Boeing lancia il 737 MAX


Belumosi, sarà anche un gradino sotto il NEO, ma bisogna ammettere che Boeing è riuscita a costruire una macchina che, dopo 50 anni di servizio e relativi upgrade, riesce ad essere ancora competitivo con una macchina dal progetto decisamente più giovane.
 
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Verissimo e sicuramente anche il MAX avrà il suo spazio.
Diciamo che tecnicamente ho l'impressione che il gap nei confronti del rivale sia leggermente aumentato rispetto alle versioni attuali.
Secondo me sarà molto importante verificare nella realtà, quanto peggiorano consumi dei fan con un diametro inferiore di circa 30cm rispetto a quello ottimale montato sul NEO. Teniamo presente che anche un 1% di differenza, avrebbe un impatto molto pesante sulla redditività dell'aereo.
 
il 737MAX è sicuramente un gradino sotto il 320NEO, anche i NG erano inferiori per molti aspetti ai 320, infatti molte compagnie hanno preso i 32x invece dei 737NG.

La scelta di realizzare il MAX era comunque obbligata, Boeing non poteva continuare a perdere clienti e già aveva promesso ad AA (che in tutti i casi ha splittato l'ordine tra A e B) una versione re-engined del 737.


Nello stesso tempo non potevano proporre un aeromobile nuovo perchè i tempi di realizzazione e i costi sarebbero stati spropositati (vedi 787) e quindi le compagnie fedeli avrebbero ceduto al NEO. Nello stesso tempo volevano risparmiare il massimo per tenersi un budget per lanciare una nuova macchina nei primi anni 20. Una macchina che avrà caratteristiche vincenti ma che per ora poteva essere semplicemente un Dream (che piace tanto a B).

Percui niente innovazioni, niente FBW, nessun nuovo carrello e quindi fan più piccolo... diciamo una macchina per tappare il buco e non perdere troppi clienti. Ricordiamoci che i NB sono i cashcow dei produttori e che quindi la perdita di ordini avuta da B dopo il lancio del NEO non era più sopportabile per gli azionisti di B.

Nello stesso tempo B col passare degli anni, avrà acquisito esperienze con i nuovi materiali (i 787 avranno nel 2025 circa 10/12 ani di servizio) e potrà lanciare un plastic plane NB.

ciauz sky3boy
 
Beh, ovviamente il MAX non è destinato a nuovi operatori, ma ai clienti della NG; detto ciò, se consideriamo i costi relativi ad un training per una nuova macchina e la commonality delle attuali flotte, il risparmio netto è maggiore rispetto ad un NEO, anche con uno o due punti percentuali di efficenza reale in meno.
 
DATE:12/09/11
SOURCE:Flight International

Caution welcomed: Boeing's 737 Max
By Niall O’Keeffe

When Boeing finally ended the long period of dithering that *followed Airbus's launch of the A320neo re-engined narrowbody in December, it was to make a move that seemed disappointingly conservative.
After all, pressure to stand apart from its major rival had only mounted over the course of 2011, as Airbus racked up commitments to its revamped single-aisle, topping the 1,000-unit mark after an orders bonanza at June's Paris air show. Seattle, meanwhile, was *wrestling a dilemma.
With its wounds from the long battle to bring the 787 to the market still weeping, could Boeing take on the enormous expense and engineering burden that an all-new type would entail? This in exchange for a differentiated marketing pitch and a step-change improvement in operating efficiency, rather than a merely incremental one?
Or must a pragmatic attitude prevail, *guiding the airframer to a product that kept pace with its rival in performance, timeframe and cost terms?
The latter option of course won out, in a fashion that lent itself to cynical interpretation. In selecting a "me too" strategy, Boeing begged a question: why had it waited so long, if not to prepare something radical? And the fact that the airframer's future vision was first revealed not in its own communiqué, but in a statement by the re-engined type's launch customer American Airlines - one which also contained an even bigger commitment to the A320neo - gave the distinct impression that the decision had ultimately been imposed by the market, rather than internally.
This naturally dampened the fanfare when, in late August, it became official.
Yet despite all this, Boeing's re-engining programme has since gained the approval of critical opinion-formers.

