Come pagare un ordine da 22 miliardi di dollari. Il caso della Lion Air


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How To Pay For A USD$22 Bln Plane Order
February 17, 2012
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How To Pay For A USD$22 Bln Plane Order

Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX artists impression.

How do you find the money for a USD$22 billion aircraft order?

The answer in the case of Indonesia's Lion Air, which completed a record order with Boeing this week, is typical of many mega-aircraft deals: with a little help from the taxpayer.

The US government is offering loan guarantees to help the low-cost carrier buy 230 jets, under a system operating on both sides of the Atlantic to promote exports of strategic goods such as the jets built by Boeing or rival Airbus.

In theory, it means US taxpayers could pick up part of the tab if the deal falls through.

Bankers and officials involved in such transactions say experience suggests this is unlikely to happen, or any losses could be recouped by recovering assets.

Indonesian entrepreneur and Lion Air co-founder Rusdi Kirana blazed a trail at the Singapore Air Show, signing deals for 259 aircraft worth USD$23 billion this week, including Boeing and Hawker Beechcraft jets and ATR turboprops.

The three-day spending spree left some wondering how an airline little known internationally, and banned in Europe over safety concerns, could afford to pay for the planes. (Lion Air says its inclusion in a ban on several Indonesian carriers is unfair).

Similar questions swirled in 2005 when Lion Air placed what was then considered a huge order for 60 aircraft. This has since propelled its growth to become Indonesia's top domestic airline.

A senior US official familiar with the deal dismissed concerns about the airline's ability to pay.

"We believe Lion Air has a good business model and a management team that is successfully implementing it," Robert Morin, vice-president of the transport division at the Ex-Im Bank said.

"Rusdi Kirana won't have trouble financing Lion Air's new big order because the deliveries are stretched over several years and he will probably tap a variety of sources of financing".

The methods cannot be verified in detail, because Lion Air has declined to open up its finances. US airlines says deals involving US backing should be more transparent.

"We are the custodians of US taxpayers' money and we take that role very seriously," Morin said. "Rest assured, Ex-Im Bank does its homework."

In practice, industry sources say only a fraction of the USD$22 billion touted for the Boeing deal will be paid any time soon.

So how does it work?

PRICE DISCOUNTS

It is no secret that airlines often get discounts. But Boeing and Airbus never comment on them and buyers are sworn to secrecy over their deals, so their size is hard to determine.

Classified documents released by WikiLeaks gave glimpses of aircraft deals as seen by US diplomats, and spoke of discounts as high as 50 percent, though industry sources dismiss this.

Lion Air can expect a hefty discount for two reasons: it has placed the largest commercial order ever received by Boeing and it is a launch customer for the revamped Boeing 737 MAX 9.

On the other hand, airline industry sources say, launch pricing can mean airlines get a less generous support package.

One person familiar with industry practices speculated the discount for part of the Lion Air order could reach 40 percent, but acknowledged the real amount was anyone's guess.

BUY NOW, PAY LATER

Airlines mainly pay for aircraft when they take delivery, not when they order them. Deliveries won't start until 2017.

By the time the later planes are delivered, some of the previously ordered ones may be coming up for retirement, which means they can be parked, scrapped or sold, potentially releasing equity to go back into the purchase of later planes.

Kirana said he would take delivery of 30-40 planes a year.

DEPOSIT

Initially, all Lion Air is likely to have to pay is a deposit to secure slots on the production line.

Deposits are typically 5 percent or more, experts say.

PRE-DELIVERY PAYMENTS

Airlines have to make further down-payments as the clock ticks down to delivery, especially from about 24 months out.

However, some banks offer financing products even for these "pre-delivery payments" (PDPs).

By delivery day, an airline has typically paid 20 percent of the aircraft's net value but this can be as high as 50 percent.

Since they eat into cash flow, PDPs are an important item for the health of an airline. "More than one airline has gone bankrupt just because of PDPs," an industry banker said.

D-DAY

Each aircraft is fully paid for on delivery.

Usually airlines have financing in place for some 80 percent of the price. Some sell the aircraft simultaneously to a leasing company and rent it back, a process called sale-and-leaseback.

Others take a commercial loan or go to the capital markets, but the latter option is little used outside the US.

EXPORT CREDITS

Many commercial loans are backed by guarantees given by Ex-Im bank, France's Coface and others. Ex-Im Bank covered about half the fleet already ordered by Lion Air, and is expected to step up for a similar proportion of the new deal.

