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Ciò detto, personalmente trovo piuttosto OT parlare del carburante: per me il thread riguarda l'esodo inatteso dei piloti Ryanair nel 2017 e le sue conseguenze sull'operatività della compagnia. Le policy relative al carburante possono condizionare sicuramente i piloti, ma non credo che siano il vero nodo del contendere.
Richiamo all'ordine n. 2, per quanti si fossero persi il primo.
 

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Forse che oramai il titolo è obsoleto?
No, è che si va spesso alla deriva. Da qui il richiamo a rientrare nei ranghi. Volendo, si può aprire una discussione su altro argomento, non è certamente un reato.
 

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Torniamo on topic: ci racconti cosa sta succedendo dentro? Come vanno le negoziazioni con le basi?
L'unica cosa On Topic di cui credo si possa parlare è che la notizia del 3ad è sparita da tempo dalla stampa (come ampiamente preannunciato), FR è viva e vegeta e fa utili a palate come al solito e che l'operativo sembra essere ritornato totalmente a posto da tempo.
 

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Se qualcuno ha solo pensato che fosse la fine per FR era un illuso, in quanto all'operativo, non dimentichiamoci che siamo in inverno operando un'operativo molto ridotto
 

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Se qualcuno ha solo pensato che fosse la fine per FR era un illuso, in quanto all'operativo, non dimentichiamoci che siamo in inverno operando un'operativo molto ridotto
Avevate paventato un Armageddon che si sarebbe protratto per mesi, se non anni.
 

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Avevate? Mi dai del voi?:D
Della solidità finanziaria non ho mai dubitato, in quanto al resto, vedremo se sapranno recuperare prima della prossima stagione estiva (e non è un'affermazione, ma un semplice commento)
 

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Sembra di essere a "un giorno in pretura" con questi che oltre a essere di spalle si mettono pure le felpe militari per non farsi riconoscere.

Il più coglione di tutti è quello che dice di aver volato col collega che stava veramente male. Peccato che avrebbe dovuto LUI accorgersene e quindi cancellare il volo. Perché così è non solo omertoso ma pure potenzialmente complice in caso di incidente. Ma alla scomoda procura della repubblica ha preferito il fascino rassicurante del baffetto di Pelazza. E se ne vanta pure in tv.

Ma poi vogliamo parlare del dramma dei drammi: due chilometri a piedi nella nebbia! (E ci tiene a precisare "pure al ritorno").
 

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Sembra di essere a "un giorno in pretura" con questi che oltre a essere di spalle si mettono pure le felpe militari per non farsi riconoscere.

Il più coglione di tutti è quello che dice di aver volato col collega che stava veramente male. Peccato che avrebbe dovuto LUI accorgersene e quindi cancellare il volo. Perché così è non solo omertoso ma pure potenzialmente complice in caso di incidente. Ma alla scomoda procura della repubblica ha preferito il fascino rassicurante del baffetto di Pelazza. E se ne vanta pure in tv.

Ma poi vogliamo parlare del dramma dei drammi: due chilometri a piedi nella nebbia! (E ci tiene a precisare "pure al ritorno").
E' una questione di "dignità professionale". Si diceva così un tempo, no?
 

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Informazioni ulteriori sulla causa in atto fra Ryanair e la RPG (Ryanair Pilot Group).


Negotiating system for wages at Ryanair 'not a sham', says HR boss


A human resources boss at Ryanair says its system for negotiating pay and conditions with pilots is "certainly not a sham".
The "employee representative committee" (ERC) system within the airline involves two to five pilots at each of Ryanair's bases around Europe meeting with HR department representatives.

They negotiate five-year collective deals in the same way as is done in most negotiations, director of human resources strategy Darrell Hughes told the High Court.
"They are certainly not a sham," he told a jury on the fifth day of a Ryanair defamation action.
The action is against three founders of the Ryanair Pilot Group (RPG) - Evert Van Zwol, John Goss and Ted Murphy - who, the airline says, issued a statement in 2013 falsely saying the company misled investors. The three deny the claims.
On the fifth day of the action before Mr Justice Bernard Barton and a jury, Mr Hughes was replying to questions from Ryanair counsel Thomas Hogan.

Counsel asked him about claims made in RPG correspondence in 2013 to its members that Ryanair management continued to spread misleading information about these local ERC pay agreements.
The RPG claimed they were a sham, designed to circumvent pilots' bargaining rights.
Mr Hughes said they were like any negotiation where there are two sides seeking different things who usually meet in the middle.
Earlier, he said the RPG, from its inception in 2012, regularly made statements about industrial relations and there were many disparaging comments about Ryanair management.

