AA sostituisce i suoi 300 MD80


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Secondo me in prima battuta eserciteranno le opzioni che hanno (non ho idea di quante siano), poi eventualmente faranno un ordine, tenendo conto anche dei tempi di consegna e della probabilità che nel 2008 venga lanciato il B737RS che dovrebbe entrare in servizio tra la fine del 2012 e l'inizio del 2013.

Ma AA ha ancora l'esclusiva con Boeing?
 
Io credo che alla fine AA sarà il vliente di lancio del nuovo B737RS che grazie a un mega ordine iniziale sarà acquistato a un ottimo prezzo.
 
Il 2012/13 è molto lontano per arrivarci con dei logori ed assetati MD80.
Mi sa che ordineranno qualcosa prima, tanto con un ordine di 300 aerei si ottiene cmq un ottimo prezzo.

Il 737NG è collaudato e ben noto, del suo successore invece non si sa neppure di che forma verrà fatto.
 
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Secondo me in prima battuta eserciteranno le opzioni che hanno (non ho idea di quante siano), poi eventualmente faranno un ordine, tenendo conto anche dei tempi di consegna e della probabilità che nel 2008 venga lanciato il B737RS che dovrebbe entrare in servizio tra la fine del 2012 e l'inizio del 2013.

Ma AA ha ancora l'esclusiva con Boeing?

Daccordo con te, non so quante siano ma sicuramente hanno ancora opzioni per 737NG. Pertanto credo eserciteranno quelle ed aspetteranno il nuovo 737 in the meantime.

Visto che ordini per Airbus sono da escludere, sarebbe bello se ordinassero anche un bel numero di E190/5 :)
 
si credo che ordineranno anche gli E190/5..perchè aerei come 737-600 ed A318 non sono poi così economici
 
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cos'è il 737RS?

E' uno dei modi con cui viene chiamato il successore del B737NG. Boeing ha detto più volte in via ufficiale che il suo lancio avverrà solamente quando saranno disponibili dei motori di nuova generazione che consentiranno una riduzione dei consumi medi del 10%. E' praticamente certo che questo aereo conterrà un'ampia percentuale di materiali compositi. Questa caratteristica però da sola non basta a giustificare il lancio di un aereo completamente nuovo, perchè l'incidenza dei nuovi materiali sulla diminuzione del peso delle strutture su un narrowbody è inferiore rispetto a quella dei widebody.
 
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Stando in tema... Alitalia ha già qualche programma per la sostituzione dei suoi restanti MD-80?

L'ideale sarebbe un'acquisizione di una vagonata di Embraer 170, Embraer 195, A319 ed A320.
 
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Stando in tema... Alitalia ha già qualche programma per la sostituzione dei suoi restanti MD-80?

Nessun programma, deciderà il nuovo proprietario ;)

Chissà allora... del resto ad avere la nuova livery per primo è stato proprio un MD-80 [:301] (sarà forse per durare ancora a lungo???)
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Chissà allora... del resto ad avere la nuova livery per primo è stato proprio un MD-80 [:301] (sarà forse per durare ancora a lungo???)

Anche con tutta la buona volontà del mondo da parte di tutti, i soldi, la disponibilità di aerei da parte delle case costruttrici, 75 aerei non li sostituisci completamente in meno di 2,5/3 anni, minimo minimo.
 
Aircraft & engines: Under pressure
Report by Brendan Sobie and Mark Pilling in London and David Field in Washington

Airlines want Airbus and Boeing to accelerate plans to launch new narrowbodies, according to an Airline Business poll of major operators.

However, carriers expect they will have to wait until about 2015 to place into service next-generation narrowbody aircraft. Most airlines polled by Airline Business want them earlier and are eager to begin realising the estimated 15% improvement in efficiency over the current A320/737 generation.

Airline Business received 22 detailed responses to its poll. Sixteen carriers provided specific dates as to when they would want to place into service a new-generation narrowbody. But 13 of these gave dates that are probably unrealistic given the reluctance of the manufacturers to launch new programmes in the near future.

The views of US Airways vice-president financial analysis Dion Flannery are typical of several carriers: "We want as many as we can get as soon as we can get them." US Airways is negotiating to acquire 60 aircraft to replace its 737 and 757 domestic fleets and was interested in becoming a launch customer for a new narrowbody, which if launched soon could be delivered in 2012. But Airbus and Boeing are refusing to offer a new product. "There seems to be a little bit of a cooling towards building one in 2012 and 2013," Flannery says.

Gentle persuasion

US Airways is not alone. Air France has been trying to persuade Airbus and Boeing to launch a new narrowbody for seven years. "Since 2000 we started talking with Airbus and Boeing, trying to convince them to begin the process for a new design for a new generation. We wanted a breakthrough or game changing aircraft," says Air France general manager fleet planning Pierre Vellay.

