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Lawmakers Want the Final Say on Air Force One Paint Job
By Marcus Weisgerber
June 4, 2019
Some U.S. lawmakers want the final say if President Trump decides to change Air Force One’s paint job from the blue-and-white livery that has adorned presidential planes for more than a half century.

Last year, Trump told CBS News that he wants to paint the new planes “red, white and blue, which I think is appropriate.”

But the House Armed Services seapower and projection forces subcommittee — in its review of the Pentagon’s 2020 budget request — has drafted legislation that would require the plane’s paint job to “comply with the criteria set forth in a report of the Boeing Company titled ‘‘Phase II Aircraft Livery and Paint Study Final Report’ as submitted to the Federal Government in April 2017.”

What’s in that report? Boeing declined to comment.

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Asked about it, a congressional staffer said, “There were some rumors some time back about proposed changes to the paint job on Air Force One. This language would prevent expenditures on those sorts of changes without Congressional approval.”

The proposed legislation also contains various clauses intended to prevent more expected price hikes in the effort to replace the two 1990s-era jetliners currently used for presidential travel. Initially projected to cost about $4 billion, the estimated price tag for the two planes, extensive modifications and new hangars currently stands around $5.3 billion. Still, Trump and the Air Force claim $1.4 billion in savings.

The subcommittee is led by Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn., who has long kept a close eye on efforts to upgrade and replace the presidential jets. Last year, Courtney questioned a $24 million no-bid contract given to Boeing to install new refrigerators on the current Air Force Ones. The Air Force eventually scrapped the refrigerator deal, which Courtney said “just didn’t pass the smell test.”

The congressional staffer said the subcommittee’s Air Force One legislation was “routine oversight of the purse strings, and ensuring that we’re exercising fiscal responsibility when it comes to an aircraft that’s already expensive to outfit in every scenario in the first place.”

Even before Trump moved into the White House, he had criticized the high price tag of replacing the pair of Boeing 747-200s that have served as Air Force One since 1990. In an effort to reduce the cost, the Air Force bought two 747-8s built for but never delivered to a Russian airline.

Last year, the Air Force awarded Boeing a $3.9 billion contract to convert those planes into customized flying White Houses. In March, the two 747-8s were flown from a storage airfield in Victorville, California, to a company modification factory in San Antonio, Texas.

The new Air Force One is expected to enter service in late 2024, so a decision about its paint job won’t be needed for a number of years. Planes are typically painted at the very end of the manufacturing process.

“This is just about ensuring that when we do make expenditures on these aircraft, there is some oversight to ensure that they’re being made for the right purposes and with the signoff of Congress,” the congressional aide said.

Because the new 747-8s are larger than the 747-200s they will replace, the Air Force must build a new secure hangar complex. In December, it awarded Clark Construction Group $298 million to build the new facility at Joint Base Andrews in the Maryland suburbs of Washington.

By Marcus Weisgerber // Marcus Weisgerber is the global business editor for Defense One, where he writes about the intersection of business and national security. He has been covering defense and national security issues for more than a decade, previously as Pentagon correspondent for Defense News and chief editor of Inside the Air Force. He has reported from Afghanistan, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia, and often travels with the defense secretary and other senior military officials.
June 4, 2019
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2019/06/lawmakers-want-final-say-air-force-one-paint-job/157488/
 

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Lawmakers Want the Final Say on Air Force One Paint Job
By Marcus Weisgerber
June 4, 2019
Some U.S. lawmakers want the final say if President Trump decides to change Air Force One’s paint job from the blue-and-white livery that has adorned presidential planes for more than a half century.

Last year, Trump told CBS News that he wants to paint the new planes “red, white and blue, which I think is appropriate.”

But the House Armed Services seapower and projection forces subcommittee — in its review of the Pentagon’s 2020 budget request — has drafted legislation that would require the plane’s paint job to “comply with the criteria set forth in a report of the Boeing Company titled ‘‘Phase II Aircraft Livery and Paint Study Final Report’ as submitted to the Federal Government in April 2017.”

What’s in that report? Boeing declined to comment.

Related: New Estimate Bumps Total Air Force One Cost By Nearly One-Third
Related: Air Force One 'Savings,' Explained
Related: Pentagon Spending $34M to Make Presidential Jets More Posh
Asked about it, a congressional staffer said, “There were some rumors some time back about proposed changes to the paint job on Air Force One. This language would prevent expenditures on those sorts of changes without Congressional approval.”

