AA, DL e UA protestano contro vettori Qatar & UAE per concorrenza sleale


Emirates risponde alle accuse delle compagnie USA:

American Consumers and Regional State Economies the Ultimate Victims of US Carriers’ Protectionist Campaign

· Debunks allegations of subsidy and “stealing traffic” in white paper presented by Delta, American, and United
· Highlights economic benefits of Emirates’ services to American consumers, local and regional economies, and businesses
· Discusses the impact of selective protectionism that restrict international air transport links and trade bridges in a global economy

Washington D.C., USA, 18th March 2015: American consumers, international gateway airports, local and regional economies, and businesses will be the ultimate victims of the protectionist campaign being run by Delta, American, and United Airlines, said Emirates Airline President Sir Tim Clark, at a media briefing held yesterday in Washington DC.
The media event followed meetings with officials at the US Department of Transport, State Department, Department of Commerce, and National Economic Council, where Emirates’ President presented the airline’s perspective on Delta, American, and United’s campaign.

“All the debate about what constitutes a subsidy, what is fair or unfair competition under whose laws… are just distractions from the real issue at hand – which is that the three biggest US carriers, who together with their joint venture (JV) partners already control about two-thirds of international flights from the USA, want to further limit the international air transport choices available to American consumers, airports, local and regional economies,” said Sir Tim.

“Consumers should be asking Delta, American, and United why they are amongst the most profitable[ii] airlines in the world, but nowhere close to being ranked best airlines for service or product[iii].

“Airports, tourism boards, chambers of commerce and businesses, should be asking regulators and legislators why valuable, direct international air links - which are so important for businesses and critical for tourism, should be limited only to a few airport hubs served by the big 3 US carriers and their JV partners with whom they co-ordinate prices and capacity under anti-trust immunity.”

Allegations in US Carriers’ white paper
Sir Tim said: “The US carriers took 2 years, and goodness knows how much shareholder money, to assemble their campaign and a stack of allegations which included wrong assumptions and leaps of logic. We have reviewed their white paper and can debunk all claims that Emirates received subsidies. It will take time to assemble our own point-by-point rebuttal supported with financially and legally verified documents, which we are doing. However, we can tackle the main accusations against Emirates today.”

Allegation: Emirates benefited from $2.7b in subsidies from the government’s assumption of fuel hedging losses, and the government also provided Emirates $1.6b in letters of credit:

- Emirates’ response: That is untrue. All cash losses incurred by Emirates as a result of its fuel trades in place in 2008/09 were settled in full from the airline’s own cash reserves and not paid for by the government of Dubai. The letters of credit mentioned in the white paper were in fact provided by Emirates to our owners, ICD, in support of the fuel trades novated, not the other way round.

Allegation: Emirates benefited from $2.3b in subsidized airport infrastructure since 2004, which is a “major competitive advantage”

- Emirates’ response: Infrastructure investment is long term in its nature. The Government of Dubai has made these investments, like other progressive emerging market economies (e.g China, Singapore) with long term benefits in mind. Comparably lower airport charges or charge exemptions for transfer passengers are neither a subsidy nor discriminatory as all airlines who use the infrastructure at Dubai International (DXB) benefit.

- Emirates pays the full published rates at DXB, which are highly competitive, commercially based, and in fact higher than a number of other comparable major airports such as Kuala Lumpur (KUL).

Allegation: Gulf carriers take passengers and revenues from US carriers, and force US carriers to reduce, terminate or forego services on international routes.

- Emirates’ response: Despite what some carriers may think, air passengers are not proprietary to airlines. What Emirates is doing is competing in the marketplace - we don’t “take” or “steal” customers. We offer a great product at a competitive price, which appeals to the consumers who choose to fly with us. The three US carriers’ obsession with market share makes all the more apparent what they are really after: not competition, not open markets or Open Skies, but outright government directed market allocation.

- Considering there is hardly any overlap between Emirates’ route network and that of Delta, American or United, this campaign by the US carriers is really about them protecting the revenue they earn from their JV partners. But why should the US government defend the interests of the European JV partners of these 3 US carriers? For that matter, what is the US national interest in forcing passengers to inconveniently connect in Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam or London – while depriving them the right to choose more efficient routing with a higher level of service?

