Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB e guarda all'Asia

[Seaking]

Rallentatosi il modello di integrazione tra vettori per il tramite delle 3 grandi alleanze (dove, in fondo, siamo amici ma ancor prima accaniti competitor), le JV emergono oggi come vero fenomeno aggregatore.

È di oggi la notizia del futuro ingresso di Finnair nella JV atlantica già in essere tra AA/BA/IB.

Aspettiamoci altre mosse del genere in futuro.

Fonte: atwonline


Finnair will join the American Airlines/British Airways/Iberia transatlantic joint venture (JV) at an unspecified date later this year.

The carrier, a oneworld member like the three JV partners, said it will add its AY code to selected JV flights between North America and the European Union, plus Norway and Switzerland. The AA, BA and IB codes will be added to Finnair’s daily Helsinki-New York JFK flights.

Including the Finnair flights, the JV—launched in October 2010—will operate up to 102 daily flights between North America and Europe.

“Our participation in this venture will ... open up Northern Europe to a whole new network of potential travelers,” Finnair senior VP-commercial Allister Paterson said in a statement.

 

[kenyaprince]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

grazie, mi sono sempre chiesto una cosa se riesci a spiegarla. Esattamente come vengono ripartiti i proventi in un code-share e in una JV ?

Esempio

FCO-CDG-JFK con metallo AZ sulla prima tratta e metallo AF (code share AZ sulla seconda) ?

 

[13900]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

Io so, per il Joint Business Agreement (BA/IB/AA e ora anche AY) che, su 100€ di soldi, qualcosa come 50 vanno a BA, 35 a AA e 15 ad IB (le % vere e proprie non le so, ma sono direttamente proporzionali alle frequenze dei voli). Mi pare che queste cifre coprano anche tutti i voli feeder/prosecuzioni. A naso credo che nel code sharing le revenues dei posti venduti, che ne so, da JAL su AZ vadano direttamente a JAL, meno una parte per i costi operativi.

 

[Seaking]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

grazie, mi sono sempre chiesto una cosa se riesci a spiegarla. Esattamente come vengono ripartiti i proventi in un code-share e in una JV ?

Esempio

FCO-CDG-JFK con metallo AZ sulla prima tratta e metallo AF (code share AZ sulla seconda) ?

Onestamente i dettagli non li conosco.
Quello che so è che nel computo dei costi/ricavi, rispetto al volo transatlantico, entrano anche i voli beyond e behind.

 

[Speedbird1]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

Io so, per il Joint Business Agreement (BA/IB/AA e ora anche AY) che, su 100€ di soldi, qualcosa come 50 vanno a BA, 35 a AA e 15 ad IB (le % vere e proprie non le so, ma sono direttamente proporzionali alle frequenze dei voli). Mi pare che queste cifre coprano anche tutti i voli feeder/prosecuzioni. A naso credo che nel code sharing le revenues dei posti venduti, che ne so, da JAL su AZ vadano direttamente a JAL, meno una parte per i costi operativi.

Mi sono occupato del JBA per due anni....Non è proprio cosi....

Il JBA BA/AA/IB è molto complesso....le percentuali di costi/ricavi sono direttamente proporzionali ad una serie di variabili, la più significativa delle quali è costituita dai posti offerti per tratta....Inoltre vi sono side agreements tra IB e BA dato che praticamente sono un unico carrier (sotto IAG)

Il JBA è composto da 15 Chapters....8 di "revenue" e 7 di "costs"....Il Chapter più significativo è Passenger Revenue...

Altro dato significativo, le tratte comprese nel JBA per BA costituiscono quasi il 40% dei ricavi dell'intero network BA....

Di più non posso.....

 

[aamilan]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

Finnair enters AA-BA-IB North Atlantic joint business - and plans to join BA-JL agreement

