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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    "United says it will allow passengers to avoid 737 Max flights"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/04/b...ers/index.html

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Piu' che OT e' un allargamento del discorso ma non sapevo dove postarlo, eventualmente cancelliamo...

    Tim Clark si e' molto lamentato pubblicamente della qualita' e affidabilita' del materiale che i produttori in generale stanno fornendo ultimamente, al di la delle questioni di sicurezza:

    https://simpleflying.com/emirates-cr...boeing-airbus/

    https://www.ft.com/content/1a2e312c-...4-b5ded7a7fe3f

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Operazione trasparenza in casa Boeing.

    A former Boeing official who played a key role in the development of the 737 MAX has refused to provide documents sought by federal prosecutors investigating two fatal crashes of the jetliner, citing his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to a person familiar with the matter.
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...nt-protection/

  4. #1054

    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Nel frattempo...

    European aviation safety agency sets strict demands for Boeing 737 MAX return to flight
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...urn-to-flight/

    Europe’s aviation safety agency, which is conducting its own independent review of Boeing’s grounded 737 MAX, is not satisfied with a key detail of Boeing’s fix to the jet. It wants Boeing to do more to improve the integrity of the sensors that failed on the two fatal crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia, killing 346 people.

    And it’s demanding that Boeing demonstrate in flight tests the stability of the MAX during extreme maneuvers, not only with Boeing’s newly updated flight-control system but also with that system switched off.

    Although Boeing has updated MCAS so that it now takes input from both Angle of Attack sensors on the MAX instead of only one, and won’t operate if they disagree, Ky (Patrick Ky, executive director of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency) indicated EASA finds this insufficient.

    And EASA wants stringent flight tests that prove the MAX’s safety with or without MCAS.

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Se l’autorità europea mantiene la schiena dritta, Per me la cosa prende una pessima piega per Boeing, e il MAX potrebbe magari tornare a volare solo in America e forse America Latina. Con questi chiari di luna tra usa e Cina non credo proprio che in Asia si facciano rifilare il pacco da Boeing.
    Tutto sta a vedere se in usa iniziano a minacciare ritorsioni verso EU in qualche modo, magari iniziando a cercare qualche magagna sugli airbus, e si sa che chi cerca qualcosa forse lo trova, pure senza incidenti di mezzo. O magari si aumenta direttamente il livello di scontro sul piano commerciale in generale, tanto il pannocchia è già sul pezzo.

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Fa benissimo l'EASA, il 737 MAX prima di tornare a volare deve dare tutte le garanzie di affidabilità e non mi pare che per quanto letto sopra ci siamo vicini
    FCO-PSA-FLO-GOA-BLQ-MXP-BGY-REG-CTA-MIR-TNR-NOS-TLE-AUH-DXB-DOH-CMB-BKK-NRT-KBP-BBU-BUD-PRG-BTS-ZRH-MUC-TXL-SXF-LBC-RIX-TLL-VNO-KRK-AMS-CDG-STN-LGW-LHR-LCY-MAD-LIS-OPO-ATH-RHO-PAS-HAV-SCU-LIM-CUZ-AQP-NZA-LPB-NAT-SSA-IOS-GIG

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    EI-GFY decollato da CAI. È sopra il Mediterraneo ora direzione nord

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

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    EI-GFY decollato da CAI. È sopra il Mediterraneo ora direzione nord
    Era fermo al Cairo da Marzo
    On ne voit bien qu’avec le cœur. L’essentiel est invisible pour les yeux (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry)

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Durante tutto il volo è sempre stato sotto i 6.000 metri di quota
    There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Atterrato a Malpensa

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    On ne voit bien qu’avec le cœur. L’essentiel est invisible pour les yeux (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry)

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Quindi si è fatto tutta la traversata con flaps 1 (che inibisce il MCAs?) mettendoci 1he 20 più di un volo normale?
    La foto è copyright Leonardo Barberi in persona!

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

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    Quindi si è fatto tutta la traversata con flaps 1 (che inibisce il MCAs?) mettendoci 1he 20 più di un volo normale?
    La foto è copyright Leonardo Barberi in persona!
    Scusa la domanda stupida: è stato questo a influire sulla durata o la velocità mas di 444 chilometri orari?

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Problemi anche sull’A320 sul centro di gravità. E Lufthansa deve bloccare l’ultima fila degli A320 Neo. Il problema principale è stato l’aggiunta di una fila in più e lo spostamento delle aft toilette nel Galley posteriore.