The positive economic impact of Emirates’ services to USA
Emirates has progressively, and based on rational commercial demand, grown its services to the USA. From seven flights a week between New York JFK and Dubai in 2004, Emirates today flies 84 flights each week from nine USA gateways – Boston, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and Washington DC.

The estimated annual economic value of Emirates’ services to these airports and their surrounding regions is US$2.8billion[iv].

Our flights carry travelers from the US to 56 destinations in Africa (18 points), Asia Pacific (25 points) and the Middle East (13 points) which are not served by any American carrier, and we do this with just one plane change in Dubai. The high average seat load factors of over 80% in 2014 on our US flights demonstrate the customer demand for Emirates’ services.

There has been a 503% growth in US exports to the UAE since Emirates started services to the USA in 2004, and today the UAE is the #1 market for US exports in the Middle East. Our flights between the US and Dubai have carried over 470,000 tonnes of high value goods since 2004.

In addition, the vital air links Emirates provides from the US to the many developing markets which are not served currently by American carriers, facilitates US foreign trade and opens up new markets for US exporters, helping to further drive American economic growth, trade and job creation.

Selective protectionism in a global economy
Rather than harming US interests as the white paper prepared by Delta, American, and United claims, Emirates’ services have increased consumer choices, filled a gap in the market by taking travelers to destinations not served by their home carriers, and helped contribute to US economies, trade and tourism. Importantly, Emirates also provides a much-needed competitive alternative to the three airline alliances with antitrust immunity permitting them to keep fares artificially high.

In January, an independent paper published by US economists and academics[v] examined the impact of gulf carrier competition on US carriers’ passenger numbers and fares in international route markets and found that “gulf carrier entry stimulated accelerated market growth” on US-Middle East traffic volumes, and concludes in respect of other markets that “gulf carrier entry has likely resulted in a more competitive market-based equilibrium that indicates, on a global basis, a net gain to society.”

Sir Tim said: “One can argue that the 3 largest US carriers themselves enjoy a number of unfair advantages including access to the world’s largest aviation market in their own backyard, anti-trust immunity for their JVs, Chapter 11 and pension relief legislation, various types of support from individual US States and fuel tax breaks. We could draw up a full list and create a dossier similar to their white paper. But again, that is really not the crux of the issue, which is consumer choice, and the benefits of direct international air links for the many US stakeholders outside of the Delta-American-United coalition.

“Last year a record 75 million international visitors came to the US, stimulating the economy. President Obama’s goal is for that figure to rise to 100 million by 2021, and Emirates is pleased to be helping make that goal a reality.

“Open skies between the USA and UAE have been hugely successful for US consumers, trade and the overall economy. There should be no reason for the US government to do a freeze or a U-turn, just to protect the interest of a narrow few and their European JV partners. Especially not when the restriction or denial of competitive choice on international routes will be to the detriment of consumer interest, and will negatively impact the many thousands of US businesses and industries reliant on efficient air transport links to be competitive in a global marketplace.” -
 
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Complimenti a Sir Clark.

Trovo particolarmente interessanti questi punti:

“Consumers should be asking Delta, American, and United why they are amongst the most profitable[ii] airlines in the world, but nowhere close to being ranked best airlines for service or product[iii].

(anche se pare che le americane, per la prima volta nella storia, stiano cominiciando ad affrontare la questione. visto anche che confrontare un 767 ex US o ex AA con il 380 EK stava diventando impari)

Allegation: Gulf carriers take passengers and revenues from US carriers, and force US carriers to reduce, terminate or forego services on international routes.

- Emirates’ response: Despite what some carriers may think, air passengers are not proprietary to airlines. What Emirates is doing is competing in the marketplace - we don’t “take” or “steal” customers. We offer a great product at a competitive price, which appeals to the consumers who choose to fly with us. The three US carriers’ obsession with market share makes all the more apparent what they are really after: not competition, not open markets or Open Skies, but outright government directed market allocation.

- Considering there is hardly any overlap between Emirates’ route network and that of Delta, American or United, this campaign by the US carriers is really about them protecting the revenue they earn from their JV partners.

In addition, the vital air links Emirates provides from the US to the many developing markets which are not served currently by American carriers, facilitates US foreign trade and opens up new markets for US exporters, helping to further drive American economic growth, trade and job creation.
 