Finnair today joined the transatlantic joint business founded by American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia – and signaled its intention to join the joint business between British Airways and Japan Airlines between Europe and Japan.
From tomorrow, its Finnair customers flying to North America can book flights to dozens more North American cities on one single ticket. Customers American, BA and Iberia now also have better access to 13 cities in Finland and the rest of Europe, through Finnair’s Helsinki hub.
The Nordic airline said its addition to the North Atlantic joint business and its application for regulatory approval to join the BA-JAL agreement were “examples of Finnair pursuing tighter cooperation within the oneworld alliance to improve network connectivity and better serve the needs of intercontinental customers”.
American, BA and Iberia launched their joint business across the North Atlantic in October 2010. Now with Finnair’s involvement, the four-way deal enables customers to:
• Mix and match flights on all participating carriers to deliver the most convenient scheduling and best pricing.
• Smoother connections for onward destinations through coordinated schedules.
• Book transatlantic codeshare flights on all four carriers via any of the airlines’ websites.
• Better opportunities to earn and redeem frequent flyer points across the North Atlantic.
• Integrated customer support – online, through call centres and at the airport.
• Greater connectivity on all four airlines in case of disruption
Finnair’s AY code has now been placed on selected flights operated by American, BA and Iberia between North America and Europe, while its three partners have added their prefices to Finnair’s daily flights between New York and Helsinki.
With the addition of Finnair, the joint business now operates up to 102 daily round trips between North America and Europe, serving 42 gateways on either side of the Atlantic.
Finnair CEO Pekka Vauramo said: “The transatlantic joint business has been a big win for European consumers flying to America and vice versa, and now Finland will benefit too.”

 

[kenyaprince]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

Finnair guarda all’Asia

C’è sempre l’Asia nei progetti di Finnair, la compagnia finlandese che si appresta a festeggiare i suoi primi 90 anni – il prossimo novembre – lanciando due nuoverotte stagionali verso Xi’an (Cina) e Hanoi (Vietnam). «La crescita economica dell’Asia orientale spinge Finnair verso un incremento di frequenze e rotte, con l’obiettivo di raddoppiare il traffico Europa-Asia entro il 2020. Con le ultime due, sono arrivate a 13 le rotte asiatiche servite dal nostro hub di Helsinki», dice Paolo Zampieri, direttore commerciale del vettore finlandese in Italia.

Obiettivo Asia
«Attualmente copriamo più di 60 destinazioni in tutto il mondo, con circa 80 frequenze settimanali su mete in grande sviluppo comeTokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Pechino, Shanghai, Chongqing, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore, Delhi e Seoul. Il tutto grazie alla posizione strategica dell’aeroporto di Helsinki, che consente di andare e tornare dall’Asia in 24 ore». Proprio lo scalo finlandese è stato recentemente premiato con il Fast Travel Gold Award per aver adottato il programma IATA “Fast Travel”: un programma che consente di ridurre le code negli aeroporti e dare ai passeggeri maggiori opzioni di self-service durante il viaggio, grazie all’automazione che comprende check-in, consegna del bagaglio, controllo documenti, imbarco, prenotazioni e riconsegna.

Inoltre l’hub di Helsinki consente tempi di connessione molto brevi, fino a un minimo di 45 minuti: cosa molto apprezzata dalla clientela business, che anche dall’Italia rappresenta una buona fetta dei passeggeri.

In arrivo i primi A350
Complessivamente, proprio il mercato italiano sta regalando qualche soddisfazione al vettore finlandese, grazie a un +10-12% nei primi sei mesi del 2013, in netta controtendenza rispetto ai risultati del BSP. «In aumento ci sono sia i viaggi leisure che gli incentive - spiega Zampieri - Del resto, i numeri parlano da soli: i nostri collegamenti verso l’Asia sono triplicati negli ultimi 5 anni, mentre Finnair è ormai diventata il terzo vettore europeo nel traffico tra l’Europa e la Cina continentale e tra l’Europa e il Giappone».

Sul fronte del prodotto, a partire dal 2014 quasi tutti gli aeromobili a lungo raggio disporranno di sedili completamente reclinabili in Business Class. E per quanto riguarda la flotta, che è già una delle più giovani e maggiormente eco-efficienti di tutte le compagnie aeree europee, nel 2015 arriveranno i primi esemplari di Airbus A350, cui se ne aggiungeranno altri 15 nel corso degli anni successivi.