"We've never stopped asking - not a single month goes by without pressure from our side trying to convince them to do something," he adds. "We are pushing very hard for something new."

Air France operates almost 150 A320 family aircraft and is keen to replace its oldest A320s, which entered service when the type debuted in 1988. "The A320 was an exceptional aeroplane but today it is about the same aeroplane. Fuel burn is about the same, noise is about the same," Vellay says.

Airbus is preparing a mid-life A320 upgrade package featuring large winglets and upgraded engines which will improve fuel burn by up to 5%. An engine upgrade will also be available later this year for the 737 offering a 1% fuel improvement. Both are useful incremental enhancements, but are not the step change carriers are seeking.

Airlines are adamant that totally new narrowbody designs giving double-digit efficiency gains over the current generation are necessary. Twelve of the carriers surveyed said the next generation of narrowbodies should be at least 15% more efficient. "It's a non-starter at 10%," says Flannery of US Airways. "It's got to be 15%."

According to Mexicana executive vice-president corporate planning and fleet transactions Ricardo Baston: "If the savings commit to a double-digit figure we would like to introduce this new generation aircraft as soon as possible."

Several carriers including British Airways, Finnair and TAP Portugal say without a 15% improvement in efficiency a new narrowbody project is simply not worth pursuing. "Our view is to get the new narrowbody right, they need a significant step forward in improvement," says BA commercial director Robert Boyle. Adds Finnair Aircraft Finance managing director Colin Molloy: "You need 15% to make it worthwhile. It will be difficult to get that."

Engine advances

Molloy says most of the 15% gain will have to come from the engine but the manufacturers are several years away from developing a new powerplant. "They will have to come up with a totally new engine," agrees TAP chief executive Fernando Pinto.

Composites helped drive a 20% efficiency improvement in the 787 compared with the 767. But Pinto says Airbus and Boeing are still studying whether composites will show the same advantages for narrowbodies.

While airlines are keen to realise the anticipated 15% reduction in operating and fuel costs, a major cut in engine emissions is also a key requirement. Aegean Airlines chief operating officer Antonis Simigdalas says narrowbody carbon dioxide emissions must be reduced "to offset new European Commission (EC) rules on emissions trading". Vellay adds that Air France needs a more environmentally friendly narrowbody by 2011, when the EC's proposed Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) is to take effect, making airlines pay to emit carbon dioxide. "If you consider environmental issues we need something new and we cannot wait," he says.

SAS vice-president fleet development Kurt Kuhne says that from a technological standpoint his carrier can wait until 2015 or 2017 to replace its Boeing MD-80 fleet. But the ETS could accelerate its narrowbody replacement plan. "What is upcoming is the environmental situation - that is the driver," Kuhne says.

In the USA the need for a new narrowbody before 2011 is not driven by the environment but by ageing fleets. Most US carriers have not ordered narrowbodies this decade and prefer to buy a new generation type rather than one of the last A320s or 737s to roll off the production line. "We don't want an interim solution coming back and haunting us later down the road," says Flannery of US Airways.

Delta Air Lines adds: "Delta has two large narrowbody fleets - Boeing MD-88s and 757s - that will likely require replacement beginning early next decade Therefore, Delta would probably put a new generation narrowbody into service as soon as it was available."

American, Northwest and United Airlines are also believed to be pressing manufacturers to quickly launch a new narrowbody but they declined to participate in the survey. American had been hoping to replace its fleet of 300 MD-80s with a new generation narrowbody but chief financial officer Tom Horton told analysts in March that it cannot afford to wait and it will soon acquire additional 737-800s.

Most major narrowbody operators would like to place into service new types by 2015 but will have no choice but to acquire the current generation or wait. Only three of the 22 carriers surveyed said they do not want a new narrowbody before 2015. Not surprisingly these carriers have no incentive to push for a replacement because their A320 or 737 fleets are very young.

Service entry

"We don't think there will be a viable replacement until 2015 at the earliest," says Avitas vice-president of asset valuation Doug Kelly. "Even though manufacturers are already promoting an alternative as early as 2013, we don't think that is going to happen. We think that's something of a ploy to keep customers interested, and let them know that Airbus and Boeing are doing something."

TAP Portugal, which is now looking to replace its five oldest A320s, has also tried to ascertain when a new narrowbody may be available and has come to the same conclusion. "In my opinion it won't happen before 2015," says Pinto of TAP.

Kingfisher Airlines executive-vice president Hitesh Patel agrees: "We're looking at 2015. I'm being realistic. By the time it's certified and operational that's when it will be ready." Kingfisher, like several other major operators, holds options as part of their existing orders to switch to new narrowbodies if and when a new programme is launched.

