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Perche' hanno una flotta di WB ancora relativamente giovane (LH, 744 a parte in corso di sostituzione con gli A380) o per il momento gli ordini di nuovi aerei (77W per AF e BA e sempre 744-A380 a parte) sono sufficienti a coprire le necessita' del medio termine. In questo periodo sarebbe il momento giusto per ordinarli in modo da averli tra 5-6 anni, per sostiutire gli A330 e A340 piu' anziani. Vedremo cosa accade nei prossimi mesi.
RICK una cortesia: sai se tale aereo è stato proposto alle compagnie USA?
Sono sempre un po interdetto della scelta DELTA di non annunciare un grosso ordine di WB che vadano a sostituire la "grossa" flotta B767 che operano sul transatlantico. DL è cliente Boeing storico...ma ora che sta provando Airbus (eredità NW)...sai qualche gossip?
Per quanto i loro 767 siano strapagati e quindi stra ammortizzati, per quanto entro due anni avranno il flatbed....sarebbero da cambiare diciamo a partire dal 2015/2017. L'Ordine 787 e' per meno di 20 aerei....e quindi l'inserimento Airbus sarebbe...una per voi super![/QUOTE]

US Airways e United ne hanno ordinati 22 e 25 rispettivamente
 

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Ad AZ, se tutto andrà bene e sempre in teoria, arriveranno gli -800 che ha ordinato AP
APF, comunque dubito che se arriveranno, arriveranno tutti A350-800 come da ordine, sicuramente ci sarà un cambiemento almeno verso degli A350-900 per sostituire i B772, poi magari pensano anche a qualche A350-1000 se avranno necessità di coprire rotte ad elevato traffico.

Comunque la cosa è ancora in la nel tempo e non è detto che AZ prenda il contratto da APF.
 

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Cappero!!!!!
 

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Schedule for First A350 Delivery Slips Later into 2013
By: Bill O' Connor

November 14, 2010
Air Transport and Cargo Aircraft, Aerospace Industry


Airbus’s schedule for the A350 XWB has slipped to later in the second half of 2013, reflecting the company’s recognition that the transition from the design to manufacturing phase will prove more complex than originally expected. The caution is understandable in light of the well publicized manufacturing issues with the A380 program, and similarly with Boeing’s oft-delayed 787.

The outsourcing trend has complicated the job of building large aircraft, and the coordination of a multitude of contractors and suppliers has only added to the program’s complexity and managers’ headaches. Still, Airbus expects a relatively minor delay; original plans called for the A350 to enter service early in the second half of 2013. They now call for first delivery somewhat later in the year.

Work has started on the A350’s center wing box and upper and lower wing covers. Airbus recently announced the opening of an A350 landing-gear systems test facility at its Filton site in the UK. The new facility will assume responsibility for design, integration and certification of all Airbus aircraft landing gear, and will begin testing A350 landing gear midway through next year.
Airbus now holds firm orders for 573 A350s.

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Parte di un ordine Cina-Airbus di 102 aerei, 10 A350 e 10 A330 vanno a CA

DATE:18/11/10
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Air China emerges as customer for 10 A350s
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Air China has emerged as the Chinese customer behind an agreement to acquire 10 Airbus A350 aircraft, as well as 10 A330s.
The airline is to take delivery of the A350s in stages from 2018 to 2020.
Air China adds that it expects to introduce the A330 twin-jets between 2013 and 2015.
It has detailed its plans following the Chinese Government's signing of an agreement, earlier this month, covering acquisition of 102 Airbuses.
That agreement included 10 A350s but did not identify the carrier for which they were bound.
Air China has not stated the variant of A350 it plans to take, nor has it identified whether the A330s will be -200s or -300s.
It has given a value of just under $4.5 billion for the aircraft purchase, based on earlier list prices, but states that it has been granted "significant price concessions".
A350s are only available with Rolls-Royce Trent XWB powerplants. Air China has not given an engine selection for the A330s but its current A330 fleet is powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 700s
 

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A350 XWB longest fuselage panel successfully manufactured

Airbus partner, Spirit AeroSystems, has completed the curing of one of the panels that make up the longest section of the A350 XWB’s all carbon fibre fuselage. The 19.7 metre long, 77 square metre centre fuselage “crown” panel was cured at Spirit’s Kinston, North Carolina (USA) site. In the coming weeks, the panel will undergo trimming, drilling and non-destructive inspection.

