Based on the ATC commands it appears the ARFF truck was crossing runway 4 at DELTA, and based on the pics of the aircraft the Jazz CR9 came to a stop at ECHO..
The CR9 was about 40-50% down the runway but was probably still well over 60-80 mph at time of collision
Taxiway DELTA lines up with a straight shot into the ARFF station on the west side of the field.
LGA has not been friendly of late to ground incursions.
oppure un ingresso in area di manovra da parte dei VVF non autorizzato ?Ennesimo errore ATC?
Ennesimo errore ATC?
oppure un ingresso in area di manovra da parte dei VVF non autorizzato ?
Listening to ATC sound like controller was working alone (I read somewhere he was the only controller on duty and manning ground and tower?) overloaded and dealing with another accident (a united aircraft with smoke that couldn’t get to a gate). He ends up having to make multiple calls and spending significant time to get the united flight sorted as they claim the situation is worsening, seems true fire truck is sent out as a precaution because there’s no gate or stairs available. An aircraft also makes a wrong turn that he’s dealing with. Another aircraft also reports smelling the fumes. He’s told the jet with fumes needs to get their airline to contact for a gate, then the jet says attendant are feeling sick and upgrades to an emergency. He makes 3-4 calls back and fourth and cannot get a gate or stairs before the truck is called as a precaution. The whole radio is a chaotic chatter being juggled by one controller, even after the collision lots of aircraft are asking questions and making comments instead of clearing the airwaves. He is getting so much information and dealing with so many things. Seems to indicate yet again that staffing issues are decreasing safety at airports.
You could already argue that something had gone wrong before the crash as it sounded like the ATC was almost not able to function. One person was overloaded and the collision happened because the fire truck crossing the runway and the landing Air Canada jet were far down the order of a list of multiple things happening on the airfield that one person simply cannot manage. It was a byproduct of an already breaking operation.
Even without the collision you’ve got an aircraft reporting fumes and people onboard feeling sick and unable to get anywhere to deplane or get air stairs. Thats why the truck was send out. This really isn’t an acceptable level of operations at a major airport like LaGuardia and I think it’s hard to blame the controller here over a broken system.
aggiungiamo alle considerazioni che attualmente US ATC stanno lavorando in shut-down regime…con enti aeroportuali che stanno facendo raccolte di buoni pasto e buoni carburante per chi lavora senza stipendio (e con straordinari su straordinari…)lo dirò solo una volta per evitare qualunquismi… ma l’ATC negli Stati Uniti e in particolare in aeroporti/aree con mole di traffico intenso, va totalmente riformato. Ormai incidenti sono quasi all’ordine del giorno, con controlli che sbraitano istruzioni, piloti che si lasciano andare ad affermazioni artistiche e che non rispettano la fraseologia…
Ripeto quando lavoravo a LHR non ho mai sentito le americanate che sento dagli ATC USA.
Una follia, e questo poveretto si porterà il senso di colpa a vita solo per essersi trovato a gestire una situazione umanamente ingestibile.Se è vero, robe da matti che nemmeno in Asia Centrale.
aggiungiamo alle considerazioni che attualmente US ATC stanno lavorando in shut-down regime…con enti aeroportuali che stanno facendo raccolte di buoni pasto e buoni carburante per chi lavora senza stipendio (e con straordinari su straordinari…)
Paradossalmente il fatto che il controllore fosse da solo in un aeroporto come LGA in circostanze ordinarie è più inquietante della stessa situazione se fosse avvenuta durante uno shut down.