La risposta di Tim Clark e' ineccepibile.
In realta' la posizione delle US3 si fa sempre piu' debole, anche perche' la stessa stampa specializzata e grossi organi (tipo FT) si sono apertamente schierati contro questa mossa protezionistica delle americane.
Staremo a vedere, comunque la faccenda si fa sempre piu' interessante.
 
Ineccepibili sono anche le parole di Renzi, di Berslusconi, di Pannella e di Di Pietro; ma anche quelle di Vendola, di Salvini e di Fini, quelle di chiunque voglia tirare acqua al suo mulino. Infatti....parole.....
Ti do' ragione pero' su una cosa: stiamo a vedere perche' la faccenda si fa sempre piu' interessante...
 
Ineccepibili sono anche le parole di Renzi, di Berslusconi, di Pannella e di Di Pietro; ma anche quelle di Vendola, di Salvini e di Fini, quelle di chiunque voglia tirare acqua al suo mulino. Infatti....parole.....
Perdonami EEA, apprezzo la tua determinazione nel difendere la tua causa, ma quelle riportate da Tim Clark (ed anche da Hogan ed Al-Baker) non sono solo parole, ma hanno fornito moltissimi numeri e fatti.
E' evidente che se la si vede dal punto di vista del consumatore finale e' difficile non dar ragione alle parole di Clark & Co.
E' anche vero che alla lunga le ME3 stanno colpendo duramente l'establishment USA-Europa ed il loro modo di fare business. Soprattutto negli USA dove i grossi profitti che stanno (finalmente) avendo le US3, dovranno essere perlomeno in parte reinvestiti pesantemente in innovazione ed upgrade del prodotto, che per molteplici ragioni e' ancora spesso molto al di sotto degli standard delle ME3.
 
Intanto, sembra che anche in Europa qualcuno abbia da ridire...ovvio non ci sia l'Italia (Lupi avra' altro per la testa o magari sul polso sinistro? )

BRUSSELS (AP) — France and Germany are leading a call to ensure EU airlines can fairly compete with those from the Gulf region, which are accused of receiving major state backing.
The French and German transport ministers said in a statement Friday that they want their EU partners and the EU executive Commission "to adopt a common strategy to bring an end to these practices." Companies from the Gulf like Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways have surged while many EU airlines have struggled.
The three largest U.S. airlines have claimed that the three Gulf carriers have received more than $40 billion in subsidies from their governments since 2004. They said that makes competition with them unfair because their costs are artificially low.
Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands and Sweden backed the Franco-German call at a meeting of EU transport ministers in Brussels Friday, the Franco-German statement said.
France and Germany said that Gulf carriers benefit from "major subventions and public guarantees," and that landing rights in Europe should only be granted to airlines in exchange for fair trade controls on the way companies operate.
They also want EU legislation revised so that fair competition can be legally enforced in the air transport sector.

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 17:00 GMT, 13 March 2015 |

in altro articolo viene portato un esempio concreto e completo di dati, riferito ad EU->India

For example, since 2008, QR, EY and EK's share of European Union (EU)-India bookings has grown from 18.6 percent to 35.0 percent, while U.S. and joint venture (JV) share has fallen from 49.4 percent to 28.6 percent. U.S. and JV carriers have been forced to reduce their EU-India capacity by more than 1,000 seats per day each way.
 
Su Forbes c'é un articolo che afferma come uno dei pomi della discordia sia il volo Emirates da Malpensa:

...
The flight from Milan’s Malpensa Airport (MXP) to New York’s Kennedy International Airport is at the heart of the battle between the big three U.S. carriers and the three Gulf carriers.
The flight is discussed in detail in the 55-page report, compiled by American, Delta and United, ...
Emirates’ entry into the Milan-New York has stimulated demand as fares have dropped. An Emirates spokesman said the route had 100,000 more bookings in Oct. 2014 than it had a year earlier.
Emirates’ entry into the MXP-JFK is part of a complicated story that includes decades of problems at Alitalia. Those problems have led to gaps in service that have been filled by other carriers.
In March 2012, Singapore Airlines applied to Italian authorities to operate a Singapore-MXP-JFK flight. Singapore did not follow up. In August 2012 Emirates filed a similar application, which was approved in March 2013.
Alitalia appealed the decision in June 2013. Alitalia was supported by Skyteam alliance partners Delta and AirFrance/KLM, which owns a stake in Alitalia.
But in December 2014, the Italian Supreme Court ruled in favor of the flight.

