dalle compagnie americane. Discorso analogo vale per le europee, che comunque vada sono destinate a perdere lo scontro diretto con le golfare per tutto quello che riguarda il traffico verso sud est.
chi ne paga maggiormente le conseguenze delle 3sorelle sono proprio le europee. I flussi di traffico che possono sottrarre alle americane e' abbastanza marginale. non venitemi a dire che c'e" chi parte da lax per andare a sin via dxb
 
chi ne paga maggiormente le conseguenze delle 3sorelle sono proprio le europee. I flussi di traffico che possono sottrarre alle americane e' abbastanza marginale. non venitemi a dire che c'e" chi parte da lax per andare a sin via dxb
Da LAX no di sicuro, ma da NYC è probabile che non siano pochi. Per non parlare del sub-continente indiano, ormai terra di conquista assoluta delle golfare. Guardando i tabelloni di DXB ti sembra di avere a che fare con la compagnia di bandiera indiana tante sono le destinazioni e le frequenze.
 
Da LAX no di sicuro, ma da NYC è probabile che non siano pochi. Per non parlare del sub-continente indiano, ormai terra di conquista assoluta delle golfare. Guardando i tabelloni di DXB ti sembra di avere a che fare con la compagnia di bandiera indiana tante sono le destinazioni e le frequenze.

Sono d'accordo. Non ho dati alla mano, ma le tariffe che le "golfare" propongono per l'Estremo Oriente o anche addirittura per l'Australia, soprattutto nelle classi premium, sono davvero competitive. E se si tratta di farsi 23 ore di volo invece di 17, quando si viaggia in business o in first, magari risparmiare qualche migliaio di $$$ non fa troppo schifo.
 
Sono d'accordo. Non ho dati alla mano, ma le tariffe che le "golfare" propongono per l'Estremo Oriente o anche addirittura per l'Australia, soprattutto nelle classi premium, sono davvero competitive. E se si tratta di farsi 23 ore di volo invece di 17, quando si viaggia in business o in first, magari risparmiare qualche migliaio di $$$ non fa troppo schifo.

Magari vai ad intercettare i flussi che contano, ma in termini di valori assoluti non fai grossi volumi con le classi premium, poi tutto è possibile, neanche io ho numeri alla mano. Comunque facendo una simulazione su sito EK jfk-syd sia con partenza immediata (febbraio) sia sulla lunga distanza (luglio), in business non si trova sotto le 9.000$ (non mi pare molto conveniente), mentre in economy ci sono a 1.800$.
 
Non è più, come un tempo, una guerra per il solo traffico USA-India/Bangladesh: le compagnie del Golfo intercettano ora anche traffico per l'Asia sudorientale sia dalla East Coast che dalla costa occidentale: conosco più di una persona che ha preferito Emirates per un SFO-BKK a tutte le altre alternative (questione di orari e tempi di transito - paradossalmente la coincidenza a Dubai era più semplice, nonostante comportasse verie ore in più a bordo). E, per quanto sia un puntino in un mare, alle americane non è mai andato giù il MXP-JFK di Emirates.
 
Le americane offrono un servizio premium che è indecente. Iniziassero a essere competitivi sull'hard product, poi riparliamo del dumping...
 
Quello del minor costo dei beni e dei servizi (dovuto anche a minori tasse) in altri paesi è un problema che riguarda tutti i settori. Di solito ce ne avvantaggiamo tramite delocalizzazione, ma in alcuni casi - come quello delle compagnie aeree - questo ovviamente non è possibile. Sicuramente non è stata una bella idea chiedere agli Usa di rinegoziare dei contratti, credo però che bisogna almeno chiedere reciprocità. Pur non conoscendo i contratti in questione, dubito che le compagnie europee o americane possano avere accesso agli aeroporti del Golfo alloe stesse condizioni delle compagnie di casa
 