    As we all know, nowadays airlines do everything they can to squeeze as many seats as possible onto planes, especially when we’re talking about short haul configured aircraft of European airlines.

    They’ve been able to make these planes more “efficient” by reducing legroom, making the seats thinner, and eliminating as much galley and bathroom space as possible.

    Well, an airline is now facing a situation where they’re being forced to block a row of seats on a very efficient plane for a surprising reason.

    Lufthansa’s A320neo

    The A320neo is the most fuel efficient version of the A320, with the “neo” designation standing for “new engine option.” Lufthansa has quite a few of these planes in their fleet. Initially they had “only” 180 seats of these planes, but they’ve been able to squeeze 186 seats onto these planes. Woot, woot, well done, Lufthansa!



    A320neo Center Of Gravity Issues

    While the airline might be proud of how many seats they’ve squeezed onto the plane, Simple Flying is reporting that Lufthansa is now blocking the last row of seats on A320neos due to center of gravity concerns. Could a 150,000 pound plane really be thrown off by passengers sitting in the last row? Yes and no.

    We all know about the issues that the 737 MAX has had, and while not quite as serious, some issues have also been identified with the A320neo.

    The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has discovered a problem with the center of gravity of the A320neo. Essentially there’s a very narrow set of circumstances under which the A320neo’s elevator and aileron computer may not correctly compensate for the situation the plane is facing.


    It seems that the most common situation here is when a plane is landing, and if it has to perform a go around. In these situations the elevator and aileron computer should compensate for the center of gravity being slightly off. But it has been discovered that with a center of gravity towards the rear of the aircraft, the computer may not respond correctly.

    Now, it’s worth knowing that this has never been encountered during operations, but rather was discovered during analysis and laboratory testing.

    Still, the EASA has issued an airworthiness directive limiting the aft CG, which is below the previous limit.

    Why Is This Specifically Impacting Lufthansa’s A320neos?

    Interestingly this issue only impacts Lufthansa A320neo aircraft with the new Space Flex cabins. These planes feature an extra row of seats, and the way they’re able to squeeze in those extra seats is by more efficiently using every part of the aircraft.

    For example, the bathrooms are at the very back of the plane behind the galley, using space that previously wasn’t used. Clearly this moves the center of gravity of the plane back a bit.

    Bottom Line

    Sometimes when you’re flying a turboprop or small regional jet they’ll ask you to move around for weight & balance, though you wouldn’t expect a row of seats would have to be blocked on an A320.

    It would appear that Lufthansa will keep this seat blocking in place for the foreseeable future, and not actually reconfigure any planes. It’s expected that a software fix will be available sometime next year that fixes this.

    Interesting stuff, eh?





    https://onemileatatime.com/lufthansa...yZiqCMlWbkqNJc

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    A quanto mi risulta i NEO di Lufthansa sono configurati a 180 e non a 186.


    Quote Originariamente inviato da alitaliaboy Visualizza il messaggio
    Problemi anche sull’A320 sul centro di gravità. E Lufthansa deve bloccare l’ultima fila degli A320 Neo. Il problema principale è stato l’aggiunta di una fila in più e lo spostamento delle aft toilette nel Galley posteriore.

    As we all know, nowadays airlines do everything they can to squeeze as many seats as possible onto planes, especially when we’re talking about short haul configured aircraft of European airlines.

    They’ve been able to make these planes more “efficient” by reducing legroom, making the seats thinner, and eliminating as much galley and bathroom space as possible.

    Well, an airline is now facing a situation where they’re being forced to block a row of seats on a very efficient plane for a surprising reason.

    Lufthansa’s A320neo

    The A320neo is the most fuel efficient version of the A320, with the “neo” designation standing for “new engine option.” Lufthansa has quite a few of these planes in their fleet. Initially they had “only” 180 seats of these planes, but they’ve been able to squeeze 186 seats onto these planes. Woot, woot, well done, Lufthansa!



    A320neo Center Of Gravity Issues

    While the airline might be proud of how many seats they’ve squeezed onto the plane, Simple Flying is reporting that Lufthansa is now blocking the last row of seats on A320neos due to center of gravity concerns. Could a 150,000 pound plane really be thrown off by passengers sitting in the last row? Yes and no.

    We all know about the issues that the 737 MAX has had, and while not quite as serious, some issues have also been identified with the A320neo.

    The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has discovered a problem with the center of gravity of the A320neo. Essentially there’s a very narrow set of circumstances under which the A320neo’s elevator and aileron computer may not correctly compensate for the situation the plane is facing.