NO MOODY BLUES
When ratings agency Moody's issued its weekly credit outlook on the USA's Labor Day - 5 September - the 737 Max gained an *endorsement that, given its source, seemed destined to reverberate through the financial markets - to the airframer's advantage.
The headline news was that Moody's had deemed the Max "a credit positive" - in other words, something that boosted Boeing's *perceived safety as a destination for investment capital or debt.
The Max has put its creator "back in the narrowbody race", reckons Moody's.
Marketing theory puts a lot of importance in the benefits of being first to a market. But, to judge from Moody's assessment, a mere nine months or so might not count for quite so much in the slow-moving world of aerospace product development.
The Max announcement "erases an early-mover advantage for competitor Airbus in the race to provide airlines with more fuel-efficient, single-aisle jets", says the agency. "Boeing came out with the 737 Max relatively quickly, and touts an expected 4% advantage in fuel burn for its plane over the coming Airbus A320neo model." That further translates into a 10-12% advantage, per seat, over the latest 737s now in operation, says Boeing.
And Moody's reads significance into the fact that "Boeing notably didn't lose any of its core customers, even though it lacked a bona fide me-too alternative to the A320neo for nearly a year". However, the 737 Max is slated to enter service in 2017, where Airbus foresees a commercial debut for the A320neo in October 2015.
In officially launching the re-engining programme, Boeing disclosed that it already had commitments from five airlines - including American Airlines, which ordered 100 - for a combined total of 496 Max aircraft, "putting it in range of the A320neo's early order book", says Moody's. "Both companies still need to finalise these commitments, as many remain options or indications of interest rather than firm orders. Still, we believe these orders will firm up. Even in a difficult economic environment the new planes will remain in high demand because they reduce operating costs for airlines," adds the agency.
Though it stops short of assigning a figure to its estimate of how much a clean-sheet alternative would have cost Boeing, Moody's suggests that the re-engining costs "won't be anywhere near the level of the company's heretofore preferred choice of building an entirely new airframe".
Equally, plain sailing is not a prospect: "We expect costs to expand existing production lines or to develop new facilities to constrain Boeing's early-stage financial returns, given current capacity constraints associated with an already huge order backlog, similar to the situation at Airbus," Moody's adds.
And launching a new narrowbody cannot be put off for ever. As Moody's cautions: "Although it would take until well past 2020 to get new planes off the ground, the airframers may have to do so to fend off looming competition in the medium-haul jet segment from Bombardier, the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Irkut and possibly Embraer."
That last, Brazilian airframer has always delayed any decision until after Boeing showed its hand, so must now come under increasing scrutiny. But Bombardier, Comac and Irkut are already winning business in the same market with, respectively, the CSeries, C919 and MS-21.
The four customers that have joined American in amassing nearly 500 Max commitments are still to be identified, but it would be a surprise if they lay outside the circle of Boeing's most stalwart customers: Southwest Airlines, Alaska Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, Ryanair, Gol, Copa, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Lion Air, FlyDubai, TUI Travel and Malaysia Airlines.
Of that group, all bar one - Ryanair - has committed to taking deliveries of 737s with the Sky Interior - Boeing's last upgrade for the narrowbody family, which brings with it cove lighting, curving architecture and larger stowage bins. The first Sky Interior-equipped 737 was delivered to FlyDubai in October 2010.
The Max programme replaces the Boeing -700, -800 and -900 with models that adapt the 787's style of nomenclature: the 737-7, -8 and -9. Renderings newly released by the airframer indicate the changes that must be made to the narrowbody to support the integration of CFM International Leap-1B engines. These include significant modifications to the aircraft's fuselage. For example, the engine nacelle will be made larger and incorporate noise-reducing chevrons, as featured on the 787 and 747-8.
The Max also brings an aft fuselage revamp, to include a 787-style tail cone and light-emitting diode auxiliary power unit tail lights.
More fundamental is the elimination of an aft body join present in the 737-700.
On the -700, that join is just forward of the last two passenger windows, ahead of door two. Its absence from the 737-7 may contribute a weight saving. Also, the wings' trailing edges have been refined with reshaped flap fairings. This strengthening of the wing will likely yield drag reduction.
Yet to be determined is the exact size of the Leap-1B engine's fan, but it will be either 66in (168cm) or 68in, making the powerplant smaller than its CSeries or A320neo counterparts - and avoiding the necessity to make changes to the nose landing gear to maintain a 17in ground clearance beneath the nacelles.
The Max's engineering effort is to be led by Michael Teal, who most recently served as chief engineer for the General Electric GEnx-2B-powered 747-8 programme. Boeing will surely be hopeful that it can avoid the mission creep that brought delays to that project, conceived as a re-engining of the 747-400.
Traditionally, of course, Boeing's business has been centred on launching new aircraft programmes, rather than tweaking existing ones. There is much to suggest that its proposed New Small Airplane was pursued by the airframer for some time after Airbus placed its bet on the A320neo late last year.
As recently as late April, Boeing chief executive Jim McNerney told an earnings call: "I'd be less than candid if I didn't say the leader in the clubhouse is the all-new airplane."
The subsequent back-peddling can be construed either as a failure of nerve or as a sensible acknowledgment that now is the time for prudence. But at least one influential ratings agency has adopted the latter, more generous view. And at least a handful of airlines have likewise welcomed Boeing's caution by earmarking 500-odd orders for Seattle.