This latest A350 XWB industrial milestone illustrates the sound progress being made as the first components for the first aircraft are being manufactured both at Airbus and Airbus’ partners’ sites around the globe. Another recent production achievement for the A350 XWB was the successful cure of the first forward fuselage section crown panel that took place in Nordenham (Germany) in September by Premium Aerotech.

Photos of the A350 XWB are available in high resolution in our press room:
www.airbus.com/pressroom

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Airbus Starts Fabricating First Fuselage Barrel for the A350 XWB

Airbus Starts Fabricating First Fuselage Barrel for the A350 XWB
By: Gregory Polek
December 7, 2010

Airbus has begun fabricating the first carbon fiber barrel for the A350 XWB fuselage at its Advanced Composites Center in Illescas, Spain, the company announced today. Airbus said it expects to finish the carbon fiber placement process used for producing the 18-foot-long fuselage barrel, known as section 19, “in the coming weeks.”
Although plans call for Airbus to make the majority of the A350 XWB fuselage from long carbon fiber panels, the company determined that a barrel-shaped structure works best for the tapered rear part of the fuselage.
The achievement follows the start of production of the first flyable lower wing cover for the A350 XWB on November 29 at Illescas. Other recent industrial firsts for the A350 XWB include the start of production of the upper wing cover at Stade, Germany, the start of assembly of the first center wing box and keel beam in Nantes, France. In the UK, Airbus opened its Landing Gear Systems Test Facility at its Filton site. Meanwhile, program partner Spirit Aerosystems has completed the first 65-foot-long crown panel for the center fuselage in Kinston, N.C. and Premium Aerotech successfully cured the crown panel for the forward fuselage section in Nordenham, Germany.

Link: http://www.ainonline.com/news/singl...first-fuselage-barrel-for-the-a350-xwb-27887/
 

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Airbus starts production of first fuselage barrel for the A350 XWB

Airbus starts production of first fuselage barrel for the A350 XWB

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Blagnac, 07 December 2010



Airbus has started making the first carbon fibre barrel for the A350 XWB fuselage at the company’s production plant in Illescas, Spain. The carbon fibre placement process used for producing the 5.5 metre long, 56 square metre fuselage barrel, known as section 19, will be completed in the coming weeks. (c) Airbus

Airbus has started making the first carbon fibre barrel for the A350 XWB fuselage at the company’s production plant in Illescas, Spain. The carbon fibre placement process used for producing the 5.5 metre long, 56 square metre fuselage barrel, known as section 19, will be completed in the coming weeks.

The majority of the A350 XWB fuselage is made from long carbon fibre panels which are easier to manufacture and to assemble than barrel sections. However for the rear part of the fuselage which is tapered, Airbus has selected a barrel as being the optimum structure.

Designed and manufactured with the right material and the right technology at the right place, the A350 XWB will shape the efficiency of medium-to-long haul airline operations from 2013 onwards.

Notes to editors:

This achievement follows the start of production at Illescas, Spain on 29th November 2010 of the first flyable lower wing cover for the A350 XWB. Other recent industrial firsts which demonstrate the good progress being made worldwide for the A350 XWB include the start of production of the upper wing cover at Stade, Germany, the assembly start of the first centre wing box in Nantes (France) and the production start of the keel beam also in Nantes. In the UK, the Landing Gear Systems Test Facility was opened at Airbus’ site at Filton. A350 XWB partners are also moving full steam ahead with their production. Recent highlights include the completion of the first 19.7 metre long crown panel for the centre fuselage at Sprit AeroSystems in Kinton, USA and the successful curing of the crown panel for the forward fuselage section at Premium Aerotech in Nordenham, Germany.