    It seems that the most common situation here is when a plane is landing, and if it has to perform a go around. In these situations the elevator and aileron computer should compensate for the center of gravity being slightly off. But it has been discovered that with a center of gravity towards the rear of the aircraft, the computer may not respond correctly.

    Now, it’s worth knowing that this has never been encountered during operations, but rather was discovered during analysis and laboratory testing.

    Still, the EASA has issued an airworthiness directive limiting the aft CG, which is below the previous limit.

    Why Is This Specifically Impacting Lufthansa’s A320neos?

    Interestingly this issue only impacts Lufthansa A320neo aircraft with the new Space Flex cabins. These planes feature an extra row of seats, and the way they’re able to squeeze in those extra seats is by more efficiently using every part of the aircraft.

    For example, the bathrooms are at the very back of the plane behind the galley, using space that previously wasn’t used. Clearly this moves the center of gravity of the plane back a bit.

    Bottom Line

    Sometimes when you’re flying a turboprop or small regional jet they’ll ask you to move around for weight & balance, though you wouldn’t expect a row of seats would have to be blocked on an A320.

    It would appear that Lufthansa will keep this seat blocking in place for the foreseeable future, and not actually reconfigure any planes. It’s expected that a software fix will be available sometime next year that fixes this.

    Interesting stuff, eh?





    https://onemileatatime.com/lufthansa...yZiqCMlWbkqNJc

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    FAA chief to meet with Boeing officials, test 737 MAX simulator
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) chief Stephen Dickson plans to fly to Seattle this week to fly “newly configured” Boeing 737 MAX software in a simulator and will visit with Boeing (BA.N) officials, the agency said Monday.
    Boeing plans to revise the 737 MAX software to take input from both angle-of-attack sensors in the MCAS anti-stall system linked to two deadly crashes that led to a global grounding of the plane in March. But it is not clear when it will conduct a key certification test flight, a step needed before the FAA can return the plane to service. The FAA confirmed that Dickson, who took over as administrator in mid-August, has no firm timeline for the grounded 737 MAX to resume flights or when Boeing will turn over final documentation. The FAA said Dickson also plans to visit with the FAA aircraft certification team in Seattle. Separately, a spokeswoman for Representative Peter DeFazio, who chairs the House Transportation Committee, confirmed that Boeing had declined his invitation to testify at an upcoming House hearing. “Boeing is working diligently and transparently with committees in both the House (of Representatives) and the Senate to ensure that proper information is being shared and we will continue to do so,” the company said in an e-mailed statement. Boeing’s board is expected to consider changes proposed by a board committee later this week, people briefed on the matter said. Reuters reported in August that the committee review would find the company needs to reorganize its engineering reporting lines company-wide and ensure higher ranking officials, including its CEO, get faster feedback about potential safety concerns from lower levels of the company. The changes are intended to boost the transparency of engineering decisions and accelerate efforts to share safety information as widely and swiftly as possible across Boeing’s global businesses and factories, Reuters reported.
    Boeing has said it plans to conduct a certification test flight in the “September time frame” but Boeing Chief Executive Dennis Muilenburg did not give a specific date when asked last week. Federal prosecutors aided by the FBI, the Department of Transportation’s inspector general and several blue-ribbon panels are investigating the 737 MAX as well as how the FAA certifies new aircraft. Major U.S. airlines have canceled flights into December as a result of the MAX grounding, including American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O) and United Airlines (UAL.O), while Southwest Airlines Co (LUV.N) has canceled flights into early January.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1W12TM

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    FAA chief says he won’t certify the Boeing 737 Max until he flies the plane himself


    • FAA Administrator Steve Dickson’s decision to fly the Max before giving it final approval for commercial service is a new development
    • Dickson’s comments come on the eve of his visit to Boeing facilities outside Seattle.
    • The FAA administrator will meet with Boeing executives and be briefed on software updates to the 737 Max flight control system.


    Federal Aviation Administrator Steve Dickson says he won’t allow the Boeing 737 Max jets to return to the skies for service until he personally flies the plane himself.
    “I’m the final signoff authority in the U.S., and I’m not going to sign off on the aircraft until I would fly it myself,” Dickson told NBC News during an interview in Las Vegas.

    NBC Correspondent Tom Costello pressed Dickson, a former pilot who is licensed to fly the 737, if he will actually pilot the plane on a short flight before officially approving the Max for commercial operation. “I will fly the Max,” said Dickson.