TEACHING AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS
Keep it simple - or at least keep it as simple as possible. That is Boeing's effective - if not stated - goal as regards engineering the 737 Max.
Jim Albaugh, chief of the airframer's commercial aircraft division, made as much clear when he declared: "There are a lot of things we could do with the airplane, but what we want to do is limit the scope of work. And we're going to limit the scope of work associated with the engine."
But "simple" is a word Albaugh is unprepared to apply to the project. "I've told my team I don't want to hear 'simple' and 're-engine' in the same phrase," he said. "But we're going to make this the simplest re-engine possible."
While the aircraft will be equipped with a new auxiliary power unit (APU) tailcone, APU tailcone lights and reshaped flap fairings, Boeing has acceded to customer demands by resisting any temptation to modify the flightdeck.
"The one thing we do want to make sure we have with this airplane is compatibility with airplanes we've already delivered," Albaugh explained.
"What customers have told us is 'don't touch the *cockpit', and our plans are not to do that."
Boeing will hope to avoid any repeat of its experiences with the 747-8, where gradual expansion of the requirements set imposed onerous certification requirements. As far as certifying the Max is concerned, Albaugh has admitted "there are some questions we're going to have to work [through] with the FAA [Federal Aviation Administration]", but he expects these to be limited to the engine. One point he touched on during the Max unveiling raises questions as to how simple the engineering project can be kept: "There are a couple of things we're going to make more fly-by-wire than they are today, but very minimal things, very minimal."
What is debatable is whether the word "minimal" can be applied to the introduction of the fly-by-wire concept to a type which has never deployed such technology and which, in 2018, will have accumulated 50 years in June. Traditionally, fly-by-wire projects are burdensome both financially and in certification terms.
Product development plans for the 737 have indicated a move toward fly-by-wire spoilers that could perhaps be used for manoeuvre load alleviation, to boost maximum take-off weight.
Either way, Boeing has its work cut out.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/09/12/361641/caution-welcomed-boeings-737-max.html
 
Io parlo non da tecnico, ma da viaggiatore. E come tale non conoscendo i costi di gestione, di acquisto, manutenzione ecc...
Premesso questo, in aria, sto decisamente meglio sul 737, che sugli airbus.. Gli NG sono piu silenziosi, e, tutti, in aria Piu stabili.
I 318 e 319 poi, "sculettano" in maniera assolutamente fastidiosa..
Sarebbe interessante, qui, poterli confrontare in maniera oggettiva, visto che, entrambi, costituiscono gli aerei di medio raggio con i quali avremo a che fare nei prossimi 20 anni.
 
Io parlo non da tecnico, ma da viaggiatore. E come tale non conoscendo i costi di gestione, di acquisto, manutenzione ecc...
Premesso questo, in aria, sto decisamente meglio sul 737, che sugli airbus.. Gli NG sono piu silenziosi, e, tutti, in aria Piu stabili.
I 318 e 319 poi, "sculettano" in maniera assolutamente fastidiosa..
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Non so se ridere e piangere di fronte ad affermazioni del genere.

Poi devi essere magro: i 737 sono nettamente più stretti dei 32x.
 
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Ho il sospetto che la migliore arma del MAX nei confronti del NEO sarà il prezzo, perchè tecnicamente mi sembra un gradino sotto al concorrente europeo.

Un chiarimento sulla possibilita' di retrofit dei mezzi della famiglia 320 gia' in servizio.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engin...-paris-air-show-secures-commitments-worth-261

COO-Customers John Leahy also announced Airbus will start offering a retrofit large winglet solution from 2013 for A320 family aircraft currently in service. "The decision has been taken," he told reporters. "We will offer the option with two approaches, ourselves and through a JV with a third party." He refrained from detailing the cost for a retrofit, but estimated it would be around $1 million. Sharklets for new-build A320s are produced by Korean Air's aerospace unit, but Airbus would not confirm if KE would also produce the retrofit large winglets.

Non ho capito se si riferisce alle sole winglet o anche alla sostituzione dei motori (pur non avendo mai comprato personalmente un NB :) solo 1 milione mi sembra poco per anche i motori).