However, after some 15 local ERC agreements had been voted through by pilots in April 2013, the RPG's "focus of attack" moved from industrial relations to issues of safety, he said.
It sought to get pilots to sign up to a safety incident reporting system. This then evolved into an attack on financial prudence, he said.


Mr Hughes said it was the case that only directly employed pilots could vote on the ERC agreements because the contracted pilots were sourced through agencies, which negotiate directly with Ryanair as to pay and conditions.
In 2013, the breakdown of directly employed to contractors was 70/30 and today it was nearer 50/50, he said.
Those on contracts were paid by flying hours and were generally younger people who preferred that because the difference in tax treatment between the two types meant contractors could help pay for the high cost of their pilot training. Contractors were more flexible and agreed to be posted at other airports for one in every four "flying blocks".
Directly employed were generally people more settled and Ryanair's family friendly rosters meant they could usually be home in their own beds each night, something not available in other airlines, he said.
The difference in pay between directly employed and contractors "varies from base to base" but in some cases contractors got more than direct employees and in others less.
When it came to negotiating terms and conditions, pilots were a "totally mobile" group of workers who did not have the same visa restrictions as the rest and could go and work in north-west China at more than €20,000 a month, he said.
If Ryanair wanted to attract them, it must provide good pay and conditions, he said.

The case continues.

https://www.independent.ie/business...ryanair-not-a-sham-says-hr-boss-36328178.html
 

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In Italia si e' ufficialmente proposto nientepopo'dimenoche l'Anpac come sindacato ufficiale dei piloti Ryanair in Italia.

Italian Ryanair pilots back talks on new deal

Letter names members of new council seeking negotiations on collective agreement

Ryanair does not deal with trade unions, but says that it does not ban staff from joining them. Instead it negotiates individual deals with employee representative councils at all its 86 bases.

Ryanair pilots in Italy are the latest to call on the airline and its chief executive, Michael O’Leary, to begin talks with representatives of a group seeking to negotiate new collective agreements with the company.
A recently formed European Employee Representative Council (EERC) is campaigning to negotiate on behalf of Ryanair’s 4,000-plus pilots with the support of unions in countries where the airline operates.
A letter to Mr O’Leary and other executives, delivered to the carrier’s offices in Milan, names 10 Italy-based pilots as the Ryanair company council in Italy.
In common with a letter from Irish pilots earlier this week, it urges Ryanair to enter talks with the EERC on pilot representation at the airline and states that Ryanair will have to negotiate national contracts with its Italian pilots.

Support

The letter is from Italian pilots’ union Anpac, which says that with its support, the 10 individuals will negotiate a collective agreement with Ryanair for pilots in Italy.
It is the latest step in campaign by the EERC that involves pilot unions across Europe writing to Ryanair calling on it to enter talks. Irish and Swedish unions wrote earlier this week.
The letters all include the names of the company council members. When the EERC began circulating material two months ago, in the wake of the airline having to cancel flights because of rostering problems, Ryanair pointed out that it was anonymous.
The pilots named in the letter are Alessandro Bedodi, Luigi Dal Padullo, George Edgeworth, Mattia Galuppo, Giovanni Genovesi, Christian Klaeren, Matteo Oggioni, Francesco Pittini, Soren Roelsgaard and Alessandro Zanatta.
Ryanair responded that “this worthless letter from competitor pilot unions has no validity and is ignored by both Ryanair and our pilots”.

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Ryanair does not deal with trade unions, but says that it does not ban staff from joining them. Instead it negotiates individual deals with employee representative councils at all its 86 bases.
The company points out that the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that this system meets all the requirements of a sophisticated collective bargaining process.
Ryanair said that a further 36 pilots joined the airline last week, bringing to 1,081 the number it had recruited since January 1st.
The airline added that it was “inundated with applications from pilot union members in Monarch, Air Berlin, Italia”, that are facing redundancy or pay cuts.​
https://www.independent.ie/business...lots-collective-bargaining-push-36344561.html

 

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Errare humanvm est

American Airlines Error Leaves Thousands of Holiday Flights Without Pilots

Thousands of American Airlines flights over the holiday season are in danger of cancellation because an error in the company’s internal scheduling system gave too many pilots time off, its union said on Wednesday.

American was scrambling to fill the scheduling hole by offering pilots one and a half times their normal pay, said Gregg Overman, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association. But the union, which represents more than 15,000 pilots, filed a grievance, saying that the premium pay was not covered by its contract and that the airline couldn’t guarantee payment.

It was not yet clear on Wednesday whether any flights would be canceled or delayed. Mr. Overman said about 15,000 flights from Dec. 17 to the end of the year were affected.