The proposed legislation also contains various clauses intended to prevent more expected price hikes in the effort to replace the two 1990s-era jetliners currently used for presidential travel. Initially projected to cost about $4 billion, the estimated price tag for the two planes, extensive modifications and new hangars currently stands around $5.3 billion. Still, Trump and the Air Force claim $1.4 billion in savings.

The subcommittee is led by Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn., who has long kept a close eye on efforts to upgrade and replace the presidential jets. Last year, Courtney questioned a $24 million no-bid contract given to Boeing to install new refrigerators on the current Air Force Ones. The Air Force eventually scrapped the refrigerator deal, which Courtney said “just didn’t pass the smell test.”

The congressional staffer said the subcommittee’s Air Force One legislation was “routine oversight of the purse strings, and ensuring that we’re exercising fiscal responsibility when it comes to an aircraft that’s already expensive to outfit in every scenario in the first place.”

Even before Trump moved into the White House, he had criticized the high price tag of replacing the pair of Boeing 747-200s that have served as Air Force One since 1990. In an effort to reduce the cost, the Air Force bought two 747-8s built for but never delivered to a Russian airline.

Last year, the Air Force awarded Boeing a $3.9 billion contract to convert those planes into customized flying White Houses. In March, the two 747-8s were flown from a storage airfield in Victorville, California, to a company modification factory in San Antonio, Texas.

The new Air Force One is expected to enter service in late 2024, so a decision about its paint job won’t be needed for a number of years. Planes are typically painted at the very end of the manufacturing process.

“This is just about ensuring that when we do make expenditures on these aircraft, there is some oversight to ensure that they’re being made for the right purposes and with the signoff of Congress,” the congressional aide said.

Because the new 747-8s are larger than the 747-200s they will replace, the Air Force must build a new secure hangar complex. In December, it awarded Clark Construction Group $298 million to build the new facility at Joint Base Andrews in the Maryland suburbs of Washington.

By Marcus Weisgerber // Marcus Weisgerber is the global business editor for Defense One, where he writes about the intersection of business and national security. He has been covering defense and national security issues for more than a decade, previously as Pentagon correspondent for Defense News and chief editor of Inside the Air Force. He has reported from Afghanistan, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia, and often travels with the defense secretary and other senior military officials.
June 4, 2019
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2019/06/lawmakers-want-final-say-air-force-one-paint-job/157488/
Bisogna che spediamo l'allegra combriccola a 5s, c'è materiale per loro. Dopo lo show messo in piedi a FCO potrebbero guadagnare una ribalta mondiale...
 

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Seeeee... Sarebbero capaci di dar ragione a Trump "i voti erano taroccati! I voti erano taroccati!".
E poi dovrebbero modificare la pronuncia in "ar fors an". Mmmmhhh... Me sa de no.
 

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Appunto! E Biden potrebbe prendersi quello che AMLO non vuole piu', con un grandissimo applauso da messicani e statunitensi alike. Qualche decennio fa', con i mezzi di comunicazione di quei tempi, poteva bastare un 707... Altra opzione sarebbe seguire le scelte dei giapponesi che hanno lasciato i loro 747 per due 777; in quel caso manco ci sarebbe la necessita' di costruire un nuovo hangar (assurdo...) a Andrews.
 

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Per quanto provi ribrezzo per Trump, per ciò che rappresenta e per chi, sapendo cos'è, lo vota... sulla questione AF1 devo dargli ragione. I due 748 sono stati presi come white tails, quindi nemmeno costruiti apposta (ed è un risparmio, anche se di sicuro Boeing chiederà il triplo rispetto alla norma per qualsiasi cosa) e, per dirla tutta, 747-8I > qualsiasi altro aereo. Nemmeno la livrea mi spiace, quella attuale fa un po' troppo Grande Puffo.
 

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E vai, dopo l'orrenda analoga minchiata fatta con lo US-101 tanti anni fa (derivato dall'ottimo elicottero AW-101 di Leonardo ed affossato dopo averci speso sopra carrettate di soldi per stravolgerne oltre ogni buon senso le specifiche tecniche), ecco qui un altro buco nell'acqua targato "POTUS air fleet"...
 

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Metto qui.

Probabilmente dopo essersi pentita di aver vinto il contratto per il nuovo Air Force One, Boeing si è ritirata dalla corsa per accaparrarsi un contratto da 13 miliardi di dollari per lo sviluppo della nuova postazione di comando mobile per lo Zio Sam.
Visto come marca male per Boeing Commercial, magari hanno deciso di non mandare in rosso anche le altre divisioni.