Ma se Airbus consentira' di incrementare drasticamente l'efficienza dei 320 esistenti, anche se poco sotto al livello dei 320NEO nuovi di fabbrica, mi sembra comunque una bomba.

Potrebbe anche cambiare certi equilibri... ad esempio U2 sarebbe molto favorita rispetto a FR.

Poi mi chiedo se offrire la possibilita' di revampizzare i vecchi mezzi non finisca per cannibalizzare il mercato di quelli nuovi.

Comunque queste osservazioni presuppongono che io abbia capito bene: si potra' prendere un vecchio 320 e renderlo efficiente quasi come un NEO nuovo di pacca e piu' di un 737 max?
 
Il retrofit del 320 è limitato alle winglets, ,miglioria che dovrebbe abbassare i consumi del 2-3%.
 
Vorrei segnalare che i colleghi di a.net stanno discutendo del design dei nuovi Winglet che andranno ad equipaggiare il MAX. Il design è certamente molto particolare e provvederebbero, secondo Boeing, ad un ulteriore abbattimento dei consumi del 1,5%, portando un miglioramento complessivo delle performance stimabile tra il 11,5 e il 13,5% rispetto agli attuali NG.

Renderinq Winglet
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/7135199679/
 
Iniziata nei tempi previsti la costruzione del primo 737 MAX


Boeing starts building first 737 MAX jet on schedule


Boeing Co (BA.N) said on Tuesday that it has started building its first 737 MAX single-aisle jetliner on schedule, an important milestone for a new plane model that accounts for nearly half of the company's plane orders.
The first 737 MAX, a more fuel efficient version of Boeing's top-selling jet, is scheduled to be completed this year and begin flights tests in 2016. Customers will begin receiving the aircraft in the third quarter of 2017, Boeing said.
The first wing spars, large structural pieces that run perpendicular to the fuselage, were loaded into drilling and riveting machines on May 29, beginning the building process, said Keith Leverkuhn, vice president and general manager of the 737 MAX program.

Boeing is adding more automated machines as it begins assembly of the MAX, and as it prepares to increase production to 52 of its 737s a month in 2018, from 42 a month now.
Some of the newest machines, which began making wings for current generation 737s in March, automate about 90 percent of the wing assembly process, up from 70 percent on older, legacy machines that Boeing has used for decades, Boeing said.
Automation is crucial to reaching reach that rate, and possibly go higher, to 60 or more jets a month. Boeing's 737 wing factory is an obvious target. Most of the 100,000 rivet holes that are drilled and filled with fasteners per day, enough for two sets of wings, already are automated officials said.

Boeing is studying whether to automate other parts of wing production line. It does not expect automation to reduce the number of workers needed. Rather it enables higher production rates while improving quality, Boeing said.
"Increased automation doesn't mean less jobs," said Barry Lewis, manufacturing operations leader for wings during a tour of the factory near Seattle. "Increased automation means we can go higher in rates with a stable workforce."
Boeing has received 2,724 orders for the 737 MAX, which competes with Airbus' (AIR.PA) A320neo. Boeing has 5,667 unfilled orders for commercial aircraft.
The 737 MAX promises to be 20 percent more fuel efficient than the current 737, and to have operating costs that are eight percent lower than its nearest competitor, Boeing says.
Boeing shares rose 2.1 percent to $144.28 on the New York Stock Exchange.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-boeing-737max-idUSKBN0OI25J20150602
 
Un potenziale rateo di produzione di 60 macchine al mese è impressionante
 
Metto qua: https://www.aerotime.aero/ruta.burbaite/21804-boeing-s-737-production-snag-from-sacked-chief-to-hired-retirees?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=boeing_s_737_production_snag_from_sacked_chief_to_hired_retirees_aerotime&utm_term=2018-09-12

Boeing’s 737 production snag: from sacked chief to hired retirees

Boeing is feeling the pressure over its 737 production delays and its latest fix for the problem looks a lot like a last-ditch effort. The plane maker has reportedly decided to call in retired workers at its 737 manufacturing plant to speed up production rates as the company continues to face delays and parts shortages from its supply chain. So how far behind is the plane maker and will it be able to make up for lost time?

According to a report by Reuters on September 11, 2018, Boeing has started hiring retired mechanics and inspectors to its 737 facility in Renton, Washington, as a temporary measure to alleviate production challenges.