The agency rarely loans from its own balance sheet. It issues a guarantee against which commercial banks lend funds. It charges for the guarantee and says it has only lost on one deal.

The cost of such finance is rising after a pact between OECD member countries last year. The agency typically guarantees up to 85 percent of the value of the US content of the aircraft.

(Reuters)
 
Grazie Sokol, veramente interessante.

Mi piacerebbe chiedere a TW843 un paio di cose, tipo se questi pagamenti dilazionati nel tempo tengono conto dell'inflazione, della possibile variazione del costo delle materie prime...etc... la risposta probabilmente è "ovvio", però su certe cifre anche lo 0,5% in più o in meno porta delle differenze...ovviamente sono un profano in economia.
 
Mi piacerebbe chiedere a TW843 un paio di cose, tipo se questi pagamenti dilazionati nel tempo tengono conto dell'inflazione, della possibile variazione del costo delle materie prime...etc... la risposta probabilmente è "ovvio", però su certe cifre anche lo 0,5% in più o in meno porta delle differenze...ovviamente sono un profano in economia.

Per i costruttori che rappresentiamo noi, il prezzo è già prestabilito alla firma del contratto. Ovvero se tu compri un aereo con prezzo 50, questo sarà il prezzo anche se te lo consegneranno tra 2/3 anni. Ci sono pagamenti intermedi. Di solito è a spanne 10% all'ordine e poi payment progressivi ogni 6 mesi fino al saldo (circa il 30%).
Diverso è il discorso per altri costruttori che applicano l'escalation del prezzo basato sul CPI Index americano. In questo caso l'inflazione andrà aggiunta al prezzo stabilito oggi.
Sinceramente preferisco la prima policy.
 
Per i costruttori che rappresentiamo noi, il prezzo è già prestabilito alla firma del contratto. Ovvero se tu compri un aereo con prezzo 50, questo sarà il prezzo anche se te lo consegneranno tra 2/3 anni. Ci sono pagamenti intermedi. Di solito è a spanne 10% all'ordine e poi payment progressivi ogni 6 mesi fino al saldo (circa il 30%).
Diverso è il discorso per altri costruttori che applicano l'escalation del prezzo basato sul CPI Index americano. In questo caso l'inflazione andrà aggiunta al prezzo stabilito oggi.
Sinceramente preferisco la prima policy.

Non avete clausole di salvaguardia in caso di impennata dei costi delle materie prime (Mi viene in mente il rame, che nell'ultimo anno è aumentato in maniera esponenziale)?
 
Non avete clausole di salvaguardia in caso di impennata dei costi delle materie prime (Mi viene in mente il rame, che nell'ultimo anno è aumentato in maniera esponenziale)?

Il costruttore ce l'avrà sicuramente. Io intendevo il contratto tra il costruttore e il cliente finale.
 
Per i costruttori che rappresentiamo noi, il prezzo è già prestabilito alla firma del contratto. Ovvero se tu compri un aereo con prezzo 50, questo sarà il prezzo anche se te lo consegneranno tra 2/3 anni. Ci sono pagamenti intermedi. Di solito è a spanne 10% all'ordine e poi payment progressivi ogni 6 mesi fino al saldo (circa il 30%).
Diverso è il discorso per altri costruttori che applicano l'escalation del prezzo basato sul CPI Index americano. In questo caso l'inflazione andrà aggiunta al prezzo stabilito oggi.
Sinceramente preferisco la prima policy.

Grazie mille, è molto interessante.
 
Dopo le spiagizioni come si fa a comperare tutti quelli aerei la Lion gha deciso di comprare ancora di piu. Gia che cerano, gha pensa

ndonesia's Lion Air placed an order for 27 additional ATR-72 turbo prop planes as the low-cost carrier extended a wave of orders at the Singapore Airshow.

Lion Air chief executive Rusdi Kirana told reporters on Thursday that the ATR-72 aircraft would be used to extend the network of its regional subsidiary Wings Air, which serves some of Indonesia's remote islands.

The order is valued at USD$610 million at list prices. The latest order brings to 60 the total number of the turbo props ordered by Lion Air to date, of which 16 have already been delivered.

ATR is jointly owned by Airbus parent EADS and Italy's Finmeccanica.

The deal comes after Lion Air finalised the order of 230 Boeing aircraft and also snapped up two Hawker Beechcraft for use in its charter services.

Lion Air's purchases have dominated Asia's largest aerospace event and reflect rapid growth in Indonesia's domestic aviation market, which has been adding traffic at the rate of 20 percent each year.

(Reuters)