Tariffe flessibili
Dallo scorso novembre è in vigore il nuovo sistema tariffario della compagnia, che prevede cinque tipologie per offrire tariffe più flessibili e personalizzabili a seconda delle diverse esigenze; per una maggiore flessibilità è anche possibile scegliere tipi diversi di biglietto per i voli di ritorno. Il concetto, molto apprezzato anche dalle agenzie, è che pagando un po’ di più si ha diritto a una serie di benefici di solito non previsti dalla classe di prenotazione prescelta.
www.finnair.com/italia

- See more at: http://www.lagenziadiviaggi.it/noti...zia=171479&IDCategoria=1#sthash.j3QxgfZj.dpuf

 

[aamilan]

Re: Finnair entrerà nella JV atlantica con AA/BA/IB

Io so, per il Joint Business Agreement (BA/IB/AA e ora anche AY) che, su 100€ di soldi, qualcosa come 50 vanno a BA, 35 a AA e 15 ad IB (le % vere e proprie non le so, ma sono direttamente proporzionali alle frequenze dei voli). Mi pare che queste cifre coprano anche tutti i voli feeder/prosecuzioni. A naso credo che nel code sharing le revenues dei posti venduti, che ne so, da JAL su AZ vadano direttamente a JAL, meno una parte per i costi operativi.

infatti noi prendiamo l'1%

 

[kenyaprince]

Anche la ripartizione dei costi suppongo avvenga con lo stesso criterio

 

[aamilan]

si. da quello che so partecipiamo tutti ai costi e ai ricavi ovviamente ripartiti per il peso che ogni vettore ha su quelle rotte. se va in porto quella tra europa e giappone li le differenze saranno meno marcate

 

[kenyaprince]

si. da quello che so partecipiamo tutti ai costi e ai ricavi ovviamente ripartiti per il peso che ogni vettore ha su quelle rotte. se va in porto quella tra europa e giappone li le differenze saranno meno marcate

grazie

 

[13900]

si. da quello che so partecipiamo tutti ai costi e ai ricavi ovviamente ripartiti per il peso che ogni vettore ha su quelle rotte. se va in porto quella tra europa e giappone li le differenze saranno meno marcate

Quella per il Giappone dovrebbe essere una pratica non dico già fatta, ma almeno in discesa, no? E di sicuro molto più paritaria.

 

[aamilan]

Quella per il Giappone dovrebbe essere una pratica non dico già fatta, ma almeno in discesa, no? E di sicuro molto più paritaria.

direi che sono ottimisti ma aspettano il via libera.

 

[kenyaprince]

Vi aggiungo anche questo :


View attachment 4040

 

[kenyaprince]

Finnair applies to join JAL-BA joint venture, strengthening the oneworld grouping against Star's JV

Finnair's pending entry to the British Airways-Japan Airlines Europe-Japan joint venture will give a much needed boost to the oneworld-led JV, whose share of the Europe-Japan market will increase from 16% to 23.5%. The JV encompassed European connections from British Airways, but the large point-to-point nature of the London-Tokyo market as well as the backtracking involved at Heathrow provided the JV its strongest hold between Japan and theUK.
A similar Star Alliance-led Europe-Japan JV was anchored by All Nippon Airways and Lufthansa, accounting for a quarter of the market. The addition in 2012 of fellow Lufthansa Group carriers Austrian and SWISS has boosted the JV's share 32.5%. Beyond market share, the Star JV was more effective at offering connections around continental Europe.
Finnair's addition is also a tidy conclusion to the flirtation between Finnair and JAL, which in Jul-2013 launched its own Tokyo-Helsinki service and wanted to tap into Finnair's geographically convenient hub. The closer ties between Finnair and BA follow Finnair's addition into the trans-Atlantic JV and BA's increasing admiration for Finnair's Asian strategy. There may be more to come from this relationship.

Finnair to join British Airways and Japan Airlines in Europe-Japan JV

Finnair in Jul-2013 announced its intention to join fellow oneworld carriers British Airways and Japan Airlines in their Europe-Japan joint venture, which became effective in Sep-2012.
Finnair's addition will boost the oneworld JV's share of the Japan-Europe market in Jul-2013 from 16% to 23.5%, giving it greater weight against a similar Star Europe-Japan JV formed between ANA and Lufthansa and expanded in 2012 to include Lufthansa Group carriers Austrian and SWISS, which collectively has 32.5% of the market, most held by ANA and Lufthansa alone.
Traffic share (seats) between Japan and Europe: 01-Jul-2013 to 7-Jul-2013

Source: CAPA – Centre for Aviation & Innovata
See related report: All Nippon Airways adds Austrian & Swiss to JV, and eyes acquisitions, as Japan & France liberalise
Finnair has more Japanese capacity than British Airways

