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Posto questo articolo dell'Australian di venerdí 16 ottobre scorso... se non é nulla di nuovo chiedo scusa e chiudete.

Cash-conscious flyers lead Qantas back up

Glenda Korporaal | October 16, 2009
Article from: The Australian

AFTER a difficult year, Qantas is starting to see signs of an upturn in demand, particularly in economy class, according to chief executive Alan Joyce.

Speaking after what he calls a "bath of fire" in his first year as Qantas chief, as he had to deal with the global financial crisis, failed merger talks with British Airways and swine flu, which cost the airline $90 million in business from Japan, Mr Joyce also said Qantas was looking at increasing economy and premium economy seats in some international flights to boost returns.

That could mean ditching first-class seats on some short international routes.

He also said there would be no more replacement of Qantas routes with Jetstar flights.

Jetstar's future expansion would come from organic growth, including eventual flights to southern Europe.

"We are seeing some life in the marketplace," Mr Joyce said in an exclusive interview with The Australian.

"We are seeing, in recent months, the volumes being a bit better than we were expecting.

"Yields are still terrible but we are getting some high seat factors, which is a good sign.

"The first prerequisite of getting the yields back is that the demand is there."

Mr Joyce said Qantas's seat factor was "two to three points" ahead of last year.

"Our yield is still bad -- it is still over 20 per cent down internationally and in the low teens down domestically, but volumes are better than expected."

The airline's profit fell by 88per cent to $117m for the year to June, but it was one of the few international airlines to report a profit for the financial year.

A difficult second half was offset by profits from the Qantas Frequent Flyer business, although Qantas International lost money.

Mr Joyce said Qantas was looking at reconfiguring its long-distance aircraft, including the A380, to boost the number of economy-class seats, for which demand had been stronger.

That could mean ditching first-class seats completely on some routes.

"One of the things we are looking at is what is the right mix of seats and how they should be laid out to optimise the amount of revenue-generating capacity on each aircraft," he said.

"We are still going to be a first-class airline -- we are absolutely committed to that -- but do we need first-class everywhere?"

"We need it to London and to LA, but where should first-class be apart from that?"

Before the global economic crisis, he said the A380 had more than 70 business-class seats, "but maybe now we only need 50, and more premium economy".

"Economy is going very well at the moment. Maybe we could do with more economy seats."

He estimated reconfiguring seats in the current environment could boost the yield from some flights by as much as 8 per cent.

Irish-born Mr Joyce, who was responsible for the start up and successful launch of the low cost Jetstar airline, has decided the replacement of Qantas routes with cheaper Jetstar services has reached its limitations.


When appointed, concern was expressed that he was going to further "Jetstarise" Qantas.

"This year we will grow Jetstar by 24 per cent and Qantas is going to be reduced by 5 per cent but that is a function of returns," Mr Joyce said.

"If things turned around, I could easily see, in a couple of years when the business market is returning, that Qantas could have a greater growth than Jetstar. We have decided that, with Qantas, we have gone to a minimum network, a network we can't drop below.

"There will be no further replacement of Qantas flights with Jetstar. That's it."

In the past year, Mr Joyce has replaced Qantas routes from Cairns and the Gold Coast to Tokyo with Jetstar flights, both routes that largely service leisure travellers from Japan.

He said this had been critical in heading off potential losses of $100million on the routes.

But he said the Sydney-Tokyo route would remain a Qantas service because it was primarily aimed at business travellers.

He said replacing Qantas's domestic flights in New Zealand with Jetstar services had also turned around a loss of $30m on the routes last year with a break-even situation for the group.

In the longer term, he said there were plans for Jetstar to expand into leisure destinations of southern Europe, which could include Athens, Milan or Rome.

"Rome and Athens are where Qantas has some history of operating," he said.

"There were good loads but the yields were terrible.

"With the big Italian and Greek communities here, there is a big visiting-friends-and-relatives market."


Mr Joyce said the Pacific route to the US was a "blood bath" and predicted one of Qantas's competitors would eventually drop out of the market.

Delta Airlines and Virgin Blue's V-Australia, which began services last year, are the two major competitors with Qantas on the Australia-US routes.

"Qantas is the best performing airline on that network," he said.

"It has a better seat factor and better yields. All the rest are losing money."
 
Milano mi sembra improbabile.
Il traffico etnico al nord è basso, i collegamenti col resto d' Italia sono ben più abbondanti a FCO, la concorrenza di Emirates e vicini è massiccia. Jetstar potrebbe giocare la carta di uno stop più attraente che nel Golfo.

MXP avrebbe senso coterminalizzata con FCO.
 