The A350 XWB Family consists of three passenger versions with true long-range capability of flying up to 8500nm/15,580km. In a typical three-class configuration, the A350-800 will offer 270 seats while the A350-900 and the A350-1000 will offer 314 and 350 seats respectively. All members of the family can be configured for higher density layouts of up to 440 seats. The baseline model, the A350-900’s design was frozen in December 2008 and is progressing towards entry-into-service in second half of 2013.

Link: http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/new...a98.70472f39-dd6f-4428-a792-91d82cb9791b.html
 

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DATE:19/01/11
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Airbus pushes A350 final assembly back to end-2011
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Airbus has indicated a schedule slip for A350 development, no longer identifying the third quarter of 2011 as the date for commencing final assembly, instead stating only that it will begin before the end of the year.
But the company is still pushing for a mid-2012 first flight, even as it maintains that this will need a nine-month assembly lead time.
The manufacturer had previously said it would begin final assembly in the third quarter of this year.
But during Airbus' annual briefing in Toulouse, chief operating officer Fabrice Bregier said the airframer would start assembly of the first A350's main components "around mid-year" and that it would be "ready for the final assembly line before the end of 2011".
Bregier says Airbus is still planning to allow around nine months for assembly and tests, and that the A350 would have undergone close to 18 months of tests by the time of its maiden flight - after which it would be subjected to another 12 months of flight testing.
Delivery of the first aircraft, he adds, will be in the second half of 2013. Late last year Airbus parent EADS had warned that the delivery would be pushed back from the early part of the second half, stating that the design-to-manufacturing transition was taking longer than expected.
Bregier says the airframer is "still very humble about this programme", that the manufacturer is making "reasonable progress" on the A350 but that the aircraft's development remains "very challenging".
He says processes which did "not perfectly fit on the A380" - in a range of areas, including system installation and customisation - are being changed on the A350.
"One lesson [learned from the A380] - when you're not ready, you don't move from one step to another," he says, adding that there should be no milestones before maturity.
Bregier says that hydraulic pressurisation of the 'iron bird' test-bed took place at the end of December, adding that it will be used to "debug all functions at system level".
Airbus executive vice-president for programmes Tom Williams says the airframer has needed to bring the research and technology aspect, as opposed to research and development, of the aircraft to "where it needs to be".
"We're keen not to repeat the A380 experience," he says, adding that Airbus has wanted to instil "more discipline". He gives the example of certain critical components being produced in-house in order to ensure "lots more transparency and visibility".
Bregier admitted to an EADS investor gathering in Toulouse last November that the previous caution over the service-entry schedule had been driven by a desire to avoid continuing enquiries as to precisely when, 2013, the twinjet would be delivered.
"In the next months we want to be able to have the detailed configuration of the aircraft, including [system] routings and bracket locations, included in the digital mock-up of the first aircraft," he said.
"Perhaps it's a bit too demanding but, if we do that, it will be much simpler, and I prefer to take a couple more months at this stage to avoid potentially big problems."
Airbus' single, integrated A350 digital mock-up has been part of a management strategy to increase information sharing, while manufacturing has been distributed to a reduced number of first-tier suppliers, each handling larger work packages.
Over the course of 2010 Airbus secured orders for 63 A350s, bringing its order backlog for the twinjet family to 583 from 36 customers.

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...hes-a350-final-assembly-back-to-end-2011.html
 

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Il pezzo più grande della fusoliera dell' A350-900
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...german-plant-produces-largest-a350-panel.html

German plant produces largest A350 panel
By David Kaminski-Morrow

German manufacturing operation Premium Aerotec has produced the largest carbonfibre fuselage panel for the Airbus A350 twinjet.

The aerostructure will be located on the starboard side of the aircraft and become part of the primary forward fuselage section 13-14.