    Dickson’s comments come on the eve of his visit to Boeing facilities outside Seattle. While there, Dickson will meet with Boeing executives and be briefed on software updates to the 737 Max flight control system. He will also climb into a simulator and test out the changes Boeing engineers have made to the Max.
    Earlier this week, in his first interview since taking over the FAA, Dickson told CNBC, “I can guarantee you that the airplane will not be flying again until I’m satisfied that it’s the safest thing out there.”
    Dickson’s decision to fly the Max before giving it final approval for commercial service is a new development. The official process calls for Boeing to file for recertification after a test flight that includes one pilot from Boeing and one pilot from the FAA.
    During that recertification flight, the crew will put the plane through a checklist of maneuvers to see how the plane handles those situations. After the flight, flight engineers from Boeing and the FAA will review the results. If those results meet the targets Boeing and the FAA agreed to in advance, the company will then file for recertification.

    Because Dickson is not a test pilot, he will not be in the cockpit during the Max recertification flight. When Dickson would fly the plane has not yet been determined.
    “We will work to meet the administrator’s requests and we continue to support global regulators as we work to safely return the aircraft to service,” said Chaz Bickers, a spokesman for Boeing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/18/faa-...e-himself.html

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Boeing rejected 737 MAX safety upgrades before fatal crashes, whistleblower says

    Seven weeks after the second fatal crash of a 737 MAX in March, a Boeing engineer submitted a scathing internal ethics complaint alleging that management — determined to keep down costs for airline customers — had blocked significant safety improvements during the jet’s development.

    The ethics charge, filed by 33-year-old engineer Curtis Ewbank, whose job involved studying past crashes and using that information to make new planes safer, describes how around 2014 his group presented to managers and senior executives a proposal to add various safety upgrades to the MAX.

    The complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by The Seattle Times, suggests that one of the proposed systems could have potentially prevented the crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia that killed 346 people. Three of Ewbank’s former colleagues interviewed for this story concurred.

    The details revealed in the ethics complaint raise new questions about the culture at Boeing and whether the long-held imperative that safety must be the overarching priority was compromised on the MAX by business considerations and management’s focus on schedule and cost.

    Managers twice rejected adding the new system on the basis of “cost and potential (pilot) training impact,” the complaint states. It was then raised a third time in a meeting with 737 MAX chief project engineer, Michael Teal, who cited the same objections as he killed the proposal.

    It was not directly related to the flight-control system — the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) — that contributed to both crashes. But it would have detected the false angle of attack signal that initiated events in both accidents, and so potentially could have stopped MCAS from activating and repeatedly pushing down the nose of each jet.

    But installing it in the MAX would likely have meant 737 pilots needed extra training in flight simulators. Running thousands of pilots through simulator sessions would have delayed the jet’s entry into service and added substantial costs for Boeing’s airline customers, damaging the MAX’s competitive edge against the rival Airbus A320neo.

    Ewbank’s complaint goes further than the decision not to install this one new system. He describes management as “more concerned with cost and schedule than safety and quality.” And he alleges that in one instance Boeing hid inflight safety incident data from the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).

    As first reported in The Seattle Times, Boeing did an inadequate system safety assessment that missed flaws in the design of MCAS that were central to the two MAX disasters. And Boeing engineers were under pressure to limit safety testing to certify the MAX. These fresh allegations from inside Boeing indicate that the problems with jetmaker’s safety culture may go deeper than MCAS.

    Prosegue sul sito
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ted-over-cost/

  19. #1069

    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Boeing pushed FAA to relax 737 MAX certification requirements for crew alerts
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...r-crew-alerts/

    Sono sempre più sconcertanti i retroscena che continuano ad uscire sull'ambiente interno di Boeing e sul rapporto di subalternità della FAA. Qui si hanno esplicitamente le prove che Boeing dice alla FAA che il profitto è prioritario sulla sicurezza e la FAA acconsente. Mi auguro, senza esserne certo, che la EASA si prepari alla più scrupolosa verifica di sicurezza mai effettuata nella storia prima di riabilitare il 737 MAX. Mi auguro anche, con ancora più dubbi, che il 'sistema' statunitense ritrovi almeno una parte della rettitudine perduta e che i vertici di Boeing e FAA vengano condannati in modo esemplare a seguito della inchiesta federale che si è aperta.

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Boeing pushed FAA to relax 737 MAX certification requirements for crew alerts

    I titoli dei giornali tendono a riassumere sinteticamente, ed il Seattle Times ovviamente si adegua.
    Ho trovato il testo ben scritto e ben documentato; tuttavia non è certo possibile dedurre, neanche lontanamente, quale sia , presso FAA, la procedura di certificazione delle varianti dei velivoli.