Despite being a "secondary" addition to the team, Finnair brings to the JV more capacity than that operated by British Airways, which in Jul-2013 flies daily to Tokyo Narita and five times weekly to Tokyo Haneda, both from London Heathrow with 777-200s. Finnair in contrast operates daily from Helsinki to each of Tokyo Narita, Osaka Kansai and Nagoya with A330s/A340s. Finnair's Japanese capacity is approximately double that of BA's.
Top 10 carriers between Europe and Japan ranked on seat capacity: 1-Jul-2013 to 7-Jul-2013

1	LH	Lufthansa
2	NH	All Nippon Airways
3	JL	Japan Airlines
4	AF	Air France
5	KL	KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
6	AY	Finnair
7	AZ	Alitalia
8	TK	Turkish Airlines
9	BA	British Airways
10	VS	Virgin Atlantic Airways

[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"]Rank[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #00529F, colspan: 2"]Airline[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"]Total Seats[/TH]

[TD="align: center"]19,964[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]19,768[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]17,606[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]16,086[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]13,918[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]11,648[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10,544[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8,540[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5,658[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4,424[/TD]

Source: CAPA - Centre for Aviation and Innovata
Finnair opens more of Europe to the JV; complementary capacity to British Airways

Comparing the capacity sizes of Finnair versus British Airways does not take into account the fact those are different types of capacity. British Airways' capacity has a higher concentration on point-to-point traffic than Finnair's, commensurate with Finnair's strategy to be a network carrier linking Europe with Asia. BA's point-to-point nature gives it higher yields, making its combined presence with JAL between Tokyo and London very attractive. Although European connections were mooted and included in the JV, in practice the JV was really about UK-Japan traffic.
Even if the two were to look at connections around Europe, BA's hub in the far western corner of Europe meant considerable backtracking was involved to reach continental Europe. That is not a concern in the Star JV, where European members Austrian, Lufthansa and SWISS have hubs on the continent, facilitating more efficient connections.
Map of Star Alliance Europe-Japan JV long-haul services: Jul-2012

Source: ANA
Finnair's focus on connecting traffic is complementary to the point-to-point focus of BA. Helsinki in fact is the nearest European hub to North Asia. A flight from Tokyo to Helsinki is some 1,200km shorter than into a Star hub in Frankfurt or Vienna. That efficiency helps off-set Finnair's slightly higher operating cost.
Helsinki's careful design to be an efficient hub means more effective connections are possible; the airport's minimum connecting time is about 35-40 minutes.
See related reports:

• Finnair to open new flight to Hanoi as part of next phase of Europe-Asia growth strategy
• Finnair is betting on Asian flights to underpin its growth

Finnair's European route map: Jul-2013

Source: JAL
Finnair allows the oneworld JV to tap into Japanese cities, breaking Tokyo-centricity

Finnair also brings considerable network benefits on the Japanese side. BA and JAL link Europe only to Tokyo's Haneda and Narita airports. In the Star JV in contrast, Lufthansa also flies to Europe from Osaka and Nagoya. Finnair flies to Osaka and Nagoya too, so its addition will open more one-stop city-pairs and reduce the need for domestic connections in Tokyo.
Of the 30 routes Innovata records between Japan and Europe, only 10 fly into a Japanese city other than Tokyo. Almost all of those 10 routes are outside the ranking of the 15 largest routes between Europe and Japan. Finnair's routes to Nagoya and Osaka Kansai are served daily, as are Lufthansa's.
SkyTeam is also active, but lacks a Japanese partner

While airlines have not focussed on Japanese cities other than Tokyo, KLM broke the trend with a three-weekly Amsterdam-Fukuoka service, introduced only in Oct-2012. That route is part of the AF-KLM Group's strategy of targeting secondary cities in Asia. The two do not have a joint venture in Japan owing to the lack of another long-haul Japanese carrier, but they have an impressive 20% market share despite the lack of feed. Prior to Finnair's addition to the BA-JAL JV, AF-KLM had a greater share of the Europe-Japan market.
Adding Alitalia, also a member of SkyTeam and with whom AF-KLM is flirting in regards to ownership, the three carriers have a 27% share of the market, more than BA-Finnair-JAL. (AF-KLM have already demonstrated their ability to make JVs work with China Eastern and China Southern in mainland China, a far bigger market with larger growth potential than Japan.)
Japan Airlines launches Tokyo-Helsinki 787 service