Airbus says the panel is 93m² (1,000ft²) in area and was created at Premium Aerotec's Nordenham production facility. The section includes cut-outs for the second right-hand passenger door and lower-deck cargo door.

"[We] opted for large fuselage panels for the A350 design as they can be tailored in terms of their thickness according to the different loads required at each part of the airframe," it states.

"This approach enables Airbus to optimise the airframe overall which results in enhanced performance, greater robustness and less weight."

It will perform ultrasonic inspection, trimming and drilling of the carbonfibre panel over the next few days before it is mated with other forward fuselage components.

Nordenham has already cured the crown panel for the forward fuselage while the centre fuselage crown has been completed at the US-based Spirit AeroSystems site in Kinston.

A350 production progress has included initiation of manufacturing for lower wing covers and rear fuselage barrels at Illescas in Spain, as well as upper wing covers at another German plant in Stade. A French plant at Nantes is creating the centre wing box and keel beam, while a landing-gear test facility has opened in the UK at Filton.
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...s-resists-pressure-to-scale-up-a350-1000.html

Airbus resists pressure to scale up A350-1000
By David Kaminski-Morrow


Airbus is not intending to change the size of the A350-1000 as it heads towards definition freeze for the twinjet by the end of this year, although it has yet to confirm the extent to which it might adapt the aircraft to better compete with the Boeing 777-300ER.
Overall configuration of the A350-1000 was validated in November 2010, including the type's fuselage size. Sources close to the programme indicate that there are no plans to change the aircraft's basic dimensions. The A350 will typically seat 350 passengers against the 777-300ER's 370.
But there is still a lack of clarity as to whether Airbus is to tweak the thrust requirement for the type.
Industry sources familiar with the situation say that Airbus insists it is "not changing the size of the aircraft", but "recognises that an increased thrust may result in slightly higher fuel burn".
If Airbus changes the thrust, and this leads to a larger fan size on the powerplant, says the source, the aircraft would also "probably" need a re-optimised pylon.
Rolls-Royce, which is supplying the Trent XWB engine for the A350 family, has declined to comment beyond supporting a statement in March, by Airbus vice-president of marketing Andrew Shankland, that the Trent was sufficient to power the twinjet.
Airbus's efforts to keep definition freeze on schedule come as Emirates is looking at a possible switch of A350-900s to the -1000, although the Dubai-based carrier says that the type - as it stands - does not compare to the 777-300ER, and that Airbus should be considering a higher take-off weight and greater thrust.
Last year's validation of the A350-1000 airframe, says Airbus, means the aircraft "has the capability to meet the performance targets and guarantees".
Airbus adds that it is "progressing well" with the A350, with a technology insertion programme for the -1000, which was created with "the objective of further optimising the airframe and performance while keeping a high level of commonality".
Qatar Airways is the launch customer for the A350-1000, with service entry intended in 2015. The carrier has 20 on order, as does Emirates. Another 35 have been ordered by Etihad Airways and Asiana.
Consegnato il primo carrello dell' A350-900
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...a350-900-main-gear-delivered-for-testing.html

First A350-900 main gear delivered for testing
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Manufacturer Messier-Dowty has delivered the first Airbus A350-900 main landing-gear to the undercarriage test facility at the airframer's UK site at Filton.

The delivery follows the Filton plant's receiving the A350's first nose-gear last month, built by Liebherr.

Both will be mounted in a rig for integration testing which will begin towards the end of 2011, says Airbus.

"These tests will be carried out to demonstrate reliability and maturity, and will also provide evidence for certification, especially regarding the extension-retraction, braking and steering systems," it adds.

Each main landing-gear bogie for the -900 and -800 will comprise four wheels. The A350-1000's main gear will feature a six-wheel bogie, and will be manufactured by Goodrich.
 

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Airbus long-haul A350 project set for more delays: Cathay

Aggiornamento di oggi: secondo Cathay, l'A350XWB incorrerà in ulteriori ritardi.