    La valutazione sui costi/benefici può sembrare una pratica cinica, ma è l’unico modo per poter dedurre se una modifica è veramente utile . Si è tutti d’accordo sul fatto che un aereo potrebbe essere costruito con la medesima robustezza di un carro armato, ma ciò renderebbe il costo del biglietto così elevato da costringere il passeggero medio ad utilizzare l’auto o altri mezzi meno sicuri dell’aereo, con i conseguenti valori di costi (= n. di morti x costo di ogni morte) ben superiori ai benefici potenzialmente introdotti dalla modifica.

    Le medesime valutazioni vengono sempre fatte dagli enti certificatori (EASA, FAA, etc) in occasione di una nuova variante di un prodotto (motore o aereo) , e sono certo che EASA ha applicato la stessa metodologia nel passare da un modello ad una sua evoluzione più recente.
    E’ comprensibile che se ad ogni nuova versione fosse necessario ricertificare l’aereo in accordo ai nuovi requisiti, ebbene, i costi sarebbero così elevati (per la comunità, e non solo per il costruttore) da scoraggiare ed impedire ogni seppur piccola miglioria.

    La ricertificazione di un MAX per inserire un EICAS simile a quello del 767 avrebbe probabilmente impedito, anche a me, di poter utilizzare in futuro, come passeggero tale nuovo aereo, a causa dei probabili costi del biglietto esageratamente elevati.

    Per quanto sono a conoscenza fino ad ora , trovo discutibile il progetto del sistema MCAS, ma sono consapevole di conoscere solo una piccola frazione di quanto emergerà dalla inchiesta -sicuramente seria- della NTSB, per cui aspetto a farmi un’idea completa.

    Di sicuro , non mi stupisce il concetto di delega dei poteri di approvazione dalla autorità al costruttore. Anche in questo caso , se un ente certificatore dovesse rivedere tutto quanto in autonomia, avremmo bisogno di decuplicare gli ispettori e triplicare i tempi : anche in questo caso i costi per la comunità sarebbero proibitivi.

    Non mi sfugge poi il fatto che in Italia/Europa/Mondo la procedura di delega all’interno delle compagnie aeree è ormai in uso da decenni e ben regolamentata; basta pensare alle modalità con cui si raggiunge la qualifica di Comandante, oppure al recurrent al simulatore ; tutte attività praticate all’interno della compagnia aerea , la cui sorveglianza da parte dell’autorità si limita alla approvazione della procedura. Le compagnie aeree sono dotate di TRI ed anche di TRE, che non sono altro che dipendenti che ‘istruiscono’ ed ‘approvano’ altri dipendenti, con tutte le possibili e probabili anomalie che ne potrebbero scaturire -ognuno di noi ha le sue horror stories su questo argomento ! E chissà se questa pratica di istruzione/approvazione interna non possa essere stata una concausa negli incidenti del MAX !

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Quote Originariamente inviato da lucavr Visualizza il messaggio
    Boeing pushed FAA to relax 737 MAX certification requirements for crew alerts
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...r-crew-alerts/

    Sono sempre più sconcertanti i retroscena che continuano ad uscire sull'ambiente interno di Boeing e sul rapporto di subalternità della FAA. Qui si hanno esplicitamente le prove che Boeing dice alla FAA che il profitto è prioritario sulla sicurezza e la FAA acconsente. Mi auguro, senza esserne certo, che la EASA si prepari alla più scrupolosa verifica di sicurezza mai effettuata nella storia prima di riabilitare il 737 MAX. Mi auguro anche, con ancora più dubbi, che il 'sistema' statunitense ritrovi almeno una parte della rettitudine perduta e che i vertici di Boeing e FAA vengano condannati in modo esemplare a seguito della inchiesta federale che si è aperta.
    Tipo Maurizio Mosca insomma:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4c_RjEmUjQ4

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    Sempre di grande spessore i tuoi post
    GRAZIE!

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    😂😂😂

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    Predefinito Re: 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian si schianta subito dopo il decollo da Addis Abeba

    Ma vi siete fatti un idea se questo aereo, una volta che tornera' a volare, restera' comunque azzoppato per sempre?

    Oppure tra qualche anno la vicenda sara' rientrata e potremo averne nugoli che oscurano il cielo, come sarebbe stato senza questo problemino?

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