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Del progetto Jetstar in Europa (Roma, Atene in particolare ma sono state elencate di volta in volta anche Zurigo, Milano, Amsterdam, Monaco, Madrid...) se ne parla da almeno 3 anni. Poi vuoi per ritardi consegne 787, vuoi per il caro greggio, la crisi economica e altre circostanze è stato sempre rimandato questo avvenimento.
In un'intervista recente, mi pare al CEO proprio di Jetstar, si diceva che realisticamente non ci sarebbe stato nulla in Europa ancora per altri 2-3 anni.
Insomma campa cavallo che l'erba cresce.
 
http://www.smh.com.au/business/qantas-revs-up-jetstar-expansion-20091125-jrsr.html


However, Jetstar is believed to be looking to fly to Europe as early as next year, when it takes delivery of the first of its longer-range batch of five Airbus A330s, which will boost its wide-body fleet to 12.
Aside from looking to fly into unprofitable routes long abandoned by Qantas, such as Athens and Rome, Jetstar has been considering destinations such as Munich and Milan.
 
Milano mi sembra improbabile.
Il traffico etnico al nord è basso, i collegamenti col resto d' Italia sono ben più abbondanti a FCO, la concorrenza di Emirates e vicini è massiccia. Jetstar potrebbe giocare la carta di uno stop più attraente che nel Golfo.
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Penso non si dispiacerebbero di reccattare qualche businessman ...

Un po' di traffico business tra Milano e l'Australia c'è.
 
Ma...non so quanto traffico business ci sia... ma in ogni caso per attrarre tali passeggeri occorrono frequenze, orari comodi e servizi TOP... meglio cambiare a Dubai/Singapore/Bangkok, sulle quali si vola ogni giorno o quasi, che avere 1 o 2 frequenze settimanali dirette, sopratutto se il servizio non è al livello delle note compagnie che atterrano nei citati aeroporti ..
 
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Ma...non so quanto traffico business ci sia... ma in ogni caso per attrarre tali passeggeri occorrono frequenze, orari comodi e servizi TOP... meglio cambiare a Dubai/Singapore/Bangkok, sulle quali si vola ogni giorno o quasi, che avere 1 o 2 frequenze settimanali dirette, sopratutto se il servizio non è al livello delle citate compagnie..

Concordo, ho provato JetStar sia sul Domestico che sul long haul ed ha un target decisamente low cost....
 
si sogna :D

il 380 in UE solo a Londrà lo si potrà vedere....poi leggi la frase dell'articolo che ho postato (Aside from looking to fly into unprofitable routes long abandoned by Qantas, such as Athens and Rome) ....

Jetstar spero che avrà dei prezzi decisamente bassi altrimenti non so come andrà a finire....gli standard sono quelli di una low cost (anche il loro motto tra l'altro :D)
 
Di sicuro non credo sia fattibile 1 volo diretto business oriented tra l'Italia e L'Australia...

Relativamente al leisure ma...cmq mi lascia perplesso anche se sarebbe meno assurdo...
Si potrebbe 'sperimentare' qualcosa (non + di 2x w) nei periodi di peak season turistica e vedere come procede... ma il prezzo dovrebbe essere aggressivo... e non so quanto converrebbe, in termini di profittabilità, alla compagnia...

Inoltre aggiungo che 1 volo così lungo x forza di cose dovrebbe essere almeno 'abbastanza' confortelove... quindi non credo molto alla logica del low cost 'puro' in questo caso..
 
si sogna :D

il 380 in UE solo a Londrà lo si potrà vedere....poi leggi la frase dell'articolo che ho postato (Aside from looking to fly into unprofitable routes long abandoned by Qantas, such as Athens and Rome) ....

Jetstar spero che avrà dei prezzi decisamente bassi altrimenti non so come andrà a finire....gli standard sono quelli di una low cost (anche il loro motto tra l'altro :D)

se intendi Qantas non so...cmq il 380 Emirates comincia il suo servizio su CDG il 1 febbraio. E lo stesso quello di Air France già ha iniziato il suo servizio da CDG per NYC.
 
se intendi Qantas non so...cmq il 380 Emirates comincia il suo servizio su CDG il 1 febbraio.
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Il 29 Dicembre per l'esattezza. E sara' 3x week fino al 17 gennaio, giorno in cui passa a daily.

Poco piu' in la' sara' la volta di Zurigo con SQ tutti i giorni e durante il 2010 anche LH comincera'.
 
Il 29 Dicembre per l'esattezza. E sara' 3x week fino al 17 gennaio, giorno in cui passa a daily.

Poco piu' in la' sara' la volta di Zurigo con SQ tutti i giorni e durante il 2010 anche LH comincera'.

mi ero perso l'anticipo dell'A380EK su CDG!grazie 1000 per l'info... spero di poter volare sul bestione al + presto!:D:D:D:D
 
Ma...non so quanto traffico business ci sia... ma in ogni caso per attrarre tali passeggeri occorrono frequenze, orari comodi e servizi TOP... meglio cambiare a Dubai/Singapore/Bangkok, sulle quali si vola ogni giorno o quasi, che avere 1 o 2 frequenze settimanali dirette, sopratutto se il servizio non è al livello delle note compagnie che atterrano nei citati aeroporti ..
Abbastanza per riempire una piccola sezione di J davanti al carro bestiame, soprattutto se montano un J non da "low cost".