Airbus long-haul A350 project set for more delays: Cathay
Airbus will have to further delay the roll-out of its key A350 long-haul twin-jet programme due to the need for technical improvements, the head of Hong Kong carrier Cathay pacific said Thursday.

His comments came as US aerospace giant Boeing announced it will carry out a flight test of its rival 787 Dreamliner in Japan in early July.

Airbus "has technical improvements to make (on the A350) and it will certainly be delayed," said Cathay CEO John Slosar.

The Hong Kong flag-carrier has ordered 30 A350s and expects the first to arrive "in late 2015."

Last November, Airbus sources said the European aircraft maker would reorganise its A350 programme to ensure that deliveries can begin before the end of 2013 despite pressures on the timetable.

That was already a delay from an earlier entry date of mid-2013.

Cathay boss Slosar told a press conference in Paris that, following delays with the super-jumbo A380, Airbus was "working hard" to minimise delays.

Louis Gallois chief executive officer at Airbus parent EADS, the European defence giant, confirmed on Thursday that the A350 calendar "remains challenging.

"Critical milestones have been reached on the A350, with difficulties to be overcome in the coming years to manage this risky programme," he told the group's annual general meeting in Amsterdam.
Link: http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/fre...roject-set-for-more-delays-cathay_152091.html
 

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DJ Airbus: Cathay Pacific CEO Was Misquoted On A350 Delay Remarks

Airbus nega i ritardi:

DJ Airbus: Cathay Pacific CEO Was Misquoted On A350 Delay Remarks
27/05/2011 17:41 | Cathay Pacific Airways
PARIS (Dow Jones)--Reported remarks by the chief executive of Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. (0293.HK) to the effect that Airbus's A350 XWB program is facing delays due to technical issues are untrue, the aircraft maker said Friday.

John Slosar, who met with journalists in Paris Thursday, was quoted in Friday's edition of Le Figaro as having said that Airbus "has technical improvements to make, and there will be delays." The A350 is a new wide-bodied, long-range aircraft that Airbus is targeting at the mid-sized airliner market, to compete with Boeing Co.'s (BA) 787 and 777.

"John Slosar has told us that he was misquoted and that he never said the A350 would be delayed," Airbus spokesman Stefan Schaffrath told Dow Jones Newswires.

"We are still aiming for entry into service for the A350 XWB in the second half of 2013," Schaffrath said.

The report in Le Figaro said Airbus has to work on "improvements" for the A350-800 and A350-1000, shorter and longer versions of the A350-900 that will be the first to be delivered. It said these planes could be delayed by six months, and that the industrial ramp-up might have an impact on deliveries in the early years.

Louis Gallois, chief executive of the European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co NV (EAD.FR), Airbus's parent company, said on Thursday that the A350 is the riskiest program for Airbus at the present time. Airbus officials have acknowledged that the company has used up all the gaps built into the development program schedule to allow for technical hitches.

-By David Pearson, Dow Jones Newswires; +33 1 4017 1751; david.pearson@dowjones.com
Link: http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=142552112222663
 
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Ritardo di 2 anni per A358 e A3510

Secondo un articolo apparso oggi ne La Tribune Airbus annuncerà questo weekend dei ritardi nel programma A350XWB.

In particolare l'A358 entrerà in servizio nel 2016 (invece del 2014) e l'A3510 nel Q2 di 2017 (invece del 2015).
Per l'A359 rimane confermata l'entrata in servizio entro la fine del 2013.

I ritardi sono dovuti, per l'A358, ad ulteriori ottimizzazione (ne deduco che non sarà più un semplice "shrink" dell'A359). L'A3510 invece verrà potenziato con nuovi reattori da 97000 lbs (prima 94000), che dobvrebbero permettere di inalzare l'MTOW ed estandere il raggio di 400 nm.

L'articolo si travo quì.