Ed anche

On a conference call with reporters on Tuesday, Emirates President Tim Clark said “The Italian government made an approach to us, asking us to operate out of Malpensa. We set about looking at the route and went on to do that.
Clark noted that fifth freedom flights “are not part of the main facet of our business model.” He said, “If we fly multiple fifth freedoms across the North Atlantic {the U.S. carriers} may have a concern or two, but we don’t do that.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...a-isnt-happy-about-emirates-milan-jfk-flight/
 
Altro articolo sull'argomento:

Need a little Rome in your life? A roundtrip nonstop from New York at the end of the month will cost you about $1,075. Yet a roundtrip flight to Milan from New York will cost only about $635.
Why is there a 40 percent fare differential between flights to Rome, Italy's government and tourism capital, and nonstops to Milan, Italy's fashion and finance capital?
The answer: competition.
On the New York-Rome run, only the Big Three U.S. carriers and hapless Alitalia offer flights. But the Milan route also has an aggressive upstart determined to upset the long-established order. Emirates launched nonstops between New York's Kennedy Airport and Milan's Malpensa Airport 18 months ago and coach fares have plummeted.
Now do you understand why the U.S. carriers have declared war on the Gulf airlines? The so-called Gulfies are proving to be tough, well-funded, bare-knuckles competitors. And after merging their way to control of the U.S. market, the financially fat and complacent U.S. carriers weren't expecting a Spanish Inquisition of competition from a distant corner of the world.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourn...challenge-persian-gulf-airlines.html?page=all
 
Insomma, si chiede che siano gli Stati a sbarazzarsi di quelli che offrono un prodotto migliore realizzato da un'azienda più sana. Logico.

Sbaglio o finora solo IAG non si è espressa sulla questione? Sarà mica per via del fatto che stanno raccogliendo i frutti dell'immenso lavoro fatto in UK e Spagna, mentre in Francia e Germania cominciano a sentire il fiato sul collo dopo aver campato di rendita per Dio solo sa quanto?
 
Perdonami EEA, apprezzo la tua determinazione nel difendere la tua causa, ma quelle riportate da Tim Clark (ed anche da Hogan ed Al-Baker) non sono solo parole, ma hanno fornito moltissimi numeri e fatti.
E' evidente che se la si vede dal punto di vista del consumatore finale e' difficile non dar ragione alle parole di Clark & Co.
E' anche vero che alla lunga le ME3 stanno colpendo duramente l'establishment USA-Europa ed il loro modo di fare business. Soprattutto negli USA dove i grossi profitti che stanno (finalmente) avendo le US3, dovranno essere perlomeno in parte reinvestiti pesantemente in innovazione ed upgrade del prodotto, che per molteplici ragioni e' ancora spesso molto al di sotto degli standard delle ME3.

Grazie AZ209 per la garbata e comprensiva tenuta della discussione.
Per ora ho visto solo smentite e non numeri contrari a quelli inseriti nel doc presentato della US3; detto questo se la si vede solo dal punto di vista del consumatore finale ci posso e ci devo stare, ne son conscio. Ma prego perche' te sia altrettanto conscio che non e' solo di questo di cui ci si sta preoccupando, anzi...
Ah, by the way, non e' la MIA causa, ma quella di milioni di persone e intere comunita;!
 
Insomma, si chiede che siano gli Stati a sbarazzarsi di quelli che offrono un prodotto migliore realizzato da un'azienda più sana. Logico.

Sbaglio o finora solo IAG non si è espressa sulla questione? Sarà mica per via del fatto che stanno raccogliendo i frutti dell'immenso lavoro fatto in UK e Spagna, mentre in Francia e Germania cominciano a sentire il fiato sul collo dopo aver campato di rendita per Dio solo sa quanto?

anche qui, non e' proprio questo il punto e non e' cosi' semplice come la dipingi! ;)
 
anche qui, non e' proprio questo il punto e non e' cosi' semplice come la dipingi! ;)

Lo so, riflettevo con leggerezza sugli inizi di questa che si prefigura essere una battaglia campale, circa la quale, però, comincio anche a farmi un'opinione mia.