“I’m sorry I can’t offer any guidance other than: Stay tuned,” Mr. Overman said. “And here’s hoping the folks running the airline come to us and are willing to sit down and work through it, because we don’t have a solution at this point.”

American said in a statement that it expected to avoid cancellations.

“We will work with the A.P.A. to take care of our pilots and ensure we get our customers to where they need to go over the holidays,” the company said.

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The flights that currently have no scheduled pilots originate from cities including Boston; Charlotte, N.C.; Washington; Dallas-Fort Worth; New York; Miami; Chicago; and Philadelphia, Mr. Overman said.

It was not immediately known how the scheduling error happened. The airline assigns flights to pilots, but pilots can use the internal system to drop or trade flight assignments. Normally, the pilots wouldn’t be able to drop flights unless someone can cover them, but the error allowed any drop requests to go through, and “an extraordinarily large number of pilots” planned around it, Mr. Overman said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/american-airlines-pilot-scheduling.html
 

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Continua il processo a Dublino per la causa per diffamazione di FR contro i fondatori del neo/quasi sindacato RPG.

Ryanair treated pilots 'like robots' and had no interest in hearing about safety issues, former pilot claims

A FORMER Ryanair pilot has told the High Court he felt the company treated pilots "like robots" and was not interested in any issues they had, including about safety.

"They forgot about us as human beings, we were treated like robots" Jean Francois Claes said.

"It was go to work, we don't want to hear from you, whether it is personal or safety issues, we don't want to hear about it", he said.
He was giving evidence on the 13th day of the airline's action for defamation against Ryanair Pilot Group (RPG) founders, Evert Van Zwol, John Goss and Ted Murphy. They deny a September 2013 email sent by the RPG to pilots was defamatory.

Captain Claes, who now works for Transavia, said he was warned he would face possible dismissal in relation to three matters in which he said he acted from concerns in relation to flying safety.
The first related to his refusal to extend the normal 11 hour maximum flying time permissible in one day due to fatigue of himself and his crew after they landed at Santiago airport in Spain.

He said he was required to do six flights that day and due to delays building up throughout the day he became concerned that he and his crew would be unable to complete all the flights within the permitted time.
He requested Ryanair operations to have a standby crew in place for a Madrid-Santiago run but was told he would have to keep going to Santiago.

When he got to Santiago, he decided that due to the fatigue he was exercising his captain's discretion not to return that night to Madrid as once in the air they would be outside the permitted daily flying time limit. A flight with 182 passengers was cancelled.
As a result, he faced an investigation which led to a letter telling him his fatigue was his fault for having commuted from Charleroi to Madrid two days earlier and if it happened again he would face disciplinary action, including possible dismissal.

He told the court this was not the case because he had two full days rest before the Santiago incident and the fatigue was the result of a difficult day and difficult landing conditions in Madrid.

There was a second incident in Charleroi airport when confusion about the the disembarking of a wheelchair passenger led to passengers about to board a flight becoming angry when they were told they could not get on at that stage as the stood in the rain at the bottom of the stairs into the aircraft.
This was because, Captn Claes said, it was against procedures to allow a plane to be boarded if all previous passengers had not disembarked and a security check carried out.

Captn Claes said upto 20 passengers became angry and some started shouting and making gestures. He decided for his own safety to disembark and another pilot was found to fly the plane. He believed it could not be dealt with by calling airport police because Charleroi was a small airport and this was a large group of angry people.
He was again warned he would face disciplinary action even though he said he explained he believed his decision was correct from a safety viewpoint.

Captn Claes said he was again threatened with disciplinary action and with being sued after he sent a letter through Ryanair's internal communications system raising a number of safety related questions, including the airline's refuelling policy. He felt harassed and intimidated by the reaction and had withdrawn some of the questions he raised because of this.
Darrell Hughes, Ryanair's HR manager, who was recalled to deal with some of Captn Claes' evidence, said no disciplinary action was taken against Captn Claes and he was given the "benefit of the doubt" over the Santiago incident. However, the company believed he should have been able to complete his duty for the day as it meant only going eight minutes beyond the permitted flying time limit.
In relation to the incident involving the wheelchair passenger, Mr Hughes believe Captn Claes should not have walked off the flight and should have, as a professional person, had the skills the defuse the situation with passengers.

The case continues.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...fety-issues-former-pilot-claims-36368388.html
 

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Ryanair warns its pilots in Dublin it will meet any attempts at industrial action 'head on'

Ryanair has warned its pilots in Dublin that it will meet any attempts at industrial action “head on” and could move some jets out of the capital.