Delta Air Lines announced Wednesday it will cease its Atlanta-Dubai service from Feb. 11, 2016, blaming “overcapacity” from Gulf carriers for the pullout.
The Atlanta-based carrier issued a statement saying the Boeing 777 aircraft used for Dubai flights will be “redeployed to other transatlantic markets where it can compete on a level playing field that’s not distorted by subsidized state-owned airlines.”
Delta has led a campaign, joined by American Airlines, United Airlines and some labor groups, to address what it says are billions of dollars of government subsidies given to state-owned Gulf carriers in violation of fair competition rules in the Open Skies between the US, the UAE and Qatar.
The subsidy allegations and counter arguments are being examined by the US Departments of Commerce, State and Transportation. The US carriers are seeking government consultations on the UAE and Qatar Open Skies treaties.
Delta said in its announcement today that its Dubai pullout decision “comes amid overcapacity on US routes to the Middle East operated by government-owned and heavily subsidized airlines, and less than a month after Delta reduced service between the world’s busiest airport and the Middle East’s largest hub.”
The SkyTeam carrier also said that between 2008 and 2014, “about 11,000 daily seats were added between the U.S. and Dubai, Doha, and Abu Dhabi—more than 95% of which are flown by Gulf carriers Emirates, Qatar [Airways] and Etihad Airlines. Of the 14 daily flights between the US and Dubai, only two are operated by US carriers. Despite the increase in passengers traveling on these flights, the number whose journeys actually originate or end in the Gulf has essentially remained flat.”
The Abu Dhabi, Doha and Dubai hubs have transformed into major transfer points for passengers flying between Europe or the US and Asia-Pacific, but more predominantly to sub-Indian continent—or South Asia—destinations such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives that US carriers mostly do not serve.
Delta launched Atlanta-Dubai service in May 2007 with 5X-weekly flights, going to daily service in 2008.
Qatar Airways, a oneworld alliance airline, has announced plans to launch flightsbetween Doha and Atlanta from June 1, 2016. Neither Dubai-based Emirates nor Abu Dhabi-based Etihad flies to Atlanta.
Tuesday, it was announced that Delta will end its membership with North American airline industry lobbying association Airlines for America (A4A).

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Delta Air Lines is back in the news again today, and this time it looks rather like route shenanigans.
The carrier has announced it will end its Atlanta-Dubai service in February. Not your average route announcement, the Atlanta airline says in its statement that the decision was made “amid overcapacity on US routes to the Middle East operated by government-owned and heavily subsidized airlines, and less than a month after Delta reduced service between the world’s busiest airport and the Middle East’s largest hub.”
In other words, Delta is blaming its pullout on the Gulf carriers on which it has waged war for many months over alleged subsidies and Open Skies compliance.
But hang on a moment… how many flights do Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways operate to Atlanta? The shocking answer is: zero. So Delta has exclusivity on Atlanta-Dubai, yet apparently can’t make a go of the route. How so?
At least part of the answer lies with these airline route maps: Delta route map andEmirates route map. Delta’s 777 will take you from Atlanta to Dubai, but from there (unless you transfer to Emirates), it’s a dead end. And, as Delta references in its statement today, the majority of people who fly from outside the Gulf states on one of three Gulf carriers are not going to Abu Dhabi, Doha or Dubai. They are transiting, and in ever larger numbers, their real destination is the sub-Indian continent: Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and so on, all places where, as the Emirates route map shows, the Dubai carrier offers multiple city destinations.
As is the golden rule with any airline, it’s all about the network. What Delta does not have is a sub-Indian continent network (nor do any of the US majors).
The Gulf carriers (and perhaps, more precisely, their state owners) saw an opportunity that their geographical location provided to create international hub-and-spoke operations that include the fast-growing sub-Indian continent market.
Atlanta Hartsfield is one of the largest and most successful US and global hub-and-spoke airports, but it doesn’t currently have any reach into the sub-Indian continent beyond Dubai.
That will change next year when Qatar Airways begins Doha-Atlanta service. Qatar, I fully expect, will make a go of the route not because there’s a pent-up demand for people to fly from the southern US to Doha, but because Qatar (along with its oneworld partners) will offer a far better network and easier connections to all the beyond places people do want to fly to.
Delta fully knows this, of course. So it’s making a silk purse from a sow’s ear and using its Dubai pullout announcement for some grand-standing on its favorite political campaign: those terrible, passenger-stealing Gulf carriers!

atwonline
 
Per rimanere nell'area United chiude il suo IAD-KWI-BAH, anche se non so quanto questo sia dovuto alle ME3 o piuttosto a una forte riduzione del contingente statunitense stanziato nella regione.
 
Delta contro i vettori del Golfo, da febbraio sospeso l'Atlanta-Dubai

Nuovo capitolo nello scontro che vede contrapposte compagnie aeree americane e vettori del Golfo.

Delta ha annunciato che dall'11 febbraio l'Atlanta-Dubai verrà sospeso e che il Boeing 777 utilizzato sulla rotta "sarà destinato ad altri mercati transatlantici dove - si legge in una nota - si può competere alla pari, senza le distorsioni provocate da compagnie aeree finanziate dallo Stato".

Un attacco senza mezzi termini ai vettori del Golfo arrivato dopo la richiesta avanzata nei mesi scorsi dalle maggiori compagnie Usa all'amministrazione Obama di porre un limite alle rotte verso gli Stati Uniti operate da Emirates, Etihad e Qatar Airways.

Vettori che, sostengono le major americane, operano in un regime di concorrenza sleale avendo ricevuto aiuti di Stato quantificati in 42 miliardi di dollari dal 2004.
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