Come al solito, non parteggio per partito preso, dunque aspetto di vedere un po' di dati anche dall'altra parte (non dubito arriveranno). Per il momento dico che da consumatore ho avuto il piacere di toccare con mano il prodotto americano, europeo, e mediorentale, in personale ordine di qualità ascendente, e da osservatore ho visto come l'impero EK abbia rivoluzionato il trasporto intercontinetale contemporaneo. Quando la soluzione migliore (prezzi, orari, durata, macchine, etc) che ti viene prospettata per andare dall'Australia al Brasile è via DXB, qualche domanda te la cominci infatti a porre.
 
È chiaro che i vettori del Golfo sono in mano ai loro governi e quindi chi se non loro ci devono mettere i soldi bisogna vedere se sono obbligati a restituirli o meno ma qui non credo si possano applicare le regole comunitarie quali gli aiuti di stato.
 
Lo so, riflettevo con leggerezza sugli inizi di questa che si prefigura essere una battaglia campale, circa la quale, però, comincio anche a farmi un'opinione mia.

Come al solito, non parteggio per partito preso, dunque aspetto di vedere un po' di dati anche dall'altra parte (non dubito arriveranno). Per il momento dico che da consumatore ho avuto il piacere di toccare con mano il prodotto americano, europeo, e mediorentale, in personale ordine di qualità ascendente, e da osservatore ho visto come l'impero EK abbia rivoluzionato il trasporto intercontinetale contemporaneo. Quando la soluzione migliore (prezzi, orari, durata, macchine, etc) che ti viene prospettata per andare dall'Australia al Brasile è via DXB, qualche domanda te la cominci infatti a porre.

Ma scusa Aless, perdona una domanda: tu pensi che se le US3 avessero i mezzi finanziari infiniti e illimitati come le ME3, non comprerebbero aerei nuovi di pacca? Non aprirebbero lounges sul roof di EWR , IAD o ATL con tanto di piscina, riscaldata in inverno? Non metterebbero poltrone lunghe 4 metri e larghe 2, con l' a/v dedicato che ti fa un bel massaggio plantare?
Torniamo al punto per favore, altrimenti rischiamo di farne una questione ( P E R I C O L O S I S S I M A) di cultura, se non di voler far profitti sulla pelle dei passeggeri, se non di incapacita' manageriale del mondo occidentale etc etc etc.... (anche perche' i managers delle ME3 non sono peraltro autoctoni).
E grazie al ciufolo che da cliente preferisco il meglio , ci mancherebbe! Ma di nuovo Aless, non e' questo il punto, che e' lapalissiano;il focus e' sulla distorsione di mercato che mette a repentaglio industria e milioni di posti di lavoro (tra diretto e indotto) e su questo, come osserva AZ209, la questione si fa interessante, con numeri e dati presentati NERO SU BIANCO dalle US3 e, per ora, solo smentite verbali da chi e' stato chiamato in causa...

Leggevo su un articolo che sara' in ogni caso impossibile andare a ficcare il naso nei conti statali degli emirati, per cui assisteremo molto probabilmente a un contro-report infarcito di dinieghi e numeri che nessuno potra' mai verificare; come d'altronde e' impossibile per quelli presentati dalle US3!
 
Ma scusa Aless, perdona una domanda: tu pensi che se le US3 avessero i mezzi finanziari infiniti e illimitati come le ME3, non comprerebbero aerei nuovi di pacca? Non aprirebbero lounges sul roof di EWR , IAD o ATL con tanto di piscina, riscaldata in inverno? Non metterebbero poltrone lunghe 4 metri e larghe 2, con l' a/v dedicato che ti fa un bel massaggio plantare?
A dire il vero negli ultimi 2-3 anni le US3 hanno fatto miliardi $ di utili, non bruscolini.
Non si e' visto in realta' un reinvestimento minimamente paragonabile. Per carita' cashing in e' legittimo per i loro shareholders.
Soltanto che stona un po questo attacco alle ME3 in momento d'oro da un punto di vista degli utili delle US3.