The warning comes as the airline’s pilots across Europe intensify efforts to push for collective bargaining and unionisation at the carrier.

The president of the Irish Airline Pilots’ Association (IALPA), Evan Cullen, wrote to Ryanair chief executive Michael O’Leary on Monday.
Mr Cullen told the airline boss that he was “disappointed” at Ryanair’s “continued failure” to engage in negotiations with the newly-formed European Employee Representative Committee (EERC).

The EERC wants to be a single representative body for Ryanair pilots across Europe. Ryanair negotiates pay and conditions on an individual basis with each of its bases, however, and does not recognise unions.
“I am now calling on you to directly engage with IALPA and enter into negotiations with us on all aspects of pay, terms and conditions of employment for pilots directly employed by Ryanair in Ireland,” Mr Cullen told Mr O’Leary.

Mr Cullen added in the letter that he was putting Mr O’Leary “on notice” that if the airline does not engage with IALPA, that the union “reserve the right to ballot our members for industrial action up to and including strike action without any further notice to you”.
But Ryanair’s chief people officer, Eddie Wilson, has warned pilots not to support the action, and told them that the airline will not recognise the union.

“If Dublin pilots support this IALPA organised action then we intend to meet this head on,” Mr Wilson told pilots in a letter today.
“If any such action occurs, then we must assume that Dublin pilots – for the moment – no longer wish to deal directly with Ryanair and we will withdraw those benefits which are dependent on our direct dealing collective agreement,” he said.

Mr Wilson said that means that the Dublin base will “until further notice – be frozen with no promotions for FOs (first officers) or SOs (senior officers)”.
“We may in due course be forced to look at rebasing some Dublin aircraft to lower cost airports elsewhere, where our pilots continue to deal directly with us,” he added.​

Mr Wilson insisted that Ryanair won’t deal with IALPA “no matter how long such IALPA-led action will occur”.
IALPA is part of trade union impact. Ryanair company councils have recently been established under IALPA’s umbrella, and under the auspices of a number of other European aviation unions.

Italy’s Anpac trade union has said that Ryanair pilots and cabin crew in the country, who are members of the union, intend to strike for four hours on December 15.
The civil aviation union has notified the airline and the Italian government of the planned strike.

The notice of strike action from Anpac comes as Ryanair pilots around Europe step up action in an effort to force the carrier to engage in collective bargaining across its almost 90 bases.
https://www.independent.ie/business...ts-at-industrial-action-head-on-36384935.html
 

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Ryanair, i piloti italiani in sciopero il 15 dicembre. L’azienda: sarà un flop
06 dicembre 2017

Il sindacato italiano di piloti Anpac (Associazione nazionale professionale aviazione civile) ha annunciato mercoledì che i piloti di Ryanair hanno dichiarato uno sciopero di quattro ore il 15 dicembre. L’iniziativa giunge dopo l’annuncio il 29 novembre scorso di un’analoga azione di protesta da parte della Fit Cisl.

Lo sciopero dovrebbe durare dalle 14 alle 18 della giornata. Secondo quanto hanno riferito dei suoi portavoce, il sindacato conta fra le sue file 280 iscritti da Ryanair, pari al 40% di tutti i comandanti e i primi ufficiali basati in Italia. Al momento non è chiaro quanti piloti sarebbero stati in volo nelle ore di interruzione dell’attività. Il vettore low cost, finito nella bufera a settembre per un maxi-piano di cancellazione voli, non riconosce le parti sociali ed è sempre riuscito a evitare lo scontro diretto. Ora perà i suoi dipendenti si stanno rivoltando contro la decisione di cancellare 20mila voli, ufficialmente per l’assenza di piloti disponibili.


PROCEDIMENTO AL VIA 4 dicembre 2017
Antitrust contro Ryanair: ancora non informa i passeggeri sulla cancellazione dei voli
L’azienda: taglieremo paga ai piloti se votano per lo sciopero
L’azienda ha reagito alle voci di sciopero sostenendo che non «sono mai state realizzate» le mobilitazioni annunciate in precedenza. A quanto riporta l’agenzia internazionale Reuters, però, il gruppo sarebbe pronto a tagliare stipendi e condizioni dei suoi piloti in caso di voto favorevole all’azione. L’iniziativa dell’Anpac rappresenterebbe il primo sciopero nella storia del vettore irlandese, alla ricerca di un rilancio di immagine dopo l’ondata di tagli di voli che ha lasciato a terra migliaia di passeggeri ion autunno. Proprio la crisi del «modello low cost» del vettore ha dato il via a una serie di rivendicazioni su scala internazionale, contro le condizioni di lavoro e retributive offerte dal gruppo.

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