JAL in Jul-2013 launched daily Tokyo Narita-Helsinki service on its 787. The route had been announced in early 2012 for launch in 2013 but was delayed with the 787's grounding.
The route aims to increase JAL's connecting opportunities in Europe, with sample itineraries indicating the efficient nature of Helsinki as a hub.
Selected itineraries from Japan to Europe via Helsinki: Jul-2013

Source: JAL
IAG and Finnair – growing closer, complementing each other's services in the growth Chinese market

Shortly after JAL announced its Helsinki route it became apparent there were warm feelings at both JAL and Finnair about cooperating in Helsinki. Bringing Finnair into the BA-JAL JV brings benefits with few drawbacks. In Jul-2013 Finnair entered the trans-Atlantic joint venture with American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia. While there was familiarity with Finnair, there was also respect from the side of International Airlines Group, owner of British Airways andIberia, for Finnair's strategy and maximising its geographical asset.
At CAPA's Airlines in Transition forum in Dublin in Apr-2013 IAG CEO Willie Walsh commented on the strength of Finnair's strategy, and joked that he has the moving map turned off BA's Asia flights as otherwise passengers would see they are overflying Helsinki exactly and next time would take Finnair, not BA.
It may be early days, but IAG and Finnair are moving along a complementary path. Finnair is considerably smaller but with geography on its side for Asia, which BA lacks – as well as growth opportunities at Heathrow. BA is the only IAG brand in Asia, making it a smaller player in Europe-Asia traffic.
BA is meanwhile turning its attention to China, opening a London-Chengdu service, its first into a secondary Chinese city and the first of what will likely be a few more Chinese cities to come this decade. Finnair has launched in the secondary cities of Chongqing and Xi'an. Even if the two continue their growth, there will be more Chinese candidate cities than equipment or slots to serve them. Alliances are a delicate matter in China, and BA and Finnair will not be helped by their lack of a oneworld member Chinese carrier to advocate for them to the government.
The growth and partnership story is still young and changing, but BA and Finnair are increasingly finding themselves on a similar page. No doubt the Japan JV will further the relationship, and perhaps point the future direction.
Stronger growth to come from Japanese airlines, seeking new markets

New flights could emerge from the oneworld or Star JVs, but they are more likely to come from ANA or JAL, which are increasing their international focus as they see low-cost carriers and lower cost full-service airlines starting to occupy the short-haul space.
JAL's Helsinki route joins a number of new routes ANA and JAL have opened in recent times, including Boston, San Diego and San Jose.
And there is more to come: JAL in 2012 projected its international ASKs to grow 25% in FY2016 compared to 2011 while domestic would shrink 3%. And waiting in the wings is the even more revolutionary thought from ANA to purchase a foreign airline to also increase its international exposure.
JAL projected ASK growth based on 2011 baseline: 2012, 2013 and 2016

International	6%	13%	25%
Domestic	4%	4%	-3%
Total	5%	9%	13%

[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"][/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"]FY2012[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"]FY2013[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #00529F"]FY2016[/TH]

Source: JAL
Note: 2014 and 2015 data not supplied, includes codeshare. Ex-codeshare data not supplied
JAL Group fleet plan: 2011 to 2016

Source: JAL
Notes: Widebody: Boeing 777-300/777-200; Mid-sized: 787/767; Narrowbody: 737/MD90; RJ and others: 1 ERJ/CRJ/Q100/Q400
See related reports:

• Japan Airlines plans for future: more regional & long-haul flights as LCCs swallow short-haul market
• All Nippon Airways would invest in airlines as part of strategy to counter Japan's declining economy

As the Japanese carriers venture increasingly along this route and as the contact points between them and their European partners increase, so the potential for greater cooperation spreads like ripples on a pond. The immunised, closed, JVs offer some special opportunities for the respective airlines; although it is still fairly early days for these partnerships, they hold considerable promise.
And, for BA-Finnair, this new step along that direction would appear to put behind them their differences over Qatar Airways joining the oneworld alliance, which Finnair had previously opposed, fearing dilution of its Asia-Europe connecting role. A strengthened partnership between them will both be a positive development for the two carriers, it should also help BA to move along in using the oneworld links with Qatar Airways to offset the now-significant power ofEmirates and Etihad on the southern routes from Asia to Europe.

[/COLOR]