La Sierra Nevada Corporation si è aggiudicata l'appalto, sebbene non sia ancora conosciuta la piattaforma che verrà usata.
(Molto probabilmente sarà di nuovo un 747, che sarà di seconda mano per forza di cose e magari Boeing ci caverà qualche fattura.)

https://simpleflying.com/sierra-nevada-corporation-beats-boeing-us-air-force-doomsday-plane/

Sierra Nevada Corporation Beats Boeing On US Air Force Contract For New Doomsday Plane
Sierra Nevada has won the contract to build the replacement E-4B "Nightwatch" nuclear war-survivable flying emergency command center.
BY AARON SPRAY

Summary
  • The "Doomsday Plane," E-4B "Nightwatch," has served as a National Airborne Operations Center for emergencies since 1974.
  • Sierra Nevada Corp. won the $13 billion contract to build the Doomsday plane's replacement, SAOC, by 2036.
  • Boeing may be involved in modifying a Boeing 747-8 for the new Doomsday plane despite pulling out of the bidding.

The E-4B "Nightwatch" may look like Air Force One, but they are the United States National Airborne Operations Center for use in times of emergency. As they would likely be used in the event of a nuclear strike on the United States or something else of that nature, they have been nicknamed the "Doomsday Plane." However, these impressive examples of American power were first introduced in 1974 and are now getting long in the tooth. It has just been announced that Sierra Nevada Corp. has out-competed defense contractor giant Boeing to build the replacement.

Little is known about the Nightwatch replacement, partly because so much of the program is classified and partly because it is still in development. The $13 billion contract for the replacement is called the Survivable Airborne Operations Center (SAOC). The first is expected to be introduced in 2032, and the last will be completed by 2036. It is also not clear if the old aircraft will be replaced one-for-one.
It is not known what aircraft will be used to develop the SAOC. Sierra Nevada Corp. typically works with smaller aircraft modifications. However, according to Aviation Week, it is still likely to modify a Boeing 747-8i for the contract (suggesting Boeing may still be involved in some capacity). It is known that the Air Force wants an off-the-shelf aircraft, and it would need to be large. This suggests that the Boeing 747-8 would be a likely choice, despite the fact that Boeing's production line for the Jumbo jets ended in 2023.

Boeing 747-8s are also currently being modified as the Air Force One (VC-25B) replacements. However, it may have been this contract that encouraged Boeing to pull out of bidding for the contract. Boeing is taking a massive loss on building the Presidential Air Force One aircraft; Reuters reported Boeing refused to enter into a fixed-price deal and risk losing a large amount of money again.

The Air Force operates a large number of special mission aircraft types, and many are developed from small regular civilian aircraft.

The E-4B "Nightwatch"
The Air Force states the E-4B "Nightwatch" consists of four militarized Boeing 747-200 aircraft that have been extensively modified to serve as the National Airborne Operations Center of the National Military Command System for the President, his successors, the Joint Chiefs, and other important government members. They are intended for use in a national emergency and in the event that ground command and control centers are destroyed.
The Nightwatch has been designed to be a highly survivable platform so that the United States can still have a command center in a worst-case scenario. The aircraft includes a briefing room, an operations team work area, a command work area, a conference room, a communications area, and a rest area. They can seat up to 111 people and are operated by the 1st Airborne Command and Control Squadron at the Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.
 

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(Molto probabilmente sarà di nuovo un 747, che sarà di seconda mano per forza di cose e magari Boeing ci caverà qualche fattura.)
Mi auto-rispondo.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...s-us-aerospace-firm-sierra-nevada-2024-05-08/

Korean Air sells five jets to U.S. aerospace firm Sierra Nevada
May 8, 202411:46 AM GMT+2
by Lisa Barrington

SEOUL, May 8 (Reuters) - Korean Air (003490.KS) will sell five of its planes to U.S. aerospace firm Sierra Nevada Corporation, the airline said in an exchange filing on Wednesday.
Sierra Nevada recently won a $13 billion U.S. Air Force contract to develop a successor to the E-4B Nightwatch, known as the Doomsday plane due to its ability to survive a nuclear war and act as a command and control centre during emergencies.
Sierra Nevada did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Korean Air planes being sold are four-engined Boeing 747-8s, a source familiar with the matter said.

The four current E-4 planes, which have been in service since the 1970s, are modified Boeing 747-200s.

The sale, valued at 918 billion Korean won ($674 million), is in line with Korean Air's medium to long-term plan to dispose of older aircraft and replace them with newer generation ones, the Korean Air filing said.

Korean Air will sell the planes in September 2025, the filing said.
 
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