Airbus : report de deux ans pour deux versions de l'A350
Source : La Tribune.fr - 17/06/2011 | 08:00

Selon nos sources, la mise en service de l'A350-800 et l'A350-1000, est désormais prévue en 2016 et 2017. A la demande des compagnies du Golfe, la version 1000 est améliorée avec de nouveaux moteurs.
Le calendrier est très tendu. Mais la mise en service de la première version de l'Airbus A350, l'A350-900 (314 sièges), est toujours prévue au deuxième semestre 2013. En revanche, les deux autres versions de ce biréacteur long-courrier, l'A350-800 (270 sièges en configuration tri-classes) et l'A350-1000 (350 sièges), initialement prévues pour 2014 et 2015, sont, selon nos informations décalées de deux ans. Leur mise en service est désormais programmée en 2016 pour l'A350-800 et au deuxième trimestre 2017 pour l'A350-1000. La direction d'Airbus comptait faire une annonce ce week-end à la veille du salon aéronautique du Bourget.

L'A350-800, qui ne constitue pas la priorité d'Airbus malgré ses 140 commandes au compteur (contre 359 et 75 pour les versions 900 et 1000), sera retravaillé pour être amélioré. Sans que cela passe par de nouveaux moteurs comme cela va être le cas pour l'A350-1000. Rolls Royce, le seul motoriste présent sur le programme A350, prépare en effet un moteur Trent de 97.000 livres de poussée, contre 94.000 livres prévus jusqu'ici. "Cela devrait lui permettre d'augmenter son rayon d'action d'environ 400 miles nautiques (740 kilomètres)", précise un proche du dossier.

L'A350-1000 pourra donc franchir des distances de 15.556 kilomètres. Suffisamment pour faire gonfler le potentiel de routes à exploiter avec cet appareil, en particulier pour les compagnies du Golfe et d'Asie-Pacifique. D'ailleurs, toutes ces améliorations, qui devraient également permettre d'augmenter l'emport de marchandises en soutes, sont réalisées à la demande des compagnies du Golfe. Etihad, la compagnie d'Abou Dhabi (25 exemplaires), ces concurrentes de Dubai Emirates et du Qatar (20 exemplaires chacune), sont les seules compagnies clientes de l'A350-1000 aux côtés de la coréenne Asiana Airlines (10 avions commandés).

"Avec ces meilleures performances, nous comptons gagner des parts de marché à Boeing en Asie sur le marché des long-courriers de grande capacité", explique une source interne chez Airbus. Ces gains permettront en effet au constructeur européen d'augmenter ses chances de concurrencer le B777-300 de Boeing, le meilleur avion long-courrier aujourd'hui sur le marché, notamment dans sa version à très long rayon d'action (ER pour "extended range"). Surtout, avec ce nouveau calendrier, la mise en service de l'A350-1000 risque de coïncider peu ou prou avec celle d'une version améliorée du B777-300 ER. Equipé de nouveaux moteurs General Electric, ce dérivé, qui répond aujourd'hui au nom de code "9X", pourrait être lancé à l'horizon 2017-2018.

Fabrice Gliszczynski - 17/06/2011, 08:00
 

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Quindi Alitalia se vuole nuovi WB già dal 2014 dovrebbe rivolgersi da qualche altra parte. E' un'ipotesi piuttosto fasulla, però si potrbbe concretizzare.
 

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Speriamo che non si fermino al solo ordine di A358 , ma che acquistino anche A359 e A3510
 

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l'ordine fatto da ap risulta inadatto per Az che ha bisogno di 350/900
 

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Speriamo che non si fermino al solo ordine di A358 , ma che acquistino anche A359 e A3510
Ti dirò che l'A358 per AZ ha poco senso, direi che severrà dato seguito all'ordine per l'A350 saranno A350-900 o un mix di A350-900 e A350-1000, se non ricordo male l'ordine di APF è di 12 macchine potrebbero essere suddivise tipo 8 A350-900 e 4 A350-1000 probabilmente sostituendo i 10 B772.