"One must bear in mind that demand for such aircraft will be the highest in the history," says Mexicana's Baston. "Replacing 6,000-plus aircraft plus incremental demand will be a great challenge for both manufacturers."

But for now both Airbus and Boeing are in no hurry to launch a new narrowbody. "The demand, the backlog [for the current generation] is huge. The market isn't exactly clamouring" says Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice-president marketing Randy Baseler. "The timing [for launch] is mid-decade, give or take a couple of years."

Airline Business
 
American Airlines Accelerates 737 Deliveries

FORT WORTH , Texas – American Airlines, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR Corp., today said that it has accelerated its fleet renewal plan by beginning the replacement process for a portion of its MD-80 fleet. The Company said that the decision also provides it with substantial fleet flexibility in the future.

Following approval by AMR’s and American’s Board of Directors, American has notified The Boeing Company of its intent to begin pulling forward the delivery of 47 Boeing 737-800 aircraft under a previously existing purchase commitment. American initiated this process by notifying Boeing that American will take delivery in early 2009 of three of these aircraft previously scheduled for delivery in 2016. American intends to continue pulling forward deliveries of the other aircraft from their current 2013-2016 delivery schedules into the 2009-2012 timeframe.

American emphasized, however, that any decisions to accelerate aircraft deliveries will depend on such factors as future economic and industry conditions and the financial condition of the Company.

“We believe that beginning to replace some of our MD-80s in a measured way makes economic sense and represents prudent and strategic reinvestment in our business that will bring long-term benefits to shareholders, customers and employees,” said AMR Chairman and CEO Gerard Arpey. “Our existing agreement with Boeing gives us ample flexibility for our long-term fleet plan. While the MD-80 remains an excellent aircraft that serves us and our customers well, the new 737s will be a great addition to our fleet that will lower our operational costs, boost the fuel efficiency of our fleet and also bolster our efforts to lower emissions and noise levels.”

Arpey noted that American’s long-term purchase contract with Boeing gives the Company substantial fleet flexibility and includes the right to purchase on short notice additional 737s well beyond the 47 committed aircraft as well as the right to purchase 787 aircraft.

He also stressed that the purchase contract with Boeing gives American the ability to obtain the 47 aircraft and additional 737 aircraft with a delivery schedule that best meets the needs of the business, without having to make large firm delivery commitments at a specific time, and that American’s “purchase rights” give it the ability to acquire such additional aircraft from Boeing with as little as 15 months notice.

Arpey cited American’s plan to replace some of its MD-80s with 737s as the latest example of the Company’s efforts to reduce operating costs and fuel consumption. American estimates that the 737 consumes 25 percent less fuel per available seat mile than an MD-80.

Arpey also stated that American has a goal to improve the fuel efficiency of its fleet by more than 20 percent by 2020, and he emphasized that today’s announcement is a step toward achieving that objective.

The effort to improve fleet fuel efficiency is a part of a companywide initiative to reduce fuel consumption to both lower costs and reduce emissions. In addition, as part of its Fuel Smart program that has reduced the Company’s consumption of jet fuel by about 95 million gallons annually, American continues to add winglets to its 737 and 757 fleets and is also saving fuel by employing high-speed tractors to tow airplanes on the ground and by taxiing aircraft with a single engine when feasible. American has set a goal in 2007 to increase Fuel Smart annualized consumption savings to 125 million gallons.

“Strengthening our balance sheet remains a high priority and an important element of building a stronger financial foundation under our Turnaround Plan,” Arpey said. “Our announcement today shows that we are taking action to strike the right balance between reinvestment in the business and the need for continued financial improvement. As we continue to improve our financial performance we will have more flexibility to reinvest in the business for the future.”

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2007_03/28_boeing.jhtml
 
Yes, comprano il 737, come si legge qui:

American to Buy 47 Boeing 737s to Replace Aging Jets (Update4)

(Adds consultant comment in 16th paragraph.)

By Mary Schlangenstein
March 28 (Bloomberg) -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, the world's largest carrier, will buy 47 Boeing Co. 737 jets four years earlier than planned to start replacing some of its oldest planes. The aircraft are valued at as much as $3.5 billion.
American will get the 737-800 jets starting in 2009, the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline said. The decision follows the carrier's return to profit in 2006 after five years of losses.
The new planes will help American begin retiring its aging MD-80 jets as part of a plan to reduce fuel use by more than 20 percent by 2020. Spending on jet fuel is the carrier's second- largest expense, after labor.
``It's time for them to do it,'' George Hamlin, president of Hamlin Transportation Consulting in Fairfax, Virginia, said today in an interview. ``It's not only a question of high fuel costs with the MD-80s, but also a question of reliability.'' (...)

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