This came after reaching an agreement with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAMAW) on August 15, 2018, the union’s spokeswoman Connie Kelliher confirmed, adding that Boeing had a similar deal with the union last autumn after a round of voluntary layoffs.

Boeing’s executives told analysts on September 5, 2018, that the company is adding about 600 employees to the 10,000 already working at Renton: a combination of new hires and employees transferred from its other – Everett – plant and local facilities in Washington, The Seattle Times writes.

And if the workforce additions are not enough to highlight the scope of the problem, consider this: as of the same reported week of September, over 50 undelivered 737 jets were parked outside Boeing’s Renton plant, up from 40 back in August 2018.

Do not forget, the 737 family of single-aisle jets is the company’s best-selling model. The pile up at Renton translates to around $1.8 billion worth of 737 assets sitting on the tarmac. Over a third of them – engine-less.

Of the growing pile of motionless 737s, the vast majority are the new MAX model, the Seattle Times reports. Not surprisingly, as, Boeing has been trying to gradually transition from production of the 737 Next Generation to the MAX, simultaneously with the announced ramp up.

According to Edward Ambrose, an analyst writing for Seeking Alpha, a third of the July year-to-date 737 production was the MAX model with CFM’s LEAP engines. By his estimations, as of September 5, 2018, the backlog for the 737 MAXs was 95%.

Overshooting its targets

Boeing has ramped up production of the narrow-body plane, increasing from 47 to a record 52-jet monthly pace in June, 2018, according to the Puget Sound Business Journal; the company had also said it aims to reach 57-jet monthly rate in 2019.

But already in August 2018, the plane maker announced it is cutting production of the 737 this (third) quarter, saying it expects to have deliveries of the jetliner lower than the existing production rate, Reuters reported at the time.

The problem has in fact been visible all year and Boeing should have been well aware its was coming, as key suppliers battled to keep up with production rates and increasing demand.

The usual suspects are CFM International, a joint venture between Safran and General Electric, which produces LEAP-1B engines that power the 737 MAX, and Spirit AeroSystems, the U.S., Kansas-based manufacturer that supplies the fuselages.

And Boeing has already made some heads roll as a result of the problem. Back in August 2018, vice president and general manager of the 737 program and Renton site manager, Scott Campbell, was forced to step down after three decades working for the plane maker, the Puget Sound Business Journal reported.

Campbell’s departure came after a disastrous month at his managed Renton facility: in July 2018, Boeing delivered just 39 jets, of which 29 were narrow-bodies, Simple Flying writes. It was its lowest delivery count since 2012. And so, the plant’s boss will retire at the end of the year and will be replaced by Eric Lindbard, chief of Boeing's new 777X wide-body program at Everett plant.

Getting back on track?

Just in: on September 11, 2018, Boeing announced its figures for August, 2018, stating it delivered 48 of its 737 jetliners, thus rebounding from the six-year low. According to Bloomberg, total commercial-aircraft shipments rose to 64 last month from the 39 in July 2018. While the 737 deliveries are still a few jets less of the monthly production rate, they count as a major improvement.

Boeing also reported that its 2018 net orders totaled 581 aircraft through August 2018, which is up from 487 toward the end of July 2018. That includes 90 orders in August for 737 variants from leasing firms and undisclosed customers, Reuters writes. Question is, is this real progress or a temporary high?
 
O erano voli di trasferimento, o voli test. Oppure hai visto male.

Penso che nel caso fossero voli test come questi appena effettuati, non sia possibile che abbiano utilizzato aerei non BOEING, right?

Boeing has issued this statement:

Boeing has completed development of the updated software for the 737 MAX, along with associated simulator testing and the company’s engineering test flight. To date, Boeing has flown the 737 MAX with updated MCAS software for more than 360 hours on 207 flights.

Boeing is now providing additional information to address Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) requests that include detail on how pilots interact with the airplane controls and displays in different flight scenarios. Once the requests are addressed, Boeing will work with the FAA to schedule its certification test flight and submit final certification documentation.

“With safety as our clear priority, we have completed all of the engineering test flights for the software update and are preparing for the final certification flight,” said Boeing Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg. “We’re committed to providing the FAA and global regulators all the information they need, and to getting it right. We’re making clear and steady progress and are confident that the 737 MAX with updated MCAS software will be one of the safest airplanes ever to fly. The accidents have only intensified our commitment to our values, including safety, quality and integrity, because we know lives depend on what we do.”

In addition, Boeing has developed enhanced training and education materials that are now being reviewed with the FAA, global regulators, and airline customers to support return-to-service and longer-term operations. This includes a series of regional customer